Aaryq
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Howdy, folks. During my trip to Wal-Mart, I noticed that the white boxes of Winchester ammo weren't just FMJ. I also noticed 115gr JHP's. Since it's pretty cheap and at Wal-Mart, would you/have you used this type of ammo for SD/HD?
9mm 115gr Winchester JHP
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daysleeprx
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I used to keep my 9mms loaded with it for HD. I still would, if I hadn't gotten a good deal on some Fed HST.
I never had any qualms about using it. It functioned fine in all of my guns, and I shot it quite well.
I never had any qualms about using it. It functioned fine in all of my guns, and I shot it quite well.
I'm also curious about this... they say you should run a few hundred rounds of your intended SD ammo through your gun to test it before you decide to use it for SD, but a few hundred rounds of premium 9mm JHP ammo would be quite expensive...
10 Ring Tao
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In all the tests I've seen those rounds a part of, they performed well. The design is as modern as most other current production hollow points.
If I couldn't get my hands on ranger HPs, I wouldn't have any problem carrying those.
If I couldn't get my hands on ranger HPs, I wouldn't have any problem carrying those.
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I feel pretty strongly that if one wants to be at all serious about a handgun one intends to use for SD, one should be pretty familiar with the performance of the handgun and ammo combination. I feel that a minimum for that kind of familiarity is 100 to 200 rounds of whichever ammunition one chooses.
There are three things one wants to ensure by shooting a large enough sample of the ammo to get an accurate idea of how it will perform.
1. Function. While this is more important with semi-auto due to complications of feeding, extraction, and ejection, revolvers can also be picky with ammunition. Make sure the ammo works reliably through your handgun.
2. Peformance. Does it group well with your gun? Are you getting sufficient velocities? Are you getting a huge muzzles flash due to the powders or barrel length?
3. Consistency. This is a larger concern with the lower end stuff as it seems to vary substantially from lot to lot. Is your POI the same from box to box? Do some lots feed better than others?
While it is pretty unlikely one will have to use a gun in defense and even less likely that a failure will choose that moment in time to occur, this is a pretty easy way to stay the deck in one's favor.
As far as cost, you need to figure out how much that peace of mind is worth to you. If cost if that much of a factor, you can always just buy one box of the cheapest stuff you can find and use that. It will probably go bang if you need it to and chances are highly in favor of you never needing to.
There are three things one wants to ensure by shooting a large enough sample of the ammo to get an accurate idea of how it will perform.
1. Function. While this is more important with semi-auto due to complications of feeding, extraction, and ejection, revolvers can also be picky with ammunition. Make sure the ammo works reliably through your handgun.
2. Peformance. Does it group well with your gun? Are you getting sufficient velocities? Are you getting a huge muzzles flash due to the powders or barrel length?
3. Consistency. This is a larger concern with the lower end stuff as it seems to vary substantially from lot to lot. Is your POI the same from box to box? Do some lots feed better than others?
While it is pretty unlikely one will have to use a gun in defense and even less likely that a failure will choose that moment in time to occur, this is a pretty easy way to stay the deck in one's favor.
As far as cost, you need to figure out how much that peace of mind is worth to you. If cost if that much of a factor, you can always just buy one box of the cheapest stuff you can find and use that. It will probably go bang if you need it to and chances are highly in favor of you never needing to.
10 Ring Tao
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You're looking at 6, 7, and 44.
# ... Load ...Lot # ... Pistol ... Vel. fps ... Pen. Inches... Recovered Weight
1.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-17 1,180 14.6 114.9
2.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-19 1,137 14.9 114.5
3.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-26 1,118 15.3 115.8
4.
Remington 115gr +P+ R9MM4N E29KC0403 G-17 1,329 13.2 113.7
5.
Remington 115gr +P+ R9MM4N E29KC0403 G-19 1,304 14.1 113.6
6.
Winchester 115gr jhp USA9JHP SB41 G-17 1,211 14.0 113.7
7.
