9mm Berry 124gr HBRN-TP with HP38

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I've been poking around looking to figure out my 9mm load with Berry's 124 grain HBRN-TP bullet. Looking at Hodgdon's load data for jacketed bullets (I know this isn't jacketed, but with the thicker plating it's closer to jacketed and the consensus is to load based on mid level jacketed data). Here's the load I'm considering:

Bullet: Berry's 124gr HBRN-TP

Powder: 4.6 grains of HP38

OAL: 1.090"


What do you guys think about this load?



Thanks,

Warner
 
I load their normal 124 gr rn with 4.1 gr of 231 and have had excellent results. Not sure what my OAL is off the top of my head. You may even be able to step that down a bit if you wanted to.
 
It should work just fine loaded to 1.120/5 OAL. 1.090 is pretty short and will raise pressures. I would back off if you load it that short.
 
I loaded them at 1.142 (+/- .002), but that may be a bit long for some guns. Dunno, but I recommended 1.120/5 for that reason. It is what I load 115 RN at, and feeds in everything I have. So does 1.142 though.
 
CZ's are supposed to have short throats, but my CZ 75 handles the Berrys 124 Gr HBRN TP and the X-Treme 124 Gr RN loaded to 1.142 with no problems. I suspect you will have no problem whatsoever with the Carbine. Never heard of that problem with them, just how well they shoot.
 
The 124HBRN with a long graceful nose, will run at any length within saami stds. in a CZ 75.

I like 1.135"

If you run a Berry's 124RN bullet you can use the exact same oal with the same results with the 124HBRN. The exact amount of lead added to the bullet body length is taken from the hollow base, so the case volume "under" the bullet hasn't changed.
They are the same bullet with the lead moved around, but the 124HBRN has thicker plating.
 
Walkalong said:
CZ's are supposed to have short throats, but my CZ 75 handles the Berrys 124 Gr HBRN TP and the X-Treme 124 Gr RN loaded to 1.142 with no problems. I suspect you will have no problem whatsoever with the Carbine. Never heard of that problem with them, just how well they shoot.
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Thanks for all the replies, Walkalong. It sounds like 1.135 will be a good compromise. I'm sure the carbine will be fine with that. And yes, it IS extremely accurate for a pistol caliber. My son was hitting 3" balloons every time from 70 yards with it, which to me is plenty accurate for a plinker.

Thanks again,

Warner
 
Okay...so I'm going with 1.135" OAL and somewhere between 4.4-4.6 grains of HP38 (have to see what the options are with the different Lee powder disks). That should give me a nice 9mm load for the carbine. Thanks again to everyone who participated in this thread. You guys are awesome, as usual.

Warner
 
Here's my initial range report when I compared the 124 gr HBRN with my reference 115 gr FMJ load using W231/HP-38 - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7217193#post7217193

Berry's - 124 gr HBRN
To satisfy my curiosity of HBRN performance at lower charges, I did a small batch of 3.8 gr loads.

3.8 gr 10 Yards - 0.5" groups with a flyer, very light recoil and did not cycle the slide

4.2 gr 10 Yards - 1.5" average, light recoil
4.2 gr 15 Yards - 2.5" average, light recoil

4.5 gr 10 Yards - 1.5" average, mild recoil
4.5 gr 15 Yards - 2.0" average, mild recoil
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Here's my initial follow-up range report using different powders [4.8 gr charge of W231/HP-38 was noted with recoil of (5) for comparison] I should do some follow-up range tests and add slower burning powders to the comparison - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869
Bullseye - 3.5 gr and 3.8 gr:
The 3.5 gr load produced light recoil (3) and 2.0" shot group! When I shot the 3.8 gr load, it produced mild recoil (4) and shot group just over 1.0"!

