6m Hagar?

[gvnwst]

I read online recently about a cartridge called the 6mm Hagar. It is based off of the .30 remington, with a longer body than the 6.8 SPC, and a 30 degree shoulder. Know anything about this? It looks like a good comptetor to the
6mmAR Turbo/Turbo 40.

Thanks,

gvn

 

[rangerruck]

don't know what it would do that a 6-284, 243, 243ai, 6-06, wouldn't do.

 

[Coronach]

When I first read the title, I was thinking "wow. 6 meters? Isn't that overkill?"

Mike

 

[shinz]

don't know what it would do that a 6-284, 243, 243ai, 6-06, wouldn't do.

It wouldn't make such a racket for starters I'd think that a better question would be what will it do that the 6x45 rem won't do. It would be a sweet little efficient cartridge which would get good velocities with a modest amount of powder. By choosing a 1-10 rifling twist I'd think it would handle 100gr projectiles happily & make an excellent light deer rifle & be at its best with a 19-21" barrel. Other than the 243, the above are all slightly overbore & need long tubes to get their best. They also tend to be hard on barrels with their top loads, but admittedly if its a long range varmint rifle you want, you'll be better off with these than the 6mm Hagar.
Steve

 

[PTK]

Mike

It'd only be, what, 1,436 tons of lead or so... not THAT overkill, right?

 

[rangerruck]

there is also the 6x47 cart out there, plus the fantastic 6.5 grendel... for dandy, light shooting, with a mild cart. personally , I would love to see a modern rifle made for the 6.5 arisaka round, or even necked up a savage hi speed from 5.7 up to 6. maybe not a lot of arisaka brass around, but they still make the hi speed round, so brass for that should not be a problem.

 

[gvnwst]

sorry about the title.... mistake. is it possible to change?

don't know what it would do that a 6-284, 243, 243ai, 6-06, wouldn't do.

the hagar, with what little i know about it, can do a little less than those calibers, but do it in a AR 15 magazine. it outperforms the grendel in wind drift and drop, if i have read right

I'd think that a better question would be what will it do that the 6x45

it would have a lot more case capacity, as it is kinda based off of the 6.8spc. and it is shorter (i think) so heavier bullets would less of a problem. really, i am basing this knowledge off of a very small artical that didn't give too many spesifics...

Other than the 243, the above are all slightly overbore & need long tubes to get their best. They also tend to be hard on barrels with their top loads, but admittedly if its a long range varmint rifle you want, you'll be better off with these than the 6mm Hagar.
Steve

i think it was concieved as a target cartridge....


thanks

 

[Nolo]

The 6mm Hagar is an okay idea, methinks, but a better one would be a .256" cartridge based off of the 6.8 SPC. It's a more natural diameter for that case.
However, while your performance would be good, I am not sure that it buys you anything the Grendel doesn't. Shooting flatter out of the Hagar is great, but I think the cartridge is unbalanced, and once you make it balanced, you get a Grendel that is slightly smaller. Why not go for a cartridge even smaller if you want Grendel performance?
It can be done, I think.
Personally, I'd like to see a .30 Remington cut down to 43mm with a .264" bullet. It wouldn't quite fit in an AR-15's OAL, but...
It'd rock all the same.
If you want to fit into an AR-15 OAL, then I see two routes of travel:
Go Grendel and replace a bunch of parts, but have an admirably capable cartridge.
Go with the 6x42mm (a cartridge I have refined, it's 5.56mm NATO cut down to 42mm and necked up to 6mm) and don't replace anything but the barrels but have a less capable cartridge.

 

[gvnwst]

or get a 6mmAR turbo 40, and have .243 win ballistics in a AR 15..... i was just wanting to see how the hagar stood up to the 6mmAR Turbo 40.

thanks