45acp deer load

[milsurpguy]

Looks like I need to try some enforcer.
230gr bullets at 1,000 fps with standard P.
Just uses 13 to 14gr of powder....
Bet it makes a cataclysmic muzzel flash out of a 5 inch gun.
Getting nearly supersonic 230gr bullets out of a rifle should be easy.
Pic from shooting times article.

Or accurate 4100, as its supposed to be really close too enforcer.

 

[NeroM]

Have an older Sierra manual, which specifically lists loads for the Marlin carbine. I stupidly traded mine for another passion at the time. Sierra suggest you may not get a velocity boost from the extra barrel. Have used the Underwood/buffaloBore 255 yr cast load from a 6" 1911- pretty effective. Similar ballistics to original 45 Colt load.

 

[milsurpguy]

Yeah traditional 5 to 7gr loads under a 230gr bullet don't give much more velocity out of a longer barrel and all your big gains in velocity stop after about 5 to 6 inches of barrel.
But I'm loading about 10gr of AA7 or eventually about 14gr of enforcer when I can buy some.

 

[NeroM]

Yeah traditional 5 to 7gr loads under a 230gr bullet don't give much more velocity out of a longer barrel and all your big gains in velocity stop after about 5 to 6 inches of barrel.
But I'm loading about 10gr of AA7 or eventually about 14gr of enforcer when I can buy some.

Try around 7 yr of Silhouette with 250 yr cast bullet nets about 1000 fps; similar to 45 Colt.

 

[milsurpguy]

Gaff and sons has starline 45acp +p brass in stock, limit 500, got some, not that many for this little project.

 

[milsurpguy]

Midway has 1lb cans of 3n38 in stock. I got some to try in 9mm but seems like it would do pretty good in the infamous "45acp deer load".
It will cost ya about $60 for 1lb and the limit is 1 per person. I do not recommend.
Looks like it loads similar to AA7, approximately 9gr under a 230gr bullet, kicks it out of a 5 inch barrel at nearly 1,000fps. Blast and recoil will be pretty intense. Probably be better suited for a rifle.

The VV website has enough 3n38 230gr 45acp load data to get me started.

I guess I'll see which one is more accurate, AA7 or 3n38.

 

[N555]

I was board at work and searched "45acp dear load" just to see what came up and here I am. Mr guns and gear vid I saw not that long ago.
I think 185gr are just not ideal for self defense or deer Hunting. Seem fine for pred elimination and range ammo.
To quote one of the greatest tools at all time they're "unsafe at any speed".
Looks like 185gr tends to not open up cause its not going fast enough (not the problem on this vid), if it does open up it under penetrates or its going too fast and the bullet breaks up in the case of 185gr 45super.

230gr rules.
I don't know if you would even want to run 45super in a camp carbine or why anyone would need to. A good 230gr AA7 plus pee load seems like would be plenty, possibly even super sonic.

 

[EricBu]

Because the 9mm post was so much fun right?
I inherited a 45acp camp carbine, which takes 1911 mags. So the rounds have to fit in a 1911 mag. It has the full 16 inch barrel. My benefactor did complain about 20 years ago that a 16 inch barrel on a 45acp is stupid and that he should cut it down. So I may do that.
Accuracy was unexpected. With my worst cast lead mixed head stamp range fodder I was getting holes touching at 25 yards so the accuracy is there.

Why? Just because. Maybe the antis ban everything and all we can have is pistol cal long guns. Maybe my 1894 and k98 are assault rifles and get banned, for reasons. Maybe it's total hunger games and all we can dare hunt with is suppressed subsonic guns, or bow and arrows... Well my shoulders are messed up so bows and arrows are kind of out.
I'll definitely use it on coyotes.

The gun has been modded, today I replaced the original maybe 9lb 25 year old warn out recoil spring with a new 21lb spring and put in a fresh bolt buffer.
Going for subsonic out of the rife, so I'm limited to 230gr and up.
The best powder I have on hand for a carbine loads that stands out is accurate No.7
I'm more likely to be using jacketed bullets.
My speer manual has a nearly 11gr load for a .451'' 225 grain revolver bullet. A 230gr probably about the same.
I have found a few +P loads over the years for AA7, add 1 to 1.5gr depending on the bullet.
Bluedot looks pretty good too, maybe even better than AA7 but I'm running low on it. I can load develop with it, but will have to wait till the plandemic is over before I can get another pound and load up a few boxes.
I'm also interested in hearing how the 45acp's ultimate stopping power (aside from 10mm) is inappropriate for deer.

