6.5 creedmoor at a mile???

[Russell13]

I’ve seen videos on YouTube of people shooting 6.5 creedmoor at and over a mile. One guy was doing at 2700 yards(around a mile and a half).
To my understanding 6.5 creedmoor goes transsonic at around 1300 yards and starts to lose its path. So are these rounds tumbling into the steel. Is it a case of clever editing where they try it 50 times and only show you the hits?? Or can you reliably tumble a round into a target ???

 

[Mn Fats]

I’ve seen videos on YouTube of people shooting 6.5 creedmoor at and over a mile. One guy was doing at 2700 yards(around a mile and a half).
To my understanding 6.5 creedmoor goes transsonic at around 1300 yards and starts to lose its path. So are these rounds tumbling into the steel. Is it a case of clever editing where they try it 50 times and only show you the hits?? Or can you reliably tumble a round into a target ???

I don't believe they are tumbling. Just because it goes subsonic at that range doesn't mean it goes into a full on tumble.

 

[earlthegoat2]

It is very possible.

Not ideal for the mile but is doable with the right gear and shooter.

I watched several videos today of people doing it with 224 Valkyrie since I just bought one. I’m not going to attempt that as I will only be using it for hunting and my range only goes to 500 but the point is that very high BC bullets can reach out.

224 Valkyrie also goes transonic at 1300 with typical high BC bullets.

 

[bfoosh006]

The right load, the right altitude, the right temp. It can be done.

A great shooting range helps as well. The one I can use occasionally has ample loose dirt around the target, so you can see your misses a LOT easier, and adjust as needed.

 

[Riomouse911]

If the other-worldly Jerry M can pop a ballon at 1000 yards with a 9mm revolver offhand, I’m sure there are folks who can drop a 6.5 CM onto a target at 2700...



Stay safe.

 

[JFrank]

I would like to see the 6.5 hit anything at 2700 yards

 

[dcloco]

I would like to see the 6.5 hit anything at 2700 yards

....just fighting gravity!

 

[C-grunt]

I've shot my 6.5 Creedmoor at a mile. I was shooting handload 140 ELD-M bullets at a little over 2700 FPS out of a 22 inch barrel. A friend was shooting a Bergara LRP running factory Hornady 147 ELD-M bullets and that rifle I believe has a 24 inch barrel. I think his rounds were around 2700 FPS.

If I remember right I had right at 25 mils of drop at that range. The 147s had a little less at 24.5 mils. The 300 Winmags running 220ish grain bullets had around 18 mils of drop and were still supersonic I believe.

I'm pretty sure I made a thread about it last year after the range trip. I'll see if I can find it and link it here.

 

[C-grunt]

For the 2700 yard shot, were you watching the "Mark and Sam after work" channel? The couple from Australia. They can shoot and do some awesome stuff.

Their videos actually got them sponsored by Nightforce.

 

[C-grunt]

Found the thread.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/first-shots-at-a-mile.862328/

 

[Varminterror]

Bullets don’t suddenly lose control forever and always when they cross transonic. They do get smacked in the ass by their shockwave and begin a completely new flow regime for their pressure front, but they don’t suddenly begin doing cartwheels (typically, for a well stabilized bullet).

A local guy I know set a record for the longest successful impact in ELR competition history with a 338 a couple weeks ago - 4137 yards on a 6ft target, under 2moa at over 2 miles. His impact velocity was a pinch over 800fps... almost every shot of the course of fire is past transonic transition; it’s ELR afterall... The bullets are still flying tip-first upon impact.

 

[Russell13]

This is very interesting. I thought you judged the range of your round by how long you can keep it supersonic. I’m sure a lot of practice and learning goes into shooting past the transsonic range of a round.

 

[Russell13]

I would like to see the 6.5 hit anything at 2700 yards

 

[LoonWulf]

Bullets don’t suddenly lose control forever and always when they cross transonic. They do get smacked in the ass by their shockwave and begin a completely new flow regime for their pressure front, but they don’t suddenly begin doing cartwheels (typically, for a well stabilized bullet).