Winchester 115gr jhp USA9JHP SB41 G-19 1,192 15.4 114.9
8.
Corbon 115gr jhp +p 1122 G-17 1,424 9.6 112.9
9.
Corbon 115gr jhp +p 1122 G-19 1,360 11.0 90.7
10.
Triton 115gr +P TQTR9HVA 901568 G-17 1,389 9.6 114.0
11.
Triton 115gr +P TQTR9HVA 901568 G-19 1,446 9.8 104.9
12.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BPLE 431322T086 G-17 1,357 10.6 109.1
13.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BPLE 431322T086 G-19 1,349 11.3 103.2
14.
Corbon 90gr jhp +p Not readable G-17 1,478 5.5 43.9
15.
Corbon 90gr jhp +p Not readable G-19 1,450 5.74 39.5
16.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BP 22155V064 G-17 1,259 13.0 110.5
17.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BP 22155V064 G-19 1,268 13.4 111.6
18.
Federal Hydra Shok 124gr P9HS3G1 43Q223T155 G-17 1,174 Over 18.5 121
19.
Federal Hydra Shok 124gr P9HS3G1 43Q223T155 G-19 1,137 Over 18.5 122.1
20.
Speer Gold Dot 115gr jhp 53614 23619 G-17 1,200 Over 18.5 110.7
21.
Georgia Arms 115gr +P G9MMF NA G-17 1,275 Over 18.5 114.7
22.
Winchester Ranger 80gr +P+ RA9DF 6PH72 G-17 1,603 Over 18.5 80
23.
Winchester Silvertip 147gr X9MMST147 20257 G-17 970 Over 18.5 141.6
24.
Winchester Silvertip 147gr X9MMST147 20257 G-19 932 Over 18.5 141.5
25.
Remington 147gr bonded GSB9MMC J30NC0501 G-17 1050 Over 18.5 139.6
26.
Remington 147gr GS9MMC unreadable G-17 960 16.1 136
27.
Federal 147gr jhp 9MS 23480V255 G-17 947 Over 18.5 138.6
28.
Powermax 115gr +P 1B23/A G-17 1,404 Over 18.5 108.7
29.
Pro Load 124gr +P 03013 213470401 G-17 1,236 Over 18.5 119.8
30.
Federal 95gr SP 9CP 244911558 G-17 1,457 Over 18.5 94.8
31.
Federal EFMJ 124gr +P P9CSP1 240323X321 G-17 1,080 14.3 119.9
32.
Remington 124gr GS GS9MMB P29LC1236 G-17 1,089 Core 16.1 115.9
33.
Federal 124gr Hydra Shok P9HS1 NA G-17 1,080 15.7 123
34.
Brown Bear 145gr hp A919RHP N040701 G-17 1,111 Core 14 39.5
35.
Triton 115gr QSHP TR9QSA 101422 G-17 1,429 9.6 94.7
36.
Powermax 147gr +p 1B28/A G-17 1,105 15.4 138.6
37.
Mullins 115gr +p 9A 11499 G-17 1,398 12.5 108.5
38.
Mag Safe 60gr Defender 9D NA G-17 1,693 8.7 35
39.
Mag Safe 52gr Agent MS9 NA G-17 2,153 10.0 49
40.
Speer Gold Dot 147gr 23619 23619 G-17 1,050 17.5 136.3
41.
Corbon 125gr +P 09125/20 200110-2 G-17 1,248 10.5 112.3
42.
Corbon 125gr +P 09125/20 200110-2 G-19 1,239 10.1 118.0
43.
Triton 135gr hi Vel TQTR9HVE 111401 G-17 1,207 9 119.6
44.
Winchester 147gr USA9JHP2 smudged G-17 977 16.9 124.9
45.
Corbon 147gr +P NA G-17 1049 15.8 126
46.
Mag Safe 50gr Mini Glock 9MG NA G-17 1,184 4.5 34
47.
Federal Hydra Shok 147gr P9HS2 32P109R059 G-17 926 17.0 127
48.
