7.62x25 Considerations

[HighRoad]

I was just curious what the general consensus is regarding the 7.62x25 caliber. You see, I was recently introduced and hooked on the 5.45x39. It's astounding how much more ammo one can get per greenback with this cartridge, so I was looking at other ideas as well. Is this worthy of further investigation, or is this caliber pure crap?

I found this item for sale online. Any1 own one of these? PPS-43

http://www.militarygunsupply.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_15&products_id=383

I have found 800 round bulgarian surplus tins for the 7.62x25 for $67, which sounds pretty cheap. Also, $70 parts kits and $9 mags.

 

[Deer Hunter]

I would love to own one of those.

May put that on the list...

 

[Roadkill]

I've been shooting 7.62x25 for about fifteen years in a 1950 Russian and a 1964 Chinese Tokarev. It is a reliable, potent and accurate round that approaches 1500 feet per second velocity. Its a bottleneck cartridge, feeds well in my guns, and has been very reliable. Best part is that it is still reasonable right now.

 

[Funderb]

I am in love with the cartridge.

 

[outerlimit]

I would like one in full auto, I don't think I would care for the semi-auto.

 

[Hoppy590]

i say it in everythread. write some one, anyone. hi point, keltec, who ever to make an affordable X25 carbine

 

[MD_Willington]

an M1 carbine chambered for it would rock !

 

[rangerruck]

to me, it would be the best of both worlds, a good varmint round , and great for home def. this round was tested against a 9 mm, for penetration on a steel pot, and the tokarev went right through. I would love to get one of those semi auto's, and would dig a bolt action rifle in it as well, with about a 18 inch bbl on it.

 

[chris in va]

The round itself is pretty cool. It just depends on the delivery machine.

I had a CZ 52 for a little while. I have a lot of respect for anyone that had to carry it as their duty weapon. Holy cow. If I had bought a Tokarev instead, I'd probably still have it.

 

[grimjaw]

I had a friend that owned a PPSh semi-auto, with the barrel extended to reach legal length. I got to shoot it a few times. It was heavy, unwieldy, and not every drum tried with it would work. I think it would be an interesting subgun, but as a semi auto I'd rather have something else.

If I'm going to have to clean up the gun thoroughly after shooting corrosive ammunition, I'm going to want the gun to be a simple as possible to facilitate that. More difficult to do with a semi-auto.

jm

 

[ashtxsniper]

M1 carbine already outperforms the 7.62x25 and it would have less magazine capacity if you converted a M1 carbine to 7.62x25.

 

[outerlimit]

And 5.56 outperforms both.

 

[ashtxsniper]

O of course I was just saying that there is no advantage of converting a 30 M1 carbine to 7.62x25.

 

[Hoppy590]

like i always point out. the advantage isnt power vs a rifle. the advantage is cheapness.

ammo is cheap, mags are cheap, now we just need to get a gun that is cheap.

200 hi point in 7.62X25 + 70$ ammo is well worth burning up the supply.

 

[phoglund]

Something about the size and price of a 10/22 that shoots the 7.62X25 with 20 - 35 round magazines would have a great fun factor. Too bad we won't see it.

 

[Bwana John]

One of my favorite SMG cartridge!!!

I was surprised how much I enjoyed shooting a PPSh 41

 

[gripper]

What about a Glock ( 34 sized) in 7.62X25....and then you could have a CCU made up by Mech Tech or some such ....the Czech stuff in my experience was a bit hotter( 1600fps in a VZ52,so I 'm guessing that it would be a neat little item in a 16 inch barrel.

 

[JasonblkZ06]

And 5.56 outperforms both.

Show where to get 800 rds of 5.56 for $60. EXACTLY

 

[grimjaw]

Show where to get 800 rds of 5.56 for $60. EXACTLY

Today's surplus superdeal is tomorrow's overpriced crap. It wasn't that long ago that you could score 7.5x55 Swiss ammo for less than $0.20/round, and 7.62x54R was sometimes had for less than $0.10/round. So if you're going on price alone, 7.62x25 is a great deal today, EXACTLY. Tomorrow, it will just be another cartridge to compete with other (older) designs that have left it behind (.45ACP, 9mm, etc).

jm

 

[Clark]

I have built a few long barreled 7.62x25mm weapons, and the accuracy with factory ammo is bad.

I got lots of the 7 cent delivered ammo from Poland 10 years ago.

The S&B Boxer new stuff is much better, but still not accurate.

If you want a real gun, get a .223.

 

[grimjaw]

I second what Clark said. I've had both a CZ52 and TT33, plus Romanian and Polish surplus ammo. Consistency even from a bench was craptastic.

jm

 

[Hoppy590]

if i want an accurate gun, il buy a expensive gun. if i want a cheap range plinker il ye a cheap gun

i love the double standards. nothing about .223 is cheap. we accept that and want X25 yet you keep bringing up .223 and other rifle rounds

 

[Funderb]

rifles, pistols, and smg's are not, and never have been in the same category.

If your cz52 or tt33 shoot craptastically, either your gun is worn out, or you are the problem. Mine shoots great. The groups are very tight out to 25 yds which is the end of my pistol ability. It's even better when someone who is a bit of a marksman shoots the thing.

Putting x25 in a long barrel is also a waste. It is a short by LxW comparison, light .30 round, and will most assuredly not perform in a long barrel. My guess is that it likely keyholes from time to time.

In an smg x25 worked as a round with an incredibly high cyclic rate of fire. Not as a target gun. 900 rpm? sound like any other smg? no.
I would love to have one though!

Don't compare it to rifle calibers, it's not a rifle round. A rifle is a rifle, so you can take your crybaby .223 elsewhere.

 

[grimjaw]

If your cz52 or tt33 shoot craptastically, either your gun is worn out, or you are the problem.

I'm willing to believe any CZ52 is worn out. The TT33 was a freshly imported, little used Polish version, and you can judge for yourself if it looks worn out.



I know I can shoot better groups from a bench than that, and with a double action trigger, too. I wasn't blaming the guns, I was blaming the ammunition. Winchester new production ammunition produced better groups out of both guns.

My apologies. This is the rifle forum, and I got off topic. The other ammunition I've tried was Yugoslavian, not Polish. Be that as it may, the current offerings for 7.62x25 is rifles is poor, IMO, and so is the surplus ammunition offered.

jm

 

[Clark]

I can't hit beans with pistols.
I put Leupold scopes on the two long guns I built in 7.62x25mm [30 Mauser reamer]