a 14 year old's HUGE weapon cache found

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The mother bought a gun and it was in her house - so?

Nope, 2 guns were at another house, taken their by the teenager without his mothers knowledge.

That would be a bad thing for the mom I'm afraid.

I think this whole incident fails to pass the smell test.

I agree but now they have her on a legitimate charge so she's toast.

This is why you don't let anyone in without a search warrant and you don't answer questions without an attorney present.
 
I'm reading and re-reading this and can't find where they kid did anything wrong! The mother bought a gun and it was in her house - so? The kid was "turned in" by some other kid - so? Maybe this other kid was just trying another bullying tactic. The DA says there was no attack emminent nor was there any planned - so? What'd they get him on - day dreaming? I think one of the other posters has it just right - they busted the family, realized they screwed up and now there's trumped up charges being thrown about.

I think this whole incident fails to pass the smell test.
what the kid did wrong was invite another kid to help him kill people at his school, and make a few explosive devices (basically pipe bombs).
 
What the kid did wrong....

He talked to his friend about carrying off an assault (according to another poster). That, and the fact that he had a HP 995 (the only 9mm rifle that HP makes), is getting iffy.

9mm is a pretty common and cheap. He might know someone who has 9mm ammunition, or he might get someone to buy it for him at Wally world. (he is 14, he probably knows an 18 yo or two).

It is easy to say "assault", because it was included in H.R 1022:

H.R. 1022: Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007
 
Like I said, this is a case where the parent should have been all over the situation.
 
The mother pressed charges against the boy two years ago for assault would that be a domestic violence charge? .....anyway, then two years later she goes and buys him a firearm? Gimme a break ...... Why hasn't any of the press actually come out and admitted that the bulk of the weapons in the pictures are relative toys? Because they are reporting what the LEO/DA is saying. Now, if a LEO/DA can't tell the differance between an airsoft and a real firearm, they would be pretty embarrassed (at least I would be) to have to admit it. I guess all we can do is keep pestering the news folks for accuracy and details, they usually love conflict!
 
Checked most of the news channels this morning and they are still reporting the kid had a weapons cache and neglecting to mention most of them were airsoft guns. I did find one site on the web reporting everything was airsoft except for a 9mm and two .22s purchased for the kid by his mother. If true, this means the mother is in some deep, deep, s---! There is at least one and maybe two statements on the firearms registration form stating the weapon is being purchased for the buyer's exclusive use and not for another party. Your signature also acknowledges that if you knowingly lie on this form you are subject to prosecution. How dumb does a person have to be to purchase firearms for a 14 year old to possess without supervision?
 
From Fox News during an interview with the DA the host (Shepard Smith I believe) said that one of the "guns" had........

"a laser scope" :scrutiny:

Cool where can I get one of these are they in the 50 watt range, and provide .00001 MOA, I think I should stop watching Fox News. :rolleyes:
 
Can I offer a different take? While not all school shootings, or "pre"shootings are the same, in a lot of them- Columbine being the most prominent- bullying is a factor. MSNBC mentioned that the boy was taken out of the school for being bullied. Eric Harris and Dillon Kliebold were bullied mercilessly as well. Now, being bullied does not justify murdering your fellow classmates, but in all honesty why does nobody ever investigate the bullies? You have to be bullied pretty damn bad to want to go back and shoot up your classmates. Moreover, why aren't the bullies, the ones who antagonized the kid, held to account? Not everyone in the world has the same capacities to deal with teasing. Moreover, teasing nowdays isn't like it was in the old days- it's no longer to get a simple rise- often, it's just to be horrifically mean just for the sake of hurting somebody else. We've reached the point where just telling a bully to "f- off" doesn't make them go away. A really bad bully can no longer be expelled. If the student reports a bully, they are accused of "snitching" and ostracized by their peers. If a kid is called, "weird" or "faggot" by their peers, the school counselor tells them to "embrace difference". I don't think all school shooters are "mentally ill" as the media labels them. Moreover, when a potential shooter, someone who is bullied mercilessly, sees a previous shooter labeled as mentally ill, what is he to think of himself? "Well, I'm teased, I think of hurting those who hurt me... oh God... I'm mentally ill... well, only one thing to do now I guess..." Nobody grabs the kid and say, "buddy, you're fine, the other kids are being jerks, it'll be ok..." Of course, one can't do that anyway, because it won't be ok, because nobody EVER deals with the bullies any more.