What are your favorite hot and heavy 45acp 1911 or carbine loads?

For 5.5 inch barrel 1911 I have always loaded unique and more recently general dynamics cbi as I had tried slower powders but there didn't appear to be any advantage to loading 50% more powder in a 5 to 5.5 inch barrel gun to get the same or a little more velocity.

Oh fun! I have a MPA 16 inch 45 ACP carbine, it is also stupid accurate beyond any reasonable expectation. Your camp carbine should be magnitudes better as it's a better built gun, and a LOT lighter. You'll get a touch more use of that long barrel with AA5 and AA7. IIRC, I've pushed 230 up to 1200 fps without exceeding recommended load data. Definitely no problem accuracy or performance wise as a light deer gun out to 50 yards, and of course it won't be an issue to keep it around 1000 fps so a phenomenal suppressed short range deer getter. I think for deer, probably the best bet would be a cast or flat point type bullet, not FMJ. Maybe an XTP, though I think I'd look for penetration over expansion. With a light can, that will be a super fun shooter and hunter IMHO. The place to look is to find an older (pre-hodgdon) Western Powders load manual, has a slew of plus P loads for the 45 ACP. Here's the 45 ACP +P page from the last version available.

 

[jmorris]

Hard to believe this one a year old already. Wonder if the OP used any last year or even this year to report back about?

 

[EricBu]

Hard to believe this one a year old already. Wonder if the OP used any last year or even this year to report back about?

Ha! I didn't even catch that! Maybe OP will chime in with any results!

 

[n2omike]

Look what I had laying around... Sierra 3rd edition loading manual. Has data for the 45 ACP Camp Carbine. Also had data for the 9mm Camp Carbine. I'll post that as well... Here are the scans. Nice little intro on the first page regarding the Camp Carbine. No new powders, as the book is pretty old. Doesn't look like they tried to push things with larger amounts of slower burning powders.

 

[n2omike]

And now, the 9mm Camp Carbine data... just in case anyone is curious. I like the write ups on the first pages.
Again, I don't think they experimented with larger amounts of slower powders to take advantage of the longer barrel.

 

[mdi]

I have 2 handguns and an HP carbine in 45 ACP. My standard load is 230 FMJ over a classic load of Bullseye giving my 1911 about 850 fps. I haven't run any over my chrony out of my carbine, but I'm sure its over 850 fps. I also load a 200 gr H&G 68 clone giving me a bit over 900 fps from my 1911 and excellent accuracy from my carbine. I wouldn't feel undergunned with the 200 gr SWC out to maybe 75 yards on deer size game.

 

[N555]

I don't have a camp carbine but I'm temped to buy a 16 inch 1911 barrel and cut it down to a sub gun length and see if 45acp does anything cool out of a longer barrel with something like enforcer.

 

[n2omike]

I don't have a camp carbine but I'm temped to buy a 16 inch 1911 barrel and cut it down to a sub gun length and see if 45acp does anything cool out of a longer barrel with something like enforcer.

High Point makes an inexpensive carbine that comes in 9mm, 45 ACP and 10mm... that has a very happy following.

 

[N555]

Those 16 inch 1911 barrels are back in stock.
I bought one for no other reason than curiosity. For $70 why not.

 

[25-20 WCF]

…but I'm temped to buy a 16 inch 1911 barrel and cut it down to a sub gun length and see if 45acp does anything cool out of a longer barrel with something like enforcer.

Enforcer seems like a good option according to the following.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fast+loads+for+the+.45+ACP:+using+ramshot+enforcer+and+230-grain...-a0495829693

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/fast-loads-for-the-45acp/99214

My .45 Camp Carbine likes the 200 XTP over AA-7….with a good buffer and heavy spring. Velocity is 1208 fps and the load is effective on short range deer and hogs. The 200 XTP is a tough bullet, much tougher than many think. Penetration on game was no problem and expansion was good.



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[EricBu]

High Point makes an inexpensive carbine that comes in 9mm, 45 ACP and 10mm... that has a very happy following.

High Points are like Mopeds...lots of fun until your friends find out you have one.

 

[jmorris]

Came back to see if the OP ever had a chance to try anything out, see he hasn’t been back since June of last year. Maybe he’s keeping the 45 ACP deer slayer load a secret.