7th-grader takes middle school students hostage with knives!!!

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I posted this on another forum and unfortunately the moderator termed it "Off Topic". However, in my opinion, there are several pertinent points to consider, especially in the wake of the VT murders and the political posturing which has occurred in the aftermath. Specifically, this involved:
1) a school
2) a 7th grade student perp
3) multiple potential victims, none of whom were able to "get away"
4) 'weapons' readily available to anyone, obviously serving more than one potential purpose (cutting steak, opening mail, cuttin' folks for the perp)
5) 'weapons' which do not have tracking devices, stamps, FFL forms, rules governing their transfer

Despite the fact that no one was hurt or killed, this could have ended much worse.

I use this example to illustrate the example that guns are not a necessary ingredient to repeat the tragedy at VT, despite the conclusion that guns are to blame. (This is not meant to be about Ebay, but as an aside, I do not see Ebay condemning the sale of steak knives.) Here is the link:

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=117103

sorry for the broken link - should be up and running now.
 
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Well, Let's Look At It

7th-grader charged with taking middle school students hostage
by The Associated Press

IRWINTON - Authorities in Wilkinson County say a seventh-grader armed with two steak knives held six fellow students hostage this morning but was disarmed and arrested 45 minutes later.

Officials say the boy brought the knives into Wilkinson County Middle School at about 7:50 a.m. and trapped six students in a classroom with him. But a female student was able to escape and notified a teacher.

Principal Aaron Geter says teachers cleared the hallways of students while he negotiated with the boy, who was using his body to block the door.

The principal said Irwinton and Wilkinson County law officers arrived within minutes. The officers, prinicpal and teachers tried to persuade the boy to surrender.

Wilkinson County Sheriff Richard Chatman said officers and Geter were able to trap the boy between the door and the wall and disarm him.

The boy's name was not released by authorities because he is a minor. His family previously lived in Savannah and Oklahoma City, and had only been in Wilkinson County for a couple of weeks.

Chief deputy Heath Bache said the boy will be charged with carrying a weapon on school grounds, false imprisonment and terroristic threats and acts.
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Well, couple of things come to mind.

Teacher fails to pick up on kid's state of mind. Not that surprising in today's contexts, but still, this kid isn't right.

Kid charged under terrorism statutes? That's a stretch. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he's not part of a known terrorist organization.

So, the pertinent things seem to be that:
1) you can commit assault in a school without needing a gun,
2) the application of "terrorism" definitions seems to be pretty flexible.

Gun control point: it's not the gun; the kid proves you don't need one.

Legal point: if I'm reading this right, you can wind up charged with terrorism if someone gets terrified.

Which might be a point worth noting for people who have decided to open carry to make a point in an area where it's legal but in which the "social climate" is timid and against OC. While I'm pretty sure it wouldn't stick (you're doing something perfectly legal) that doesn't mean some uber-zealous agent of .gov won't try.
 
Geeze, I guess the "don't fight back" thing is really cemented :(

I had a kid pull a knife on me on the way to school one time. I called his bluff (didn't act scared) and he backed down. I think we got along fine after that - I dunno what his problem was that morning :rolleyes: All the boys carried knives, and that was the only time I ever saw one used improperly.

My thought is: "don't bring a knife - or even two - to a 'six kids bashing you over the head with chairs' fight" ;)
 
Gun control point: it's not the gun; the kid proves you don't need one.
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As was pointed out several times around the VT shooting
The worst school killing in our history did not involve a gun at all
 
Umm.....Baaaaaaa. Way to raise young sheep. He should have gotten a bat or chair upside the head in 3 seconds. It is kinda scary that they can pull terrorism out of a hat whenever they want to. Just another reminder that the Patriot Act is anything but.
 
No, "terroristic threats" is much older than modern day "terrorism" (as in, islamic terrorism). Those charges have been around since probably the 30s or 40s, it's when you make, terroristic threats, like if you were to walk into somewhere and menacingly say you are going to kill everyone there, you'd be charged with it, whether you're part of a terrorist organization or not.

Really, yes, the Patriot Act is bad, but just cuz you see "terroristic threats" somewhere doesnt mean he's going to Gitmo, or they are treating it as an Islamic terroristic threat.
 
Ban all knives, nothing else makes sense. For the children and all that.

The root of this is as some of you have mentioned; the ingraining of the mentality to just sit there, never fight back. Our schools are ruining this country.
 
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