600yard 223rem loads

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I mean, i built an ar15 for less then 600, then traded it for a rifle that cost more then that and a Stevens 350 hd, the reviews where better then the remington 700 so i thought, why not? I just got more vmax, and I'm going to start trying some h4198 see how it does
 
Sounds like you made out pretty good.

Toss a 5 or 10 round mag in that (whatever's legal) and that'd make a pretty handy hunting rifle. If you can get it to swallow 77 grain pills without keyholing, you'd be in great shape. I'd almost be willing to put money down, that rifle would do better and be more precise with 69's.

Have you determined where the lands are yet? Load a dummy round "way too long" (making sure you've still got enough in the neck for positive retention), mark it with a marker or similar coloring, CRIMP it, chamber it. I say crimp it because if it engages the rifling enough, sometimes you can extract an empty casing and leave the bullet in the lands, which you then have to tap out, and start all over again.

Anyway, the rifling will leave marks and scrape away your coloring of choice.

Now measure the base of the case to the start of those marks. That's your reference point on how far forward you can get the bearing surface of loaded projectiles out there.

I know you want to feed from the magazine, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to know where your lands are, so you can have an idea of what's happening when the powder starts to burn. :)

You can probably squeeze a little extra length out of rounds and still have them fit in the magazine and feed OK.

You want to get as much length as you can, to get the bearing surface close to those lands. With some rare exceptions, the less freebore the bullet travels, the better those longer, heavier bullets are going to shoot.

But there's no telling how your rifle will behave until you try. :)
 
Well i just checked the lands and it looks like its at 2.112, does that sound about typical?
 
Actually it sounds like you got quite a bit of free bore.

That's definitely not a bad thing if you're shooting longer bullets.

You should be able to load 69 and 77 grain bullets out pretty far, if you want to.
 
Just confirmed this, SAMMI specs for S dimension (length to end of bearing surface on standard round) is 1.855" putting the nominal lands position at 1.955". So looks like you've got about .157 of wiggle room over a standard chamber.

Not quite as much as the 223 Wylde chamber I played with, but definitely long enough to stretch those rounds out a bit. When you start loading those longer bullets I'd definitely play with OAL once you're done laddering up your powder and settle on a charge.
 
I just checked my old notes and in three different uppers, one a NM, all three had a depth to the lands of 2.000" measured from the ogive, using 69g SMK's.

All 5.56 chambers.

If you can just drop in a loose round and have it chamber easily in the MVP, then single loading won't be a problem. But if it's like an AR then the BobSled makes single loading much easier. You can get one at Creedmore easy enough.
 
I have to get my hands on an MVP, just never have seen one in stock locally. Probably the best idea ever.
 
Well its clambered for 5.56 so I'm guessing that's why?

No, that OAL is significantly longer than a standard 556 chamber.

The gunsmiths who built your rifle knew their business, and knew people would want to do long range shooting with it.

Truthfully, I'm REALLY surprised you're getting one-hole accuracy with 55 grain. with that much freebore on a 55 grain bullet I would expect some velocity spread. Maybe it'd be more telling at longer ranges? Either way you're probably getting a tad higher velocity out of 55gr compared to an equivalent AR since that bullet can get moving easier (not to mention, no gas diversion for cycling the action). At the cost of a little velocity spread, that's a good tradeoff for a hunting rifle.

I'm REALLY curious what sort of accuracy you'd get out of 69gr Sierra Matchkings on that barrel, loaded long until they're close to the lands.

There's a follower you can buy (mentioned above) that allows you to very quickly drop an over-long round on to an AR mag for single loading. It basically changes the rifle to single shot, but lets you easily and quickly load and shoot those custom, longer cartridges that should really shine at 300-600 yards.
 
The previous method of measuring your distance to the lands will work, however I've found that these tools offer a no-guessing, foolproof, absolutely dead on way to measure that distance. Unfortunately you'll have to dish out some cash.

You need this.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/47...ad-overall-length-gage-automatic-lever-action

and this

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/29...erall-length-gage-modified-case-223-remington

And it really helps to have this.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/23...ad-bullet-comparator-basic-set-with-6-inserts

Screw the modified case in to the OAL gauge, drop in your bullet of choice. Jam the case in to the rifle's chamber until it's nice and snug, push the wire to move the bullet out of the case until it hits the rifling, then tighten the lock nut.

Remove the assembly and measure using a caliper with the proper bullet comparator insert installed. Repeat a couple times and you'll find the depth within a few thousandths and you can trust it.

Remember that the base to tip measurement is only important for fitting in to the magazine. The base to ogive measurement is what will determine how far off the lands the bullet is.

Unfortunately in a 5.56 rifle it's rare or impossible to get a round to both fit in a magazine and have an optimum distance to the lands. Not all bullets perform equally though. If it's shooting to your satisfaction now, then you have a good fall back position if all other experiments fail.
 
Cash is something i really ain't got a lot of right now, for anyone interested in getting one of thread rifles, ill warn you about the magazines right now, most of them will have to have a little bit of the "lips shaved off, and i had fits with the thermolds falling out of the magwell, but those are easy fixes
 
Cash is something i really ain't got a lot of right now, for anyone interested in getting one of thread rifles, ill warn you about the magazines right now, most of them will have to have a little bit of the "lips shaved off, and i had fits with the thermolds falling out of the magwell, but those are easy fixes

Thermolds falling out of magwells, I thought that was a design feature! :evil:

While it's good to have the right tool sometimes, this is something that you can do with the components you already have with a marker. A long time ago I used to blacken the bullets with soot. Anymore, I just use a black sharpy. After my little boy tried to set the house on fire playing with matches, we don't keep stick matches laying around, and those long bbq lighters don't "soot".
 
Well, i checked the lands about 5 times now, and they all give me the same result, i also made me a "bobsled" out of one of my thermolds, it seems to work, but i still gotta get it out for some shooting, if all else fails i might set it out at 200yds and try putting a 3 shot group on it
 
You wouldn't be the first person on this board to perforate AR magazines that malfunction.

In fact, if you went walking in the woods behind my house, you'd find a couple at the bottom of my hill by the lake where I shoot pistol occasionally. I took my FS2000 down there a last year to re-test two mil-surplus magazines that had shown problems in my AR. With the FS2000 being so reliable, if IT jammed, I view it as absolute confirmation that the mags are hosed.

I've had *some* very *limited* success at getting bent feed ramps straightened out on aluminum magazines but more often than not, I can't ever get them 100% again.

Anyway once I confirmed those magazines just don't work, in either of my 223 guns, they became targets for my 45ACP. :)

I once saw a guy at the range become so frustrated with a magazine that he tossed it out at about 7 yards and unloaded 8 rounds of 00 buck in to it.

I think he felt better afterwards.

(Although he spent more money killing the magazine than the magazine cost)
 
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