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77 Year-Old Mexican Rancher Stands Up To Cartel , Kills 4, Wounds 2
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This story never got the attention it deserved.
I wouldn't mind if it was made into a sort of modern day western as a tribute to those who stand up to the criminal aspects of society.
I wouldn't mind if it was made into a sort of modern day western as a tribute to those who stand up to the criminal aspects of society.
jmarv
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we need him in America. good man
texgunner
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Second Amendment poster boy. I wish we had more like him, especially on our side of the border.
Blackrock
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I'll bet a friend of mine in Douglas Az knows this guy. Ray did a lot of hunting and fishing in that part of Old Mexico and is married to a nice lady from south of the border.
That old Mexican sure put up a fight for sure.
That old Mexican sure put up a fight for sure.
General Geoff
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I'm honestly surprised he didn't take out more of them. Chalk it up to poor visibility (before sunrise), I suppose.
Let this be a lesson to armchair quarterbacks, though: If push really does come to shove and you have prior notice to a group of heavily armed men coming to take something that's yours, you can make a difference if you resist with force. But you'll likely pay for it with your life, like this gentleman did. I imagine he probably had no delusions about making it out alive, either.
Let this be a lesson to armchair quarterbacks, though: If push really does come to shove and you have prior notice to a group of heavily armed men coming to take something that's yours, you can make a difference if you resist with force. But you'll likely pay for it with your life, like this gentleman did. I imagine he probably had no delusions about making it out alive, either.
1stmarine
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Thanks for sharing. Very inspiring for everyone.
Big cojones Don Alejo.
Big cojones Don Alejo.
I've said since forever (and it is the general belief in my home town area) that one farm boy with a bolt-action .30-06 and a 3-9X scope can put up one Hades of a defense over more than a few connected 40 acre plots of land. Face it, when you're on home court, you know all distances instinctively. I personally know by instinct/experience every precise yardage in each direction. That's good in day light.
I suspect that the perps also knew of the gentleman's skills and experience with weapons, and that is exactly why they hit like thieves in the dark. A while back, I had some night time pictures posted here, contrasting non-night vision, and then the same shot with FLIR. Seems to me, he should have anticipated they would hit in the dark. He needed to have night vision capability at hand. Night vision capability gives one the means to say "...let there be light for the fight". Then again, being Mexico, he likely was not allowed to own it.
As I see it, he knew in advance that the fight was coming, and he prepared. I think he should have prepared differently...call in the Marines in advance. No shame in asking for support. Well, he died defending his property, but the operative word is, he died. No chest-thumpin' here. You choose to live by the gun, you just may die by it. He appears to have known this, and made an informed decision. I will say, that was one very brave gentleman! I would have been proud to have known him, and to have had him as a neighbor.
God bless him.
Geno
I suspect that the perps also knew of the gentleman's skills and experience with weapons, and that is exactly why they hit like thieves in the dark. A while back, I had some night time pictures posted here, contrasting non-night vision, and then the same shot with FLIR. Seems to me, he should have anticipated they would hit in the dark. He needed to have night vision capability at hand. Night vision capability gives one the means to say "...let there be light for the fight". Then again, being Mexico, he likely was not allowed to own it.
As I see it, he knew in advance that the fight was coming, and he prepared. I think he should have prepared differently...call in the Marines in advance. No shame in asking for support. Well, he died defending his property, but the operative word is, he died. No chest-thumpin' here. You choose to live by the gun, you just may die by it. He appears to have known this, and made an informed decision. I will say, that was one very brave gentleman! I would have been proud to have known him, and to have had him as a neighbor.
God bless him.
Geno
JTHunter
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The problem is, the man is still DEAD! He didn't win! Now there is nothing to stop the cartel from coming in and taking over the land.
mljdeckard
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I agree. Going down shooting is still going down. And if he had survived, would the cartel not just bring in reinforcements to finish the job?
The more I read, the less I want to go to Mexico for anything.
The more I read, the less I want to go to Mexico for anything.
I was offered the superintendent position for the American School in Durango, Mexico back in 1988. Part of my job would be to drive from Durango, Mex to Texas to get "cash" to pay the faculty's and staff's monthly wages. 
Can you imagine a light-skinned, Irish-boy, driving alone...across Mexico, with over $100,000.00 cash, each month?! Oh Hades no!
Oh yeah, and no, I could not have a weapon.
Geno
Can you imagine a light-skinned, Irish-boy, driving alone...across Mexico, with over $100,000.00 cash, each month?! Oh Hades no!
Oh yeah, and no, I could not have a weapon.Geno
Ridgerunner665
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Just think what he could have accomplished with an AR15 at every window...he had the will to fight, and did darn good for what he had to work with...but if he had been better armed, he just might have killed them all.
What was that quote from Josey Wales...about getting "plumb mad dog mean"?
What was that quote from Josey Wales...about getting "plumb mad dog mean"?
mljdeckard
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And Geno, don't even THINK about having any guns or loose ammo in the car when you cross that border, or you will (ironically enough) be begging your relatives to send you food in a Mexican jail.
I know. I interviewewed (over the phone in Spanish) with the School Board...all 19 of the board members.
