Got new rcbs dies for 500 S&W. Got some Hornady 500gr. FP/XTP. Problem is I can't find loading data. I use alliant 2400 and 300-mp for 357 and 44 mag. Anybody out there that has knowlage, please advise. I sent Hornady an email and still have'nt got a reply...
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bigedp51
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Try looking in the the American Test kitchens Cook Book under "Grilling Texas style".
P.S. Don't burn your fingers and becareful with the hot BBQ sauce, I understand they can have a lot of "kick".
P.S. Don't burn your fingers and becareful with the hot BBQ sauce, I understand they can have a lot of "kick".
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I do not load that weight bullets but I believe that an email to Hornaday would get you any info that is available as far as factory recommendations. You might need a different propellant with those little bitty thumpers.
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From Hornady 7th Edition Reloading Manual
I have the 7th Edition Manual.
Hornady #50105 FP-XTP
B.C.: 0.185
C.O.L. 2.040"
Sectional Density 0.280
Diameter 0.500"
The two powders you have listed are NOT in the book for this bullet.
The following powders ARE in the book under this particular bullet:
Lil'Gun
Win 296
H 110
IMR 4227
VIHT N-120
AA 1680
The average low-velocity is 1,000 FPS.
The average high-velocity is between 1,300 and 1,350 FPS
I have the 7th Edition Manual.
Hornady #50105 FP-XTP
B.C.: 0.185
C.O.L. 2.040"
Sectional Density 0.280
Diameter 0.500"
The two powders you have listed are NOT in the book for this bullet.
The following powders ARE in the book under this particular bullet:
Lil'Gun
Win 296
H 110
IMR 4227
VIHT N-120
AA 1680
The average low-velocity is 1,000 FPS.
The average high-velocity is between 1,300 and 1,350 FPS
Grumulkin
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If it's any help, I found H110/Win. 296 worked well in my Encore 500 S&W Magnum. A different powder might work better in a revolver.
highlander 5
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The most recent Lyman manual gas loads for the 500 S&W.
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With my 4" barreled 500, I have tried IMR 4227, Titegroup, Longshot, 296 and H110.
However, I am pushing bullets no heavier than 375 grains.
My accurate load is Titegroup with 275g Solid Copper Barnes XPB (X-Pistol-Bullet).
All of the powders listed above were used when I was working up the most accurate load for my gun. My gun happened to really like the 275g Barnes "Flying Ashtrays" with Titegroup and bench rest rifle primers.
Seeing that I am not in Grizzly-country or Africa, the 275g ashtray seems as good a bullet as any! I shot one through 30" of water and the projectile opened up to six razor-sharp petals, almost a perfectly-peeled back nose (except, since I shot the trash can full of water on a little bit of an angle, the petals are not perfectly uniform, but close enough!
However, I am pushing bullets no heavier than 375 grains.
My accurate load is Titegroup with 275g Solid Copper Barnes XPB (X-Pistol-Bullet).
All of the powders listed above were used when I was working up the most accurate load for my gun. My gun happened to really like the 275g Barnes "Flying Ashtrays" with Titegroup and bench rest rifle primers.
Seeing that I am not in Grizzly-country or Africa, the 275g ashtray seems as good a bullet as any! I shot one through 30" of water and the projectile opened up to six razor-sharp petals, almost a perfectly-peeled back nose (except, since I shot the trash can full of water on a little bit of an angle, the petals are not perfectly uniform, but close enough!
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Thanks for the info. What powder would you recommend for Hornady 500gr FP/XTP? I've had my 500 sw for two year and never fired it. Maybe, i'm a little scared of it, because from the reloading data i've read, the damn thing is a rifle carterage in a pistol...lol Your comments are welcome. Don't get me wrong, because I've shot super hot loads in 44 mag., which scared me when my shells got stuck in the cyl. But, I was young and dumb at the time. I'm much more careful now...
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The main thing is to hold on tightly with both hands. Expect for the worst and when you shoot, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
When I bought mine, I ordered a bunch of different factory ammo from Midway. The most wrist-wrenching loads were 440g lead flat point bullets, I believe from Magtech. They were the first ones I shot and were definitely the hottest out of any load I have ever shot out of it -- actually, the hottest I have ever fired out of a handgun, that includes hot 44 Magnums and hot 454 Casull loads!
It feels like you just had a car accident with each shot. Just remember to fasten your seat-belt and you will do just fine.
When I bought mine, I ordered a bunch of different factory ammo from Midway. The most wrist-wrenching loads were 440g lead flat point bullets, I believe from Magtech. They were the first ones I shot and were definitely the hottest out of any load I have ever shot out of it -- actually, the hottest I have ever fired out of a handgun, that includes hot 44 Magnums and hot 454 Casull loads!
It feels like you just had a car accident with each shot. Just remember to fasten your seat-belt and you will do just fine.
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In my Hornady manual, for the #50105 FP-XTP bullets, IMR 4227 is listed. When I was working up loads, I recall that 4227 powder gave me kind of a huge "PUSH" as opposed to a fast SNAP in recoil!
If your brass has a R on the base (or an -R or MAG-R), it means to use Rifle Primers in the brass, not pistol primers, small rifle, IIRC. There is such a large quantity of powder to ignite, thus the rifle primer.