Winchester Ranger 147gr SXT RA9SXT PB71 G-17 1,006 15.0 131.5
49.
Winchester Ranger 147gr SXT RA9SXT PB71 G-19 982 16.4 127.8
# ... Load ...Lot # ... Pistol ... Vel. fps ... Pen. Inches... Recovered Weight
1.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-17 1,180 14.6 114.9
2.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-19 1,137 14.9 114.5
3.
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9SXTP 20892 G-26 1,118 15.3 115.8
4.
Remington 115gr +P+ R9MM4N E29KC0403 G-17 1,329 13.2 113.7
5.
Remington 115gr +P+ R9MM4N E29KC0403 G-19 1,304 14.1 113.6
6.
Winchester 115gr jhp USA9JHP SB41 G-17 1,211 14.0 113.7
7.
Winchester 115gr jhp USA9JHP SB41 G-19 1,192 15.4 114.9
8.
Corbon 115gr jhp +p 1122 G-17 1,424 9.6 112.9
9.
Corbon 115gr jhp +p 1122 G-19 1,360 11.0 90.7
10.
Triton 115gr +P TQTR9HVA 901568 G-17 1,389 9.6 114.0
11.
Triton 115gr +P TQTR9HVA 901568 G-19 1,446 9.8 104.9
12.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BPLE 431322T086 G-17 1,357 10.6 109.1
13.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BPLE 431322T086 G-19 1,349 11.3 103.2
14.
Corbon 90gr jhp +p Not readable G-17 1,478 5.5 43.9
15.
Corbon 90gr jhp +p Not readable G-19 1,450 5.74 39.5
16.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BP 22155V064 G-17 1,259 13.0 110.5
17.
Federal 115gr jhp 9BP 22155V064 G-19 1,268 13.4 111.6
18.
Federal Hydra Shok 124gr P9HS3G1 43Q223T155 G-17 1,174 Over 18.5 121
19.
Federal Hydra Shok 124gr P9HS3G1 43Q223T155 G-19 1,137 Over 18.5 122.1
20.
Speer Gold Dot 115gr jhp 53614 23619 G-17 1,200 Over 18.5 110.7
21.
Georgia Arms 115gr +P G9MMF NA G-17 1,275 Over 18.5 114.7
22.
Winchester Ranger 80gr +P+ RA9DF 6PH72 G-17 1,603 Over 18.5 80
23.
Winchester Silvertip 147gr X9MMST147 20257 G-17 970 Over 18.5 141.6
24.
Winchester Silvertip 147gr X9MMST147 20257 G-19 932 Over 18.5 141.5
25.
Remington 147gr bonded GSB9MMC J30NC0501 G-17 1050 Over 18.5 139.6
26.
Remington 147gr GS9MMC unreadable G-17 960 16.1 136
27.
Federal 147gr jhp 9MS 23480V255 G-17 947 Over 18.5 138.6
28.
Powermax 115gr +P 1B23/A G-17 1,404 Over 18.5 108.7
29.
Pro Load 124gr +P 03013 213470401 G-17 1,236 Over 18.5 119.8
30.
Federal 95gr SP 9CP 244911558 G-17 1,457 Over 18.5 94.8
31.
Federal EFMJ 124gr +P P9CSP1 240323X321 G-17 1,080 14.3 119.9
32.
Remington 124gr GS GS9MMB P29LC1236 G-17 1,089 Core 16.1 115.9
33.
Federal 124gr Hydra Shok P9HS1 NA G-17 1,080 15.7 123
34.
Brown Bear 145gr hp A919RHP N040701 G-17 1,111 Core 14 39.5
35.
Triton 115gr QSHP TR9QSA 101422 G-17 1,429 9.6 94.7
36.
Powermax 147gr +p 1B28/A G-17 1,105 15.4 138.6
37.
Mullins 115gr +p 9A 11499 G-17 1,398 12.5 108.5
38.
Mag Safe 60gr Defender 9D NA G-17 1,693 8.7 35
39.