They warned me of Mexico's laws, because at the time I had an FFL. A few of the board members were ranchers who said I could hunt on their land, but only with them, and their firearms/ammo.
Glad I live in the good ol' US of A!
Geno
They warned me of Mexico's laws, because at the time I had an FFL. A few of the board members were ranchers who said I could hunt on their land, but only with them, and their firearms/ammo.
Glad I live in the good ol' US of A!
Geno
Ridgerunner665
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He didn't lose either...he died proud, fighting for what was his!
He fought hard, alone, and not because he was afraid...likely knowing the whole time that he was gonna die right there.
He didn't lose...because a man with that resolve cannot be defeated!
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mljdeckard
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That's a philosophical debate. I shoot to live, I carry because it's better than letting myself get killed. The nobility in standing your ground is outweighed if your family has to do without you now.
Deus Machina
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Sometimes it's better to choose your own time and fight your way to the grave, than it is to be run off your home and what you believe in.
If only there were more like him.
If only there were more like him.
oerllikon
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Wow, that was one brave dude. Honestly, I probably wouldbe fled, I dont have a ranch, and I dont really have a whole lot to my name. I probably wouldve tried to ambush them from some more cover than a house with easily penetrable walls, etc. Maybe he didnt want to be on this earth anymore, and he didnt want some scumbags taking his property
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doc2rn
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What I wouldnt have given to have been on overwatch there!
Guys, he was 77. Rather than leave and wait to die, he protected his property, his life, and his beliefs, in one noble end.
We only see what was - 4 dead and 2 injured. How many lives did this man save by killing evil men. How many robbers and murderers will think twice after hearing this story? How many men will do right and defend others knowing that this man gave his life to protect his property, knowing he might die?
This man won his fight, dead or not. Good men who die combatting evil do not die in vain.
We only see what was - 4 dead and 2 injured. How many lives did this man save by killing evil men. How many robbers and murderers will think twice after hearing this story? How many men will do right and defend others knowing that this man gave his life to protect his property, knowing he might die?
This man won his fight, dead or not. Good men who die combatting evil do not die in vain.
mljdeckard
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Or, it is just as likely that the bad guys will be inflamed, more brutal, take fewer chances, and bring more guys to the next job.
FourteenMiles
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So freaking cheesy. This is not a movie, there are not always "winners" and "losers", though, he is a "winner" in my book.
I wish i had known the man. Its sounds like he could have tried to get out of dodge, but he chose to draw a line in the sand. I respect that. A lot.
I'm reposting this story to my facebook page and emailing it to my Dad - Don Alejo should get that much, at least.
Theres a lot to be learned from this. Reminds me of the Andrew Jackson quote "One man with courage makes a majority."
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
I'm reposting this story to my facebook page and emailing it to my Dad - Don Alejo should get that much, at least.
Theres a lot to be learned from this. Reminds me of the Andrew Jackson quote "One man with courage makes a majority."
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
ArfinGreebly
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Some day, $DEITY permitting, I will be 77.
By that time, all my current grandkids will be adults.
I wonder, should the time come, if I would have the sand to stand my ground, knowing it would be my last sunrise.
I wonder, should the time come, if the other 77-year-olds would have the same resolve.
Those who would take what is yours, who would confiscate whatever they please with impunity, who have no regard for the law at any level, count on the effectiveness of intimidation to make unnecessary the extra work and mess of having to pay in blood and personnel for their conquests.
Should the day come, the oldsters would have little left worth looking forward to. I wonder how many of them would be willing to pay in full to make the costs of seizures unacceptable to the predators.
There's a certain romance in standing your ground to the bitter end. One would never know, however, whether the sacrifice had secured the safety and liberty of family and community. And in any case you know there would be pain and grief for those left behind.
There comes a moment when, in the face of evil, one gets to choose whether evil rides free or pays dear. Evil hasn't much stomach for hard work and costly confrontations. When enough good men stand their ground, evil must seek its pleasure in another place or time.
Still, I wonder if I would have that resolve.
Some day, $DEITY permitting, I will be 77.
By that time, all my current grandkids will be adults.
I wonder, should the time come, if I would have the sand to stand my ground, knowing it would be my last sunrise.
I wonder, should the time come, if the other 77-year-olds would have the same resolve.
Those who would take what is yours, who would confiscate whatever they please with impunity, who have no regard for the law at any level, count on the effectiveness of intimidation to make unnecessary the extra work and mess of having to pay in blood and personnel for their conquests.
Should the day come, the oldsters would have little left worth looking forward to. I wonder how many of them would be willing to pay in full to make the costs of seizures unacceptable to the predators.
There's a certain romance in standing your ground to the bitter end. One would never know, however, whether the sacrifice had secured the safety and liberty of family and community. And in any case you know there would be pain and grief for those left behind.
There comes a moment when, in the face of evil, one gets to choose whether evil rides free or pays dear. Evil hasn't much stomach for hard work and costly confrontations. When enough good men stand their ground, evil must seek its pleasure in another place or time.
Still, I wonder if I would have that resolve.
Kaeto
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Vaya Con Dios Caballero!
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