A local guy I know set a record for the longest successful impact in ELR competition history with a 338 a couple weeks ago - 4137 yards on a 6ft target, under 2moa at over 2 miles. His impact velocity was a pinch over 800fps... almost every shot of the course of fire is past transonic transition; it’s ELR afterall... The bullets are still flying tip-first upon impact.

Out of curiosity, and having never shot much outside of a thousand yards or so.... And then with no real intention of hitting what I was firing at....

Do the larger calibers with heavier bullets have less variation when dropping below the speed of sound as opposed to the smaller lighter calibers?

 

[C-grunt]

Out of curiosity, and having never shot much outside of a thousand yards or so.... And then with no real intention of hitting what I was firing at....

Do the larger calibers with heavier bullets have less variation when dropping below the speed of sound as opposed to the smaller lighter calibers?

It has more to do with the bullet design.

 

[C-grunt]

This is very interesting. I thought you judged the range of your round by how long you can keep it supersonic. I’m sure a lot of practice and learning goes into shooting past the transsonic range of a round.

For the most part the realistic range is the rounds supersonic range. Some rounds do well beyond that range but even the good ones get a little wonky afterwards.

From shooting my 6.5 well past is supersonic range I definitely notice the accuracy opens up once the bullet goes transonic. But that doesn't mean you can't hit targets past that range.

 

[jmr40]

To my understanding 6.5 creedmoor goes transsonic at around 1300 yards and starts to lose its path.

A 147 gr Hornady ELD bullet leaving the muzzle at 2700 fps will still be 990 fps at 2000 yards. That is as far as the ballistic program I use will let me go. A bit over 1300 fps at 1300 yards and around 1100 fps at a mile.

If you're good enough (I'm not) a mile certainly seems doable. Before watching the video I would have had doubts about 2700 yards, but you can't deny the results.

 

[Jack B.]

300yds is my max.I have no desire or have a reason to shoot at something a mile away. I can't even see a target that far away.

 

[JFrank]

I know a few people that compete at 2000 yards, none shoot Creedmoor.

338 lapua improved
375 chey tac
416 something or other

 

[JFrank]

His spread looked to be about 9 ft but WTH at least he walked it in

 

[Varminterror]

Competing and shooting are most often very different things. If someone wants to compete in ELR, they’ll be running a super-magnum, even in light gun class (30-338 cartridges). But if someone has access to a mile or longer, nothing really stops us from shooting anything else we own at that distance just for the fun of it. Just the same as shooting 223 out to 1000, or shooting 22LR out to 400-500, or beyond.

I’ve shot my 6 Creed and 6 Dasher to a mile a few times in the last few years, I’ll do it again Friday this week during a side stage at a PRS match check in. A 6.5 creed is easier at a mile than a 6 creed, but getting there really isn’t so challenging. I shoot a long throated 300win mag a few times per year at a mile to 2000, just because. The first time I ever shot to a mile was with a 7x57mm, shooting a simple 140, many moons ago, with a lower BC and a very similar velocity to a 6.5 creed, and I shot there often with that rifle (an old Chevy S-10 hood hanging on a chain between two hedge trees as my target). Stick a big target out there and you’re prone to find it often enough to be satisfied that it wasn’t random chance.

 

[Varminterror]

Do the larger calibers with heavier bullets have less variation when dropping below the speed of sound as opposed to the smaller lighter calibers?

More about the bullet than the caliber - other than to acknowledge the fact we typically gain considerable SD and BC when increasing caliber, and of course gain linear and angular inertia when you pack mass into a bullet (for a given speed and RPM), but the biggest “knob” in that relationship is the bullet profile.

 

[Walkalong]

Bullets don’t suddenly lose control forever and always when they cross transonic.

Yep, they simply experience turbulence as they transition back to subsonic, which of course affects the flight path.

 

[Walkalong]

I thought you judged the range of your round by how long you can keep it supersonic.

It's the most "accurate" in that range, but it doesn't stop being capable.

 

[JFrank]

More about the bullet than the caliber - other than to acknowledge the fact we typically gain considerable SD and BC when increasing caliber, and of course gain linear and angular inertia when you pack mass into a bullet (for a given speed and RPM), but the biggest “knob” in that relationship is the bullet profile.

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