With the large increase in school shootings by students, one really needs to look at the situation... they can't ALL be mentally ill. I really believe that bullying plays a VERY large role in this. I think the reason behind the reluctance of parents to address this is that no parent wants to admit to themselves that their kid was the bully that antagonized the assailant to the point that he shot up his classmates. "Oh, my Jimmy is captain of the football team, he could never be..." wanna bet? "Oh, my Claire is on the yearbook committee, she could never..." uh-huh, girls can be worse than boys. Here's a notion... maybe some of the other parents should police their children. When growing up, I was told not to make fun of others. Granted, we all slip, but I was never party to outright mockery or slander. I think until the other-side of the coin is addressed, we will continue to see an increase in the number of shootings.

We had the same number, same type, and easier access to guns 30-50 years ago and nowhere NEAR the number of school shootings...
 
I think you're right on the money Prince Yamato. I agree with you 100% - let's get to the root cause of the issue. Granted - this kid was only fantisizing (maybe) but the parents did remove him from the school because he was being bullied. What did the school do? Did they question why he was being home schooled or did they welcome one less child in a classroom? I think you have the right take on the issues. As far as the mother purchasing a couple other .22's and he storing them at someone eles's house - that is a problem, especially if she knew about it.

Maybe when you and I grew up (I'm assuming we're similiar in age) our parents were more in tune with what we did. We also didn't have a bunch of video games which glorified violence and killing. These games today distort reality. Ut oh - here I go - kids today don't play outside. They stay in and play video games, living in their own little worlds. We used to get a bunch of kids together, and a game of baseball sprung up. One team won - the other lost. Yup - really - we had a winning team and a losing team. We actually kept score too! If we lost we felt bad and tried harder. Sometimes we even played tag. The kind where we had to run after one another. Kids actually fell, scraped their knees and elbows too, but they got up and continued playing. Today, they sit in front of a computer, and play with annomous others in cyberspace. The gaming industry panders to kids like this kid in PA, violence is OK - no one gets hurt. dead people get up again. they're given another life - it's all in fun..... till it becomes real.
 
Gifts for your children are legal to purchase and don't constitute a straw purchase.

It may not have been a straw purchase, but under state law individuals under 18 can not possess or transport firearms, except while supervised. It's a felony to provide a firearm to someone under 18. Now, if she had bought it for his use, and kept it secured from access unless he was supervised, she's fine. If he stole it, she's probably fine. But if she provided it to him knowingly, she's got problems.

I own a youth rifle. My kids shoot it, under careful supervision. But I can't give it to them or allow them to access it without my presence, unless I want to run afoul of the law.

On the question of straw purchases, I understood them to be purchasing a gun on behalf of an individual who was not legally qualified to possess it - that is, claiming to be the "actual buyer" but then handing it off to an ineligible recipient. While the question of family is an additional wrinkle, isn't that technically what happened here? I'm not arguing, I'm asking.
 
Is that the law in PA? It's only 16 here to own/carry a gun without parental consent. Those under 16 can do so also but need parental consent...
 
AntiqueCollector, yes, I quickly Googled it and in PA age 18 is the cutoff (unless you are with an adult, and being supervised, and doing something legal like hunting, or target shooting).

It raises an interesting question - where is the "moment" that a purchase becomes a straw buy? I assume the element of intent must be present.
 
Okay, then I'm guessing there could be trouble over not supervising the kid but not for a straw purchase, at least not under federal laws. The purchase from what I can tell was not what would be defined as a straw purchase by the feds. Anything against the mother or child will be state law only I suspect unless the supposed "grenades" turns out to be not just hype/phoney.
 
did anyone figure out what really happened?

wow. saw a news article, it said
"assault rifle with scope, grenades, grenades -in-progress"
plus lots of BB guns

this is just making me laugh, the wealth of misinformation.

is the above .22/9mm posting right?
will we ever get any idea what was really there?

cap gun?

does seem like the kid was a nut needing a little cracking, and mom wasn't paying much attention but nice job News people for getting this wrong as possible
 
Weapons Cache

Today, MSNBC is referring to the whole collection as a "weapons cache". I guess that sounds scarier than "a bunch of BB guns". They are not drawing any distinction between these and real firearms, today. Not good. They haven't used the term "assault rifle" today, though, that I've heard.
 