Titegroup - 3.8 gr and 4.0 gr:
3.8 gr load produced mild recoil (4) and 2.5" shot group (I pushed the last shot so I could have gotten a smaller group). 4.0 gr load produced similar felt recoil (5) of 4.8 gr W231/HP38 load and 1.5" shot group.
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bds said:
Here's my initial range report when I compared the 124 gr HBRN with my reference 115 gr FMJ load using W231/HP-38 - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7217193#post7217193




Here's my initial follow-up range report using different powders (I should do some follow-up range tests) - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7266869#post7266869
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Thanks bds. I had read your report during my research of the load (before I posted my question). I was wondering if anyone had tried the 4.6 grain load that I'm considering.

Thanks again,

Warner
 
If you reference the 1999 Winchester load data for 124 gr FMJ, 4.5 gr of W231 is listed as max powder charge which I used for my range test as the longer hollow base seats the bullet base deeper in the case. Current Hodgdon load data lists 4.8 gr for 125 gr FMJ at 1.090" OAL, so if you are using longer 1.135" OAL with 124 gr HBRN-TP bullet, you should be fine load testing to 4.6 gr. I have shot enough of the loads to now feel comfortable using max jacketed load data for HBRN-TP bullets (which are rated to 1450 fps).

I have both 115 and 124 gr HBRN-TP bullets, I should do another comparison test using both bullet weights at higher powder charges.
125 gr Sierra FMJ W231/HP-38 .355" OAL 1.090" Start 4.4 gr (1009 fps) 24,600 CUP - Max 4.8 gr (1088 fps) 28,800 CUP
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Yeah...I was basing my load off of the Hodgdon data.....

Thanks,

Warner


I'll see tonight which powder disk throws a charge nearest what I'm looking for.
 
My Pro Auto Disk .43 hole drops 4.5 gr of W231/HP-38 on my Ohaus 10-10 (which was also the reason why I load tested at 4.5 ;)). Disk hole .46 drops 4.8 gr for me.

There may be slight variations lot to lot, but hope that helps with your near max load testing.
 
bds said:
My Pro Auto Disk .43 hole drops 4.5 gr of W231/HP-38 on my Ohaus 10-10 (which was also the reason why I load tested at 4.5 ;)). Disk hole .46 drops 4.8 gr for me.

There may be slight variations lot to lot, but hope that helps with your near max load testing.
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Fantastic bds. I'll definitely start there (and probably END there, too!). Haha.

Thanks again,

Warner
 
I've loaded a lot of the 124 HBRN at 1.135" using 4.1 grs of Vit n320, and they run great.
4.1grs gives me 129.4 PF out of a CZ 75B.
This is the best load for me.

I use the LEE Pro-Disc powder system and modify and renumber the holes for loads I plan to keep. My Vit n320 4.1 hole is now hole number "49.5". This "new number" still works with the chart for any powder.
Discs are $5 each. With one extra disc, I have FOUR NEW HOLES for my GO-TO bullet loads.
 
bds said:
My Pro Auto Disk .43 hole drops 4.5 gr of W231/HP-38 on my Ohaus 10-10 (which was also the reason why I load tested at 4.5 ;)). Disk hole .46 drops 4.8 gr for me.

There may be slight variations lot to lot, but hope that helps with your near max load testing.
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Well....you were right bds. My .43 powder disk hole dropped 4.5 grains of HP 38 as well, so I'm basically using the load that you used for your test. Thanks again!

Warner
 
1SOW said:
I've loaded a lot of the 124 HBRN at 1.135" using 4.1 grs of Vit n320, and they run great.
4.1grs gives me 129.4 PF out of a CZ 75B.
This is the best load for me.

I use the LEE Pro-Disc powder system and modify and renumber the holes for loads I plan to keep. My Vit n320 4.1 hole is now hole number "49.5". This "new number" still works with the chart for any powder.
Discs are $5 each. With one extra disc, I have FOUR NEW HOLES for my GO-TO bullet loads.
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Good tip, 1SOW.....

Warner
 
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