Mag Safe 52gr Agent MS9 NA G-17 2,153 10.0 49
40.
Speer Gold Dot 147gr 23619 23619 G-17 1,050 17.5 136.3
41.
Corbon 125gr +P 09125/20 200110-2 G-17 1,248 10.5 112.3
42.
Corbon 125gr +P 09125/20 200110-2 G-19 1,239 10.1 118.0
43.
Triton 135gr hi Vel TQTR9HVE 111401 G-17 1,207 9 119.6
44.
Winchester 147gr USA9JHP2 smudged G-17 977 16.9 124.9
45.
Corbon 147gr +P NA G-17 1049 15.8 126
46.
Mag Safe 50gr Mini Glock 9MG NA G-17 1,184 4.5 34
47.
Federal Hydra Shok 147gr P9HS2 32P109R059 G-17 926 17.0 127
48.
Winchester Ranger 147gr SXT RA9SXT PB71 G-17 1,006 15.0 131.5
49.
Winchester Ranger 147gr SXT RA9SXT PB71 G-19 982 16.4 127.8
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glocktoberfest
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thanks 10 , great info .
Aaryq
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Wow. That chart good to go. Thanks everyone for your replies.
Best as I can tell looking through a magnifying glass, the 115gr USA JHP is the same as the 115gr Silvertip without the silver color and it seems to perform the same in all of the internet-posted tests that I have seen. Usually it costs HALF as much per 50 as Silvertips do. So I can afford 500 rounds.
I would feel fine using it in a home defense or the usual civilian torso to torso scenario. That being said, I only load it when I run out of 124gr +P Gold Dots. I think that a more modern design like Gold Dot will perform better under a wider range of scenarios.
Adam
I would feel fine using it in a home defense or the usual civilian torso to torso scenario. That being said, I only load it when I run out of 124gr +P Gold Dots. I think that a more modern design like Gold Dot will perform better under a wider range of scenarios.
Adam
Sheldon
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I think the "silver tip" ammo is an aluminum jacketed bullet. Presumeably the aluminum is softer and would be expected to expand easier........not sure if that's been proven or not.
Sheldon, for sure the 9mm silvertip rounds no longer have aluminum jackets and haven't since the early 80s Changed to copper due to barrel fouling with the (relatively) high velocity round. In fact I think that all of the silvertip rounds have finally been converted to copper with the recent redesigns.
Adam
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check if they have remington umc 115 jhp they're cheaper at my walmart.they are relativly hot chronoed just under 1200 fps,and functioned ok for me.maybe a little dirtier than wwwb.that said if they are accurate and reliable thats the important thing.
Donut
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All I can say, is that with WWB jhps at $15 for a box of 50, and HST's being $19 for a box of 50... that choice is pretty clear.
And for cheap SHTF ammo, the Remington UMC 115-grain JHPs are $20 for 100.
In my mind, that makes the choice pretty easy.
And for cheap SHTF ammo, the Remington UMC 115-grain JHPs are $20 for 100.
In my mind, that makes the choice pretty easy.
Donut
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Which is why the cheap stuff is last-line stuff.
Federal HST is inexpensive enough to have a decent supply on hand for carry, but I dont have the $$$ to stock up it as SHTF ammo. The Remington and Winchester "cheap" ammo makes it easy on the pocketbook to keep a quantity on hand, just in case.
As for the helmet analogy... thet's make that a bit more accurate. A $10 helmet for a $10 head, but after a certain point, helmets stop being safer and the extra money is for comfort features... Forced air, aero, lightweight composites, etc.
Federal HST is inexpensive enough to have a decent supply on hand for carry, but I dont have the $$$ to stock up it as SHTF ammo. The Remington and Winchester "cheap" ammo makes it easy on the pocketbook to keep a quantity on hand, just in case.
As for the helmet analogy... thet's make that a bit more accurate. A $10 helmet for a $10 head, but after a certain point, helmets stop being safer and the extra money is for comfort features... Forced air, aero, lightweight composites, etc.
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