The manual specifies IMR 4227 as:
Starting load: 24.0 grains at 1,000 FPS.
Maximum load: 33.3 grains at 1,300 FPS.
Primer used was Winchester WSP
I would load five of the 24.0 loads and see how you like them.
IF they are scary to you, just load those and see how accurate they are.
With this bullet, believe me, 300 FPS is not going to make much difference if you hunt with it and happen to shoot a deer in a vital spot! Believe me, the deer will never know your bullets were 300 FPS under Maximum load!
If your brass has a R on the base (or an -R or MAG-R), it means to use Rifle Primers in the brass, not pistol primers, small rifle, IIRC. There is such a large quantity of powder to ignite, thus the rifle primer.
The manual specifies IMR 4227 as:
Starting load: 24.0 grains at 1,000 FPS.
Maximum load: 33.3 grains at 1,300 FPS.
Primer used was Winchester WSP
I would load five of the 24.0 loads and see how you like them.
IF they are scary to you, just load those and see how accurate they are.
With this bullet, believe me, 300 FPS is not going to make much difference if you hunt with it and happen to shoot a deer in a vital spot! Believe me, the deer will never know your bullets were 300 FPS under Maximum load!
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For lighter loads in the big magnum, Trail Boss works very nicely. This gives loads that the women and children can shoot. Accuracy is still pretty good and the recoil is not particularly sharp. I use about 11-12 grains behind 400 grain lead bullets (MBC) with WLR primers for light loads.
Hot loads run about 48 grains Lil Gun behind 300 grain Hornady FTX (yes, I worked it up, and max listed by Hornady for that bullet is 49).
The real reason for using rifle primers is the thicker cup. Pistol primers with top loads sometimes cannot withstand the pressure and will be pierced. This is not good for the gun.
Lyman sells a nice hand tool that will ream the primer pockets of old brass to accept the rifle primer. Starline says that the only difference between the old and new style brass is the depth of the primer pocket and that there is no issue with deepening them.
Steve
Hot loads run about 48 grains Lil Gun behind 300 grain Hornady FTX (yes, I worked it up, and max listed by Hornady for that bullet is 49).
The real reason for using rifle primers is the thicker cup. Pistol primers with top loads sometimes cannot withstand the pressure and will be pierced. This is not good for the gun.
Lyman sells a nice hand tool that will ream the primer pockets of old brass to accept the rifle primer. Starline says that the only difference between the old and new style brass is the depth of the primer pocket and that there is no issue with deepening them.
Steve
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There shouldn't be any problem using 2400, just finding data for a 500gr bullet.
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Here's a good list of loads from handloads . com for the big 500. I've used several of these loads in the 500 I got to load for. It belongs to my future son-in-law, but I load his shells for him.
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=500%20SqqqW%20Magnum&Source=&Type=Handgun
Click the drop down menu to select "all" to see the 500 loads.
Don't be scared of that revolver. It kicks the most of ANY handgun I ever fired, BUT it did not injure me!
Those pics were while firing the 700 grain grand canyon cast bullets from this mold;
Those bullets were being launched at approximately 1100 fps. We shot about 20 of those that day, no damage to either of our hands OR the revolver. The Simmons red-dot sight however only survived another range session of those loads before failing, got so beat up it wouldn't stay on. Found the battery had dents in it!
Replaced it with a BSA red-dot, then the rings gave up, sheared the claws where it bites into the base!
A set of steel rings has that solved, now it'll probably shear the screws holding the base on.
Notice on that list on handloads dot com that nowhere is Alliant 2400 listed. There has to be a reason for that. My guess is it's too fast for magnum loads, and too slow for lower range loads. I'm sure somebody has tried it, that alone should clue you that it does not work. I'm not going to waste the effort to try it, or waste the powder, bullet and primer. I used W-296 for those 700's and another load was with lil-gun.
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=500%20SqqqW%20Magnum&Source=&Type=Handgun
Click the drop down menu to select "all" to see the 500 loads.
Don't be scared of that revolver. It kicks the most of ANY handgun I ever fired, BUT it did not injure me!
Those pics were while firing the 700 grain grand canyon cast bullets from this mold;
Those bullets were being launched at approximately 1100 fps. We shot about 20 of those that day, no damage to either of our hands OR the revolver. The Simmons red-dot sight however only survived another range session of those loads before failing, got so beat up it wouldn't stay on. Found the battery had dents in it!
Replaced it with a BSA red-dot, then the rings gave up, sheared the claws where it bites into the base!A set of steel rings has that solved, now it'll probably shear the screws holding the base on.
Notice on that list on handloads dot com that nowhere is Alliant 2400 listed. There has to be a reason for that. My guess is it's too fast for magnum loads, and too slow for lower range loads. I'm sure somebody has tried it, that alone should clue you that it does not work. I'm not going to waste the effort to try it, or waste the powder, bullet and primer. I used W-296 for those 700's and another load was with lil-gun.
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That's quite a hand cannon!
This is definitely a roll your own gun, ammo is crazy expensive!
I really don't think my wrists could hold up to that. 45 ACP is about the largest recoil I can go without having problems.
Looks fun though!
This is definitely a roll your own gun, ammo is crazy expensive!
I really don't think my wrists could hold up to that. 45 ACP is about the largest recoil I can go without having problems.
Looks fun though!
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