930 SPX Vs. M4 Super 90
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Smitty in CT
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Eagle1899 said:
Not particularly... they are tools, if they are not taken care of or set up properly they will not function properly. If you don't practice and train with your weapon(s) and know that they will perform when they are called upon then you shouldn't be using that weapon.
I used Mossbergs in the military, that's what I was trained on, that's what I know, am I biased, partially, I own a few of them.
Thankfully, I don't use weapons offensively anymore, I leave that to the younger guys (and their M4's), I do use 930SPX to play games and stay somewhat proficient. I would love to have a Benelli M4, and as I've stated several times, they are fantastic weapons. The problem is, I live in the real world and have real bills... $1300 is a lot to lay down for a shotgun that will perform flawlwssly, when a $550 shotgun will function just as well, albiet, without the Benelli name on the side and the tolerances are held to 0.003" instead of 0.001".., for my money the Benellis are not worth it. If you can afford it, good for you, if you want to buy me one, I'll send you the address of my FFL
I would have gladly entrusted my life to the 930SPX when I was in the service. My SPX is used as a defensive weapon and I do trust my life to it...
I don't give trust blindly, I have tested the gun and it has not failed, even once....
Smitty
Lucky
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You all notice that Eagle works very very hard to avoid saying anything definite, as to what he does to make Moses proclamations, and can't even name one specific part or operating function that he find problematic?
Eightball you were shooting with a broken gun?
Eightball you were shooting with a broken gun?
Lucky
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Eagle, you're probably a nice guy, but I was looking at these 930 and 935s and other places have only read people positively glowing about their wonderful reliable simple shotguns, that cost less than tickets to a Vegas show.
And you have made half your post-count in this thread, typing one-liners that resemble things a used car salesman would say.
I think you could have valuable information, but it won't help anyone if you don't share it with us. Why don't you tell us how you came to develop your dislike for these shotguns, with as many specific details as possible?
And you have made half your post-count in this thread, typing one-liners that resemble things a used car salesman would say.
I think you could have valuable information, but it won't help anyone if you don't share it with us. Why don't you tell us how you came to develop your dislike for these shotguns, with as many specific details as possible?
Mossberg safeties fail, often. The extractors fail. The trigger groups fail, often enough to replaced service wide, twice. The ejectors come unscrewed, causing a stoppage. The anodizing wears though quickly and salt water does very bad things to the reciever. The shells stops lose shape. I could go on.....
They do not handle abuse.
They do not handle abuse.
PT92
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Would I prefer a Porsche or Chevy. Of course the former but I can only afford the latter. That being said, the Chevy will serve the same transportation purpose as the more expensive Porsche absent the exorbitant costs. Same scenario applies here--Value for the dollar compels me to take the Mossberg even though I would rather have the Benelli M4. I really don't feel I am losing much if anything at all by taking the 930 SPX.
Now, if you really want a scatter gun that beats both of these, I say get a Saiga 12 tweaked out. I think it beats a tube gun if you are interested in competioton. If not, stick with an affordable semi or even a good pump.
-Cheers
Now, if you really want a scatter gun that beats both of these, I say get a Saiga 12 tweaked out. I think it beats a tube gun if you are interested in competioton. If not, stick with an affordable semi or even a good pump.
-Cheers
kimberfan
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Canadian Government 1946
Lucky,
From your tail piece...
When I lived in Ontario, moved there in 1968 from Australia, I joined a Gun Club, and met a really nice Gentleman, Bert Bush, he was the big wheel for years in what was then called, The Ontario Handgun Association.
Bert was an Intelligence Officer in the second World War, demobbed in 1946, a senior government pundit, not an elected official, one of the back room boys, in the "Thank you for serving" speech, here is your cheap suit, and good by. Said, "Our aim is to disarm the Canadian public, who do not need guns, within the next ten years!"
They are still trying!
A quick story with Bert, he knew I was into this new found craze, IPSC, and shot a .45 Colt, he came off the range, indoor club... Canada aye! and showed me his .45 National Match pistol "Do you know what could cause this wee click in the trigger, just prior to the hammer falling?"
I pulled it apart, and showed him this tiny burr in the half moon cut that the disconnect traveled in on the under neath of the slide "Polish that out, you will fix that" He thought I was a gun genius! What I did not tell him that a friend of mine, and myself, had spent hours and hours, finding that self same fault on my old Colt!
