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A must-read by Peggy Noonan

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Excellent read. I have been late to recognize the damage the Bush Administration has caused, and still think we are better off than under a Gore or Kerry Administration. However, I am hoping we do much better in the future. The out of control spending should have clued me in, but immigration is where I have really felt abandoned.
 
Excellent Read

I wish our government allowed a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE" as they do in England.

This would be not only for BUSH but for the current crowd in Congress who have also broken their promises.

How can we fix our broken government? We need to clean house and start again and end the life long jobs we give these folks. Four (4) years and you are done....:)
 
I really dislike all the Bush bashing I see but this article was very well written. I was Bush all the way up to his acceptance of the amnesty bill. This is where he lost me.
 
I have supported GWB in many of the unpopular decisions that he has made. But I have to say that the man has completely lost his mind on this Imigration bill.
 
"What political conservatives and on-the-ground Republicans must understand at this point is that they are not breaking with the White House on immigration. They are not resisting, fighting and thereby setting down a historical marker--"At this point the break became final." That's not what's happening. What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition. This is sad, and it holds implications not only for one political party but for the American future."

And

"What I came in time to believe is that the great shortcoming of this White House, the great thing it is missing, is simple wisdom. Just wisdom--a sense that they did not invent history, that this moment is not all there is, that man has lived a long time and there are things that are true of him, that maturity is not the same thing as cowardice, that personal loyalty is not a good enough reason to put anyone in charge of anything, that the way it works in politics is a friend becomes a loyalist becomes a hack, and actually at this point in history we don't need hacks."

This affects us as both citizens and gunowners, in that it speaks to the various restrictive/intrusive laws and regulations brought about by the "war on terror". It's not any one particular item so much as an overall package of bits and pieces which are additive to negative impacts on our civil liberties. Her point is that they derive from tunnel vision and a certain ignorance of what the country is all about.

I have posted numerous times here that Bush is not a true conservative. He is statist. He grew up under LBJ's Great Society as the son of a government employee. My personal opinion is that the problem is more the advice of the people around him, moreso than Dubya himself. He's maybe always been, but certainly has turned into a person who's "anybody's dog that'll hunt with him."

Art
 
I generally agree with the sentiments, but I think Peggy buys into certain bits that are commonly accepted, yet whose basis is dubious.

ex:

1) Iraq....I'll just keep my peace there. Half the country sees it as an honorable necessity, the other half sees it as a scam.

2) Katrina: Again, this is a case of people not understanding federalism, or where the primary responsibilities lie. In that case, those with the most responsibility, at the state and local level, screwed up the greatest, and got off scott free, while those with the least responsibility, who screwed up the least, got all of the blame.

etc,etc, etc

While I too, have had my fill of Bush, this is going to be a very memetically unstable time, where there is going to be all sorts of misattributions and throwings out of babies with the bathwater.

For example, the last election turned primarily on conservative disenchantment with the GOP. While many on the left trumpet their triumph, they fail to understand that it was less a victory for them, as it was a defeat for the GOP, primarily do to drift from their core mission and inneptitude across the board.

As the Right turns their backs to GW in disgust, thus shattering the power of that unity, all sorts rush in to fill the vacuum, making all sorts of loud agenda driven noises that threatens to drown out the signal of the actual significance of the event.

The country is not turning Left.

The country has had enough of:

1) The GOP's ideological drift towards big government statism
2) Their inability to effectively stymy the agenda of the left and
3) Their inability to effectively carry off the bits they do get right.
 
Well said!

How can we fix our broken government? Man With A Gun

According to most estimates, there are between 75 and 80 million adult gun owners in the United States. That's more people than voted in the last presidential election. So why is it, when there are so many gun owners, that we are not the DOMINANT voting bloc in this country? August 2000 issue of “The Blue Press”

Perhaps the place to start is with the gun owners. Tough sell, though, based on some of the posts I've seen on this forum. Seems that freedom, and the attendant responsibility, is a great idea until it applies to someone "I/we" don't trust.

Then there is the "I've always voted", "he can't possibly win", "there are other issues than guns", and it goes on and on.

Don't think this is just an American phenomenon, we are no different in Canada. I've said it before, but it bears repeating. Find a candidate who will represent your interests and vote for him. Keep in mind that without guns the other interests you have can be compromised at any time. Hence the 2A
 
W. is neither stupid nor insane, just terminally immature. He is the rich boy who never really grew up. Ever day he makes that more clear.

Unfortunately, this country is not his nursery, and we can't afford any more tantrums under the guise of "it's the right thing to do" policies.

Enough.
 
W. is neither stupid nor insane, just terminally immature. He is the rich boy who never really grew up. Ever day he makes that more clear.

Unfortunately, this country is not his nursery, and we can't afford any more tantrums under the guise of "it's the right thing to do" policies.

And from what I can see, there are a LOT of candidates from both major parties who fit this just as well.

They might be different, but they're the same.

How many of the candidates would you want as a personal friend? How many would you even want to have a chat with?

Yes, there are a few. But the majority of them?
 
Nice point, Bear. Seems a life of privilege and/or politics makes for a great insulator from real life.

For example, the last election turned primarily on conservative disenchantment with the GOP. While many on the left trumpet their triumph, they fail to understand that it was less a victory for them, as it was a defeat for the GOP, primarily do to drift from their core mission and inneptitude across the board.

That will be proven false if Guiliani or McCain get the nomination, unfortunately.
 
Actually, GWB is probably a heckuva guy to toss a few cold ones back with. Does that make him qualified to run the country? In my opinion, no. We'll never know how much of our current administration's policy originates with him, but I'd bet on somewhere between "very little" and "none". We citizens will never win our country back until we get the largest monetary donors out of the race. