870 in 20, 26" or 28"?

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ArmedBear

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Local shop has Expresses on sale cheap, 20 Gauge 28". They feel long and skinny to me; I'd rather have a 26". It seems there are a good number of used Wingmasters out there in 20, with 28" barrels, too. It seems an 870 is one of the best ways to get close to 6 lb. for upland hunting without breaking my already-broken bank (damn milsurps -- ought to be a law against them selling those things ;) ).

What gives? Does anyone have experience with 28" barrels on 20 Gauge receiver guns? Am I off-base?

I have an 870 in 12/28", a trap gun in 12/34", and an 1100 in 12/28" & 30", so I'm not a short-barrel fanatic or anything. The 28" just feels "off" on a 20, to me.

Any thoughts, oh shotgun gurus?
 
28" is my preferred "everything" length.

While I prefer longer bbls even 32" - 34" , and one can mount gun to face from low gun just as fast as a shorter barrel, not all guns come with bbls this long.

Remember too, receivers differ ~ 2" b/t Repeaters [pumps/ semi -auto] and O/U, SXS. So a 28" O/U is about the same as a 26" repeater.

For me, the mounting is smoother to face, the swing is more steady and true and the follow thru is "followed thru" more consistent with a longer barrel.

Less perceived lead with a longer sighting plane too. Granted I really do not "see" the barrel, and the bead? Umm, on purpose many guns do NOT have any beads or anything to sight with.

Students and new shooters never really even thought about how long the barrel was on 20 ga guns I used to instruct them. I used 20 ga in 1400, 1100, Beretta 303, 1300, 870s.

Now kids, well they are not big enough for some things, they know this, and all they want is to treated like the human being they are, and 23" bbl guns , like on Bird guns English stocked worked great!

I mean kinda hard to handle a 28" barreled gun when the gun is bigger than you. :D **

Now for more "brush" type hunting, shorter barrels do not get hung up on vines or have trees grow immediatley and impede "thunk" swing on a birds [ trees do that you know :p ]

**Kids.
1400 is the softest shooting semi. I like the 20 ga version best. Got a granddaughter shorter than that new 1400 in 20 ga. Gun is taller that granddaughter.
"When you get as tall as that gun, that gun is yours. Now understand it may still a bit for you to shoot all by yourself".

Well me being me, and grandpa and I being as we could be.
'Uncle Steve, that is a pretty gun and I know I have to wait, but I really want it to me mine now".
I get this soulful eyed little lady, just tugging heart strings.

Okay , I got an idea.

Folks cannot see from a certain angle, so I get a lady in [strike] crime [/strike] to assist.

Primer only hull, shooting sticks and the little granddaughter "looks" like she is actually holding that 1400 up all by herself. I'm standing near, I pull a low 6 and target breaks [ lady shot at sound of primer and busted target from behing low house].

Granddaughter is beaming, still playing it cool. Grandpa and others see this and...

Well sometimes losing a gun is not a bad thing. :D

Had to tie a knot in the gun case carrying strap so the little lady would not drag the ground carrying it Grandpa's car.

"Grandpa, you can keep MY gun at your house and borrow it anytime you want".
:p


I stay in trouble, got lots of practice.
 
Bear in mind, I want the gun specifically for flushing birds at relatively close range, moving fast in random directions.

If I want a smooth swing at longer range, I'll use the 30" barrel on the 1100.:)

Given that, do you still think a light, skinny gun that's 48" long is really preferable to one that's a hair shorter?
 
What kind of bird if I may ask and define "close cover" please.

Yep - It sounds to me short, and snappy is better for you for this than longer and smooth.

Here in the South we have a variety of cover. We used to have quail near where I am currently.
Deer hunters "brush hunting" , and I mean thick brush, use Lever Action 30-30s as some cover is so thick and shots that close, a Slug from a shotgun is best.

26" barreled shotgun can be way too long. So many use 23" Bird guns with slugs, or 18.5" to 20" shotguns for deer and other "concerns".

Birds , rabbits same cover. One person said deer and rabbit down here reminded him of woodcock back home. One is "snap shooting" more so than sustained or swing thru lead.

Here is , IMO, where again the Combo shotguns shine. These combos with 26"/28" bbls and a rifle sighted shorter bbl.

That shorter bbl works great for deer, and HD, and even though many like me do not like sights on a "bird gun" - the darn thing works for real close, tight cover.