Grand old chap. (75F in the house with the windows open Lucky!!)
Lucky,
From your tail piece...
When I lived in Ontario, moved there in 1968 from Australia, I joined a Gun Club, and met a really nice Gentleman, Bert Bush, he was the big wheel for years in what was then called, The Ontario Handgun Association.
Bert was an Intelligence Officer in the second World War, demobbed in 1946, a senior government pundit, not an elected official, one of the back room boys, in the "Thank you for serving" speech, here is your cheap suit, and good by. Said, "Our aim is to disarm the Canadian public, who do not need guns, within the next ten years!"
They are still trying!
A quick story with Bert, he knew I was into this new found craze, IPSC, and shot a .45 Colt, he came off the range, indoor club... Canada aye! and showed me his .45 National Match pistol "Do you know what could cause this wee click in the trigger, just prior to the hammer falling?"
I pulled it apart, and showed him this tiny burr in the half moon cut that the disconnect traveled in on the under neath of the slide "Polish that out, you will fix that" He thought I was a gun genius! What I did not tell him that a friend of mine, and myself, had spent hours and hours, finding that self same fault on my old Colt!
Grand old chap. (75F in the house with the windows open Lucky!!)
Grunt
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Excuse me? I was one of those 03 Grunts (0331 to be exact) and never had a problem with a Remington or Mossberg. A lot of us never cared for the "speed-pump" feature of the Winchester 1200 (never seen or heard of the 1300 being used in either the USMC or USAF) but they also didn't give us any functional or performance problems. Yes, civilian Mossbergs have a plastic safety button that can and does break but it's a $10-15 fix for a metal one that doesn't break.
Personally, all of my shotguns are pump guns and I have no expereince with either the Mossberg 930 or Benelli M4 but if you think I'd have a problem with a Mossberg or Remington, you are VERY mistaken!
earlthegoat2
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If you want my opinion every Benelli out there, fine gun they may be, are all over priced and one of the worst values going in the shotgun world. Im not a fan of the Mossberg autoloader either but at least you get what you pay for with that one.
Security Shotgun
My 500A was second hand from B&H, $89.00 Ex Orange County SO, FL.? still has the bar code on the receiver (and a bit of light rust, no extra charge) came with the steel safety,you can still see the red paint. Plastic furniture.
We put SECURITY in 1-1/8" letters on the Butt Stock, reflective tape, white,
Security Company owned duty weapon.
Flawless performance, shoots to point of aim with slugs, low velocity, all we use.
A picture is worth a thousand words? (crossing a dark parking lot, Definitely!)
1/ Is there a pistol grip full stock available, Chote? Love the one on my 870.
2/ Can you get a jumbo safety for the Mossberg, like the one on my 870?
Thank you in advance. I am more a Glock person, not very shotgun literate!
My 500A was second hand from B&H, $89.00 Ex Orange County SO, FL.? still has the bar code on the receiver (and a bit of light rust, no extra charge) came with the steel safety,you can still see the red paint. Plastic furniture.
We put SECURITY in 1-1/8" letters on the Butt Stock, reflective tape, white,
Security Company owned duty weapon.
Flawless performance, shoots to point of aim with slugs, low velocity, all we use.
A picture is worth a thousand words? (crossing a dark parking lot, Definitely!)
1/ Is there a pistol grip full stock available, Chote? Love the one on my 870.
2/ Can you get a jumbo safety for the Mossberg, like the one on my 870?
Thank you in advance. I am more a Glock person, not very shotgun literate!
Gunnerpalace
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I like both,
I would get a Benelli thought, I handled one today, handled good, it was 1500.00 I told the dealer that they were selling for 2000+ on Gunbroker, Man I feel like an idiot.
Anyway that is from what I saw, I'm a fan of the pistol grip.
I would get a Benelli thought, I handled one today, handled good, it was 1500.00 I told the dealer that they were selling for 2000+ on Gunbroker, Man I feel like an idiot.
Anyway that is from what I saw, I'm a fan of the pistol grip.