The biggest problem I see is that the Kid told another kid that he was going to attack the school.

Something was amiss in this house hold. I seen the report on MSNBC this morning and she said that officers found a huge cash of weapons (Then very quietly) she said "BB Guns" You had to really be listing to hear it.

They (MSNBC) said that the mother bought the 9mm for the kid. I am not sure if she did or not but that would make it a straw purchase.

As far as the kid all he really did was make a threat towards the school. I am surprised they did not blockade the house and call in the FBI to "Smoke" him out like in Waco.
 
A parent buying a gun, as a gift, for their child is explicitly NOT a straw purchase under Federal Law.

ATF FAQ's said:
(B14) May a parent or guardian purchase firearms or ammunition as a gift for a juvenile (less than 18 years of age)? [Back]

Yes. However, possession of handguns by juveniles (less than 18 years of age) is generally unlawful. Juveniles generally may only receive and possess handguns with the written permission of a parent or guardian for limited purposes, e.g., employment, ranching, farming, target practice or hunting.

[18 U.S.C. 922(x)]

Heck, my friend buying a gun themself and then giving it to me (who is not forbidden from ownership) as a gift is also not a violation of Federal law.

A straw purchase is someone buying a gun in the place of (acting as a surrogate for) the other person, whether prohibited or not (since 1995).

The crime here, if any, is allowing unsupervised possession and use of the gifted firearm.
 
Authorities have said they do not believe an attack was imminent and are not even certain one would have occurred.

My favorite part of the article.

Who was homeschooling the boy on civics? Hope it wasn't mom.

Shut up, lawyer up, never let them in without a warrant.

If she'd taught and understood that none of this would be happening.
 
Hmm...I thought about this for a while and some disturbing things come to light.
He had videos of Columbine and a hand painted nazi flag. If he told his mother that he wanted a High Point carbine, it might be because it was one of the guns used at Columbine IIRC. Recruiting another friend and making small bombs sounds like he wanted to redo Columbine. I think little kiddo was planning something big and just happened to get caught in the first stages. Another week or two and he might have gotten another gun or two and some real ammo. Yet another reason to allow teachers with a permit to carry in school.
 
had videos of Columbine and a hand painted nazi flag. If he told his mother that he wanted a High Point carbine, it might be because it was one of the guns used at Columbine IIRC.

I bought a PS90 because they use them in Stargate SG1.
Does that mean I am planning on going to battle the Gao'uld?

I bought a Tommy Gun because I watched Rat Patrol, that mean I am gonna go fight Ze Germans in Africa?

And I once owned a Mannlicher Carcano rifle because it's what Oswald used. Does that mean I am gonna shoot a President?

He sounds like a messed up kid, and he may indeed have thought about doing something horrible but we're still not up for convicting folks for thought crimes are we?

If so Halle Berry has quite a case against me.
 
I would go along with you on this except that he tried to recruit a friend to help him shoot up the school. That is where it ceases being a thought crime. I could think about killing my girlfriend all day long and no harm would be done, but as soon as I ask a friend to help me do it I have turned thought into action. All the writings, "bombs", and videos do is provide supporting evidence that he was not kidding around.
 
I bought a PS90 because they use them in Stargate SG1.
Does that mean I am planning on going to battle the Gao'uld?

Heh... ^^^ That's a great response.

I think the only thing this kid did wrong was ask someone else to help him shoot up a school. Isn't that conspiracy or something like that?

Also, mugsie, I'm tired of people blaming video games for violence. It's been proven time and time again that there is absolutely no link between video games and violent behavior. In addition, if some 'video game crazed kid' were to attempt to do a shooting by emulating a video game, he probably wouldn't kill too many people...

There are only a handful of video games that are realistic and give you skills that carry over into real-life... and they aren't very popular because they have a very difficult learning curve. (By not very popular, i mean under 6k people or so that play regularly)
 
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