See we have up some mean critters out where the thick cover is. Hawgs, I mean , mean suckers, in that thick cover while hunters are going after deer, swamp rabbits, or to a clearing where birds might be, a Hawg run up onto to you, or a Bear, or a Dope heads. Not the time for a gun to whack a tree, or get caught up in vines, briars, growth. I mean I have been up onto a fallen tree, I could hear the Hawg, I could NOT see the Hawg, and I'm taking looking straight down and no more than 10 steps. I stay put real well. :)

This is why a lot of folks use - same ideas as Dangerous Game hunters use, short barreled shotguns, like coach guns. NO optics, no sights , reliable, not affected by seeds in action ...just "right there" and fell game.

Yes they carry slugs while bird hunting. Hear a bird dog yelping for help and cannot see but hear a Hawg, matters get tense, and serious, and slugs replace birdshot real fast.

Armed Bear,

You are learned and have lots of knowledge. You are a shooter and shotgunner, I respect your experience, and postings.
You have the correct basic fundamentals down pat, you practice and continue to .
You know about sustained, pass thru and snap shooting techniques and when to apply the technique for task.

Just remember Dwell Time on Semi's, 23" seems to be the shortest bbl to go to. Pumps and S/S are not affected by Dwell Time in keeping the gun running...only restriction is the legal bbl length and total length of shotgun.

Browning's 20 ga B-80 [ forgot bbl lenght, pretty sure 23"] , Rem 20ga English stocked Bird gun in 23" bbl are great, proven guns. They do shoot slugs very well if need arises.

You know about Pumps, and Coach Guns.

You are more aware of game, cover and all yiour way than I am, but if "tight" I have no problem with a 20 ga coach gun or Steven's 311.
Nor do I with bone stock 18.5 " - 20" gun.

Only thing I want personally is some choke or options for choke. Cyl bore is fine, if patterns and slug show to do so in patterning or grouping.

My personal thought has been on a single bbl gun, having "near" mod POC is real versatile, use chilled shot to open up pellet load #1, hard shot for load #2. Slugs tend to group better for me with some choke [IC-ish to Mod -ish]

Two bbl gun offer other choke combo options. Also one is liable to tote, more than shoot, you alluded to that in Original Post.

You know all this, just fun to kick around and share.

I am curious to learn from you the bird/ game, habitat and methods used. Oh the shotgun and loadings as well.

:)

Steve
 
Well, thank you for the flattery, though I think it's surely undeserved.:)

What we have here are large bushes, and some tall grass, chaparral country. Quail and doves pop out, sometimes apparently from nowhere. They rise up, and often they fly just over the bushes, then drop again.

I was skunked last year repeatedly with a 28" 12 Gauge 870 because I just didn't get it to my shoulder fast enough. The length/weight of the gun would be a compromise between carrying it for several hours on foot, fast shouldering, and enough swing to shoot mostly pass-through.

The brush doesn't (usually) snag the gun, but it does provide good cover for birds!
 
Back when I hunted quail much more than at present,Bear, I used short barreled shotguns frequently. To this day, I think a riot barrelled 870 has much to recommend it on small bird, small shot, close to medium range opps.

But, I'd bet my favorite gland I can do as well with a longer barrel, though not a 30" trap tube weighing 2.25 lbs.

The differences? Me, primarily. And, my guns, chokes and loads tend to fit both the mission and me better.

I handle shotguns better and mayhap even faster. My synapses are in better order, and if age has slowed me, it hasn't by much. The shotguns I use are chosen for the mission. The TB works great for trap and Wobble, but I like something more nimble for crossers.

I've a hunch that a 20 gauge WM would work for you at this if the stock fits and maybe a little weight added under the pad to move the balance back a hair. That may be easier and O/A better than bobbing the barrel or buying one.

FYI, the 20 ga YE here is shootable with its 21" barrel, but it's skittish and sensitive. You may want to try one just for the sake of comparison.
 
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870 28 gauge with 21" barrel with aftermarket external knurled chokes
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870 28 gauge with 23" barrel with aftermarket external knurled chokes
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I'm thinking about picking one up too, just because a nearby shop has a good sale on them( I think? $239 after rebate, is that a good price?), and everyone needs an 870, right?:D I'm planning on 12ga-26" since that appears to be a versatile combo.
 
Have you looked at the Express Youth model??

21'' barrel--with choke tubes----sweet little gun.

I can't stand long barrels---every shotgun I own(except for the Walmart Fausti 28'' that I got real cheap) has the shortest barrel available from its respective manufacturor.
 
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Razorburn, that's a good price. Buy at least one. Everyone needs a few 870s.
 
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