My vote: Benelli M4
I’ll preface this by saying I am a “buy American” person. I own both a Mossberg 930 SPX and a Benelli M4 Super 90. And I have to say that the Benelli M4 is completely superior to the Mossberg 930 SPX. Some people make the Chevy to Cadillac comparison. I’d say it’s more like Kia to Mercedes. When you hear the saying ‘you get what you pay for’. Its true, especially in reference to these two. It seems like Mossberg was in a rush to get out a tactical semi auto. They ended up farming out the production of their pistol grip stock and mag extension to Choate. What you get is ill fitting mismatched parts. The forend on the Mossberg feels like you can just rip it off at any time and sort of flexes when you put pressure on it, and just feels cheap. Of the first 50 rounds I shot through it, 15 mis-fed. I don’t think this all can be attributed to a breaking in period, because even 15 out of 50 seems high.
The Benelli M4 on the other hand, you get exactly what you’d expect, an extremely well constructed and engineered piece of machinery. I know it cost more than twice as much as the Mossberg 930 SPX. But honestly, I’d rather have complete confidence in my home defense weapon than always second guessing it. Also I am completely satisfied with everything else about this shotgun.
I’ll preface this by saying I am a “buy American” person. I own both a Mossberg 930 SPX and a Benelli M4 Super 90. And I have to say that the Benelli M4 is completely superior to the Mossberg 930 SPX. Some people make the Chevy to Cadillac comparison. I’d say it’s more like Kia to Mercedes. When you hear the saying ‘you get what you pay for’. Its true, especially in reference to these two. It seems like Mossberg was in a rush to get out a tactical semi auto. They ended up farming out the production of their pistol grip stock and mag extension to Choate. What you get is ill fitting mismatched parts. The forend on the Mossberg feels like you can just rip it off at any time and sort of flexes when you put pressure on it, and just feels cheap. Of the first 50 rounds I shot through it, 15 mis-fed. I don’t think this all can be attributed to a breaking in period, because even 15 out of 50 seems high.
The Benelli M4 on the other hand, you get exactly what you’d expect, an extremely well constructed and engineered piece of machinery. I know it cost more than twice as much as the Mossberg 930 SPX. But honestly, I’d rather have complete confidence in my home defense weapon than always second guessing it. Also I am completely satisfied with everything else about this shotgun.
Youngster
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I'm a big Benelli fan and even I don't think they're the greatest values, nor do I find the M4 particularily desirable, but that said I'd go with one any day over an SPX.
missouri dave
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I'm interested in purchasing a HD shotgun and am considering these two as well as a few others. I've never handled or shot either one of these. For the mossberg fans, is it ACTUALLY a better shotgun or is it that the benelli is so EXPENSIVE? Thanks for the help.
PT92
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Missouri Dave,
The Mossy is not "better" gun than the M4 but it is a better value for the dollar in my opinion. For me, the Mossy is the Camaro and the M4 is the Corvette. If money is no object get the M4 (of course, you will also have to pay extra for the extended mag tube) but if it is, go with the 930.
-Cheers
The Mossy is not "better" gun than the M4 but it is a better value for the dollar in my opinion. For me, the Mossy is the Camaro and the M4 is the Corvette. If money is no object get the M4 (of course, you will also have to pay extra for the extended mag tube) but if it is, go with the 930.
-Cheers
Benelli M4 much better than SPX
Newton, the Benelli M4 is a great firearm. Shoot one or put one next to the SPX and honestly, no comparison. Do a search online and everyone absolutely loves the M4. And in response to PT92, I would say the SPX is not a better value. In my opinion its cheaply made and Mossberg cut a lot of corners in producing them. Get a Benelli M4 and you will never regret it. It is an awesome shotgun. I really do not understand why an American company can not make a semi-auto shotgun with the same quality as a Benelli.
Newton, the Benelli M4 is a great firearm. Shoot one or put one next to the SPX and honestly, no comparison. Do a search online and everyone absolutely loves the M4. And in response to PT92, I would say the SPX is not a better value. In my opinion its cheaply made and Mossberg cut a lot of corners in producing them. Get a Benelli M4 and you will never regret it. It is an awesome shotgun. I really do not understand why an American company can not make a semi-auto shotgun with the same quality as a Benelli.
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Ok, I had to sign up and comment on this topic when I saw it. I see lots of mall ninja stuff going on in this thread so let me set the record straight.
My shooting buddy owns the Benelli M4 and I own the Mossberg 930 SPX. I have shot both and done maintenance on the mossberg. Both shotguns were shot using Federal Reduced Recoil Slugs.
The benelli has many rounds through it and I believe was used when my friend bought it. The mossberg was brand new.
