gudel
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another caliber war. What the hell, buy them all, I did.
and then you didI like them all, so I definately have no desire to go (where this easily can) into a knock down, drag out, "mine is better than yours"... All three calibers have advantages and disadvantages when compared with the others.
here are my reasons for my changeover:
marketing got you again, do you have any evidence,didn't think so. You herd it some where and now you are repeteing it as fact.male bovine fecal matterWith .40S&W out of any common barrel size, and .45ACP in standard (4+") barrel sizes, even the most marginal defensive JHPs have pretty decent performance. In a short barrel .45ACP loses this advantage, but .40S&W keeps it, so in a short barrel I definately choose .40S&W over even .45ACP.
.Hard barrier penetration (walls, doors, car doors, windows): The higher velocity rounds (9mm and .40S&W) have a significant advantage in this area over the .45ACP. The 9mm has a disadvantage for military use due to no JHP the .45ACP has a disadvantage in hard barrier penetration, while the .40S&W is a nice compromise giving a larger diameter (better for FMJ only) and hard barrier penetration
Just go ask anyone in LE that uses the .40 everyday in the line of duty. You will find out real quick that the 9mm is not a better stopper then the .40!
Their are so many very lethal rounds in the .40 cal, sometimes it is hard to name them all.
If any of you gentlemen think the .40 is better then the .45 in stopping the BG, then you are living in a sheltered world.But if told me that five minutes from now 3 coked up BG were coming in my house and here ya go Paul-- your choice-- take your 40 loaded with 16 rounds of 180gr ranger t or take your .45 loaded with 14 rounds of 230gr doubletap golddots. I would have to be the one High on coke to take the .40, I am taking the .45 every time except its in my holster an my ar15s in my hand !After re-visiting this thread I just had to come back in and stick up for Finalcut. If any of you gentlemen think the 9mm is better then the .40 in stopping the BG, then you are living in a sheltered world. Also calling the .40 short and weak, is like saying the .45 is trumped by a .17 hmr. I own all three calibers. After much research, a year and a half ago I decided to get a .40 and learn to shoot it well. It was the hardest caliber of the three to learn to shoot well for me. But well worth it. Just go ask anyone in LE that uses the .40 everyday in the line of duty. You will find out real quick that the 9mm is not a better stopper then the .40! Their are so many very lethal rounds in the .40 cal, sometimes it is hard to name them all. In reality the .40 and .45 are much closer to each other in stopping power. I still prefer the .45 because I shoot it better. But if told me that five minutes from now 3 coked up BG were coming in my house and here ya go Frank-- your choice-- take your 9mm loaded with 18 rounds of 124gr +p or take your .40 loaded with 16 rounds of 180gr Ranger T. I would have to be the one High on coke to take the 9mm, I am taking the .40 every time!
Statement attributed to a SEAL officer.
"Two to the Chest one In the head, what difference does caliber make?"
That is the same SEAL's who have not seen any reason to lay down their SIG 9mm's. They have the HK 45acp in inventory, but none of them use it anymore per several SEAL friends of mine. 2 of them are retired from the Navy now and both carry SIG 228's only available in 9mm.
Once more. With feeling.
If you think caliber is the answer, you really don't understand the question.
Go figure.
Fred
I agree with you, but I dont think its a fair comparison. Most civilians are taught specifically not to shoot for the head, and many LE's are taught the same for different reasons.
Given all that info, is the only reason LE agencies are going to 40 from 9mm to achieve more consistent expansion, and the only reason they are not going to 45 is because of expense and less rounds per magazine?
I have searched and I have read the internet reports, the FBI reports, and quite a few articles.
Ditto.This has turned into a caliber war. Request the mods to close this thread down.
Only reason I won't ever be getting a 1911 is because the guns are too big for my hands. I can hold it, but my finger has to stretch to the limit to pull the trigger, which doesn't help accuracy, and it's impossible for me to work the safety or the magazine release with my primary hand.
If it's a problem for me, I'm sure it's a problem for some others.