7.62x39 mm AR-15

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Robinson Arms has a notification on their website indicating that they use Wolf for testing and have run thousands of rounds without any trouble at all.

I've also heard and read that 7.62x39 AR's run fine with steel case and are far more accurate than an AK. It's not just the round, the rifle itself has a lot to do with accuracy.

Also the primer sealer probably has almost no fouling effect on the chamber and not all use a sealer anyway. There is a possibility that the lacquer coating on steel casings could muck up the chamber, but again I'm not convinced that all cartridges are lacquer coated.

In my group, a lot of .223 AR jockeys run Wolf and they don't seem to have any issues.
 
And I've just, since starting this thread (and quest) become aware of the (pricey) MGI modular lower with an AK magwell.
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Wow, 7.62 AR that takes AK mags is a beautiful thing! Too bad it will cost about a grand for the lower after you buy the $250 mag well.:(

Are the noobs who don't like steel at it again? Someone give them back their playstation so they can resume Rainbow Six.
 
cbsbyte said that buying an upper is pointless because he can buy a complete AR cheaper. I posted the price of a complete 7.62x39 upper and asked him to please show me where he can buy a complete AR cheaper.
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You misinterpreted what I wrote. I was alluding too that it is cheaper to buy a complete AK, than AR upper in 7.62x39. Not a complete AR rifle. I thought you understood from the first message what I was comparing.
 
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You misinterpreted what I wrote. I was alluding too that it is cheaper to buy a complete AK, than AR upper in 7.62x39. Not a complete AR rifle. I thought you understood from the first message what I was comparing.
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Now that I go re-read it afterwards I can see what your saying, my mistake.

That being said the OP wants an AR ...... not an AK. There are plenty reasons for that. I personally have both and think the AK is a superior weapon but I can see all kinds of reason to have an AR.

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around the primer for the steel cased ammo is a red varnish used to stop corrosion, when you fire it melts and sticks inside the rifle, depending on where the build up is it can cause catastrophic damage to some parts of the rifle, also the build up can cause the rifle to not chamber a round, and this is more likely to happen in a rifle with not a whole lot of room inside the receiver, however in an ak there is plenty of room and if there is build up of the varnish it will not effect the firing or chambering of a round, hell you can throw sand into the receiver of a AK and it will still fire, so in my opinion AR' uppers in 7.62x39 are all good only if you use quality brass ammo, which is very expensive, just dont go with the cheap steel cased stuff if you are using it in a AR
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The AR has plenty of room inside that receiver.....its not cramped at all. So far I have read your reason why the red varnish will ruin your rifle as nothing more than a reason to clean it more often when shooting the cheap ammo.

These things are machines, not surgical tools. Good lord I think some people think there gun are made of porcelain.

Red varnish is not going to ruin your gun....that makes no since.

Our rifle instructor recently took 2 cases of Wolf and his AR to a class. Had no probems and I assure you his rifle is not ruined. It needed about 5 minutes more cleaning....not a biggie.
 
Just a note, I ordered 3 buffer tubes from DelTon and 2 were bad. My e-mails have went unanswered and I got the run-around over the phone. Not real happy with they're customer service...
 
That's good to know, but sorry to hear you had that experience.

I haven't been putting to much weight on the options, like the 7.62 XCR and the C Products 7.62 mags, that don't really exist yet.
 
Whitman31 said:
Just a note, I ordered 3 buffer tubes from DelTon and 2 were bad. My e-mails have went unanswered and I got the run-around over the phone. Not real happy with they're customer service...
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Wow, I had heard they had excellent customer service. Keep us updated.
 
I like the idea of an AR in x39. But how expensive is x39 compared to 5.56? I dont own an AK or SKS, so I dont shop for that imparticular round. Otherwise, it seems like a neat idea.
 
I like the idea of an AR in x39. But how expensive is x39 compared to 5.56? I dont own an AK or SKS, so I dont shop for that imparticular round. Otherwise, it seems like a neat idea.
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Comparing similar ammo, the price difference is usually negligible, with the 7.62 less than a quarter more per 20. The higher quality stuff the gap widens due to cost of heavier projectiles (I assume).
 