My take on the benelli:
-First impression, you know you are looking at a high quality shotgun when you look at it. The machining is very nice with smooth operation, I just loved watching the action cycle. The sights were identical to the mossberg 930 spx. The trigger felt nice to me. The benelli perfomed flawlessly for me and my shooting buddy.
My take on the mossberg:
The mossberg 930 spx as stated before had the same sights as my buddy's M4 so those were the same, no big deal. The action to the mossberg was chunky and stiff. The shells took a little oomph to get into the magazine tube. Was it clunky and stiff due to being brand new? Who knows but time will tell. The trigger also felt nice to me. The mossberg perfomed flawlessly as well. I did feel like the mossberg had a tiny bit more accuracy though but not much more than the benelli. On a side note the first two rounds of my glock 34 stove piped and never malfunctioned again after that (break in period of 2 rounds?) so I like to think that the mossberg 930 spx is more reliable than my glock.
Maintenance was rough on the mossberg due to it being parkerized, took me quite a bit of oil to get it to where I wanted it...then the finish soaked up the oil...so I had to keep adding. The mossberg was very easy to disassemble even with oily hands (one good thing about a parkerized finish I guess) and required no tools for basic cleaning. There are some parts at the bottom of the barrel in front of the gas piston assembly not labeled in the owner's manual and can not be removed as far as I can tell...not sure how I am going to clean that other than surface cleaning.
To sum it all up:
-If you like buying expensive cars so everybody can see you then chances are you want a Benelli.
-If you like driving your old truck because it still works and has never broken down on you and gets you where you need to go then you would be happy with the Mossberg.
-If money is no object to you and you want the best money can buy then you probably will not get the Mossberg or the Benelli, there is stuff even better out there.
-If you demand precision engineering in your guns then get a high end 1911.
My shooting buddy owns the Benelli M4 and I own the Mossberg 930 SPX. I have shot both and done maintenance on the mossberg. Both shotguns were shot using Federal Reduced Recoil Slugs.
The benelli has many rounds through it and I believe was used when my friend bought it. The mossberg was brand new.
My take on the benelli:
-First impression, you know you are looking at a high quality shotgun when you look at it. The machining is very nice with smooth operation, I just loved watching the action cycle. The sights were identical to the mossberg 930 spx. The trigger felt nice to me. The benelli perfomed flawlessly for me and my shooting buddy.
My take on the mossberg:
The mossberg 930 spx as stated before had the same sights as my buddy's M4 so those were the same, no big deal. The action to the mossberg was chunky and stiff. The shells took a little oomph to get into the magazine tube. Was it clunky and stiff due to being brand new? Who knows but time will tell. The trigger also felt nice to me. The mossberg perfomed flawlessly as well. I did feel like the mossberg had a tiny bit more accuracy though but not much more than the benelli. On a side note the first two rounds of my glock 34 stove piped and never malfunctioned again after that (break in period of 2 rounds?) so I like to think that the mossberg 930 spx is more reliable than my glock.
Maintenance was rough on the mossberg due to it being parkerized, took me quite a bit of oil to get it to where I wanted it...then the finish soaked up the oil...so I had to keep adding. The mossberg was very easy to disassemble even with oily hands (one good thing about a parkerized finish I guess) and required no tools for basic cleaning. There are some parts at the bottom of the barrel in front of the gas piston assembly not labeled in the owner's manual and can not be removed as far as I can tell...not sure how I am going to clean that other than surface cleaning.
To sum it all up:
-If you like buying expensive cars so everybody can see you then chances are you want a Benelli.
-If you like driving your old truck because it still works and has never broken down on you and gets you where you need to go then you would be happy with the Mossberg.
-If money is no object to you and you want the best money can buy then you probably will not get the Mossberg or the Benelli, there is stuff even better out there.
-If you demand precision engineering in your guns then get a high end 1911.
I'm curious how many of the Mossberg haters actually own and shoot a 930 SPX regularly. I do.
Mine has been a dependable, accurate weapon. The ghost ring sights are fantastic. Mine feeds anything I've thrown in it, including 7.5 bird loads.
Sure, I'd like to have a Benelli just like I'd like to have a Ferrari but my Dodge truck and my Mossberg 930 SPX both get the job done just fine.
Mine has been a dependable, accurate weapon. The ghost ring sights are fantastic. Mine feeds anything I've thrown in it, including 7.5 bird loads.
Sure, I'd like to have a Benelli just like I'd like to have a Ferrari but my Dodge truck and my Mossberg 930 SPX both get the job done just fine.
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