But how expensive is x39 compared to 5.56?
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Right now 7.62x39 seems a bit cheaper than 5.56x45, and more available.

For example, ammoman.com has Wolf "black box" 7.62x39 in stock at 1000 rounds for $199, while the Wolf "black box" 5.56x45 is out of stock at 1000 rounds for $229.
 
Funny things happen to my decision making processes at gun shows.

So I came home about noon today with a Noveske stripped lower and a Model 1 A3 7.62x39 AR kit. Throw in the Yankee Hill BUIS and it's a complete, sans magazine, 7.62 AR for $729 OTD.

That "sans magazine" is where I'm betting on the come.

We shall see. I'll report on it when I have something to report. Thanks for all the input.
 
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Yep, the whole 7.62 AR world is waiting on C Products. In the meantime, I did order a couple of MGW 7.62 AR mags so I can at least try it out.

This will be my first build, and I'm looking forward to it. Besides the Model 1 kit's parts, I'll be putting a Magpul CTR stock on it and it will get a JARD 3# single stage FCG.
 
Arghhh! Frustration!

I took it to the range this morning, and I do like the gun. Kicks a bit more than a 5.56, but once I have it sighted in a bit better I think it'll be a great shooter.

And it'll be a great gun whenever functioning magazines come to market. Presently the only magazine options are frankenmags (the product of some tinkerers grafting an AR mag head to an AK mag body and waiting for a fierce electrical storm) or the above mentioned MWG mags.

Which, in my brief experience, don't work worth a damn. I bought a 5 rounder and a 10 rounder (all that's available). The 10 rounder failed to feed 10 out of 10 attempts and went to the showers. The 5 rounder can actually only take 3 rounds, and misfeeds if you seat it with the bolt closed.

While there have been several delays in C-Products' effort to bring a 7.62 AR mag to market, present indications are that my stash of 7.62x39 will last until those mags are released.
 
Im under the inpression that the XCR will NOT use standard AK mags as
We have been testing the XCR in this caliber for some time. We are waiting for an AR15 type magazine to be manufactured before we offer this caliber. One magazine manufacturer has indicated that the magazines will be available in the fall of 2007. We will offer the rifle in this caliber as soon as magazines are available.

Many have asked why we are not going to use the AK-47 magazine for the 7.62x39mm caliber conversion. The reasons are as follows:

1) AK-47 magazines can be inserted wrong under pressure and cause problems.
2) The AK-47 magazines have no bolt hold open feature. This makes magazine changes slow. No serious operator would use a rifle with no bolt hold open feature if he could have one with a bolt hold open feature.
3) The magazine release for the AK-47 magazines is different. Under stress one may forget where the magazine release.
4) Training and practicing with the XCR is the same no matter which caliber one is using. In other words, one inserts and releases the magazine the same way regardless of caliber. THIS IS BIG.

The next question that comes up is: What magazine are you going to use for 7.62x39mm. The answer is that we have our own design and will use it if we cannot cajole someone else to make them for us in the next month.

This should answer a majority of the questions regarding the caliber conversions. If you have more, you may email them to us.

I should also note that the XCR is accurate in all calibers, even 7.62x39mm. No surprise here; it's a good platform.
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And it'll be a great gun whenever functioning magazines come to market.
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Yep. Magazines are the big problem with ARs in this caliber. The taper of the round causes problems with straight walled mags. That's why AK mags have that 'banana' curve and the original equipment SKS mag is shaped like a triangle.

I'm not sure whatever happened to the DPMS Franken Mags or what happened to USA Mags who also made them. I guess the demand just isn't there.
 
Oly Arms AR-15 (K30R)

I saved by self a few steps and purchased a VERY comfortable and FAMILIAR weapon. I wanted a med/big game hunting rifle as well as a dependable home defense rifle. I went with Olympic Arm's K30R. It is a 16" carbine that fires the 7.62x39 soviet round. The weapon came with a 30rd mag and a sling in a hard case. I paid $969.00 plus local sales tax for this extremely reliable weapon. And if it ever came time that I NEED a 5.56x45 upper...theye will be plenty of them lying around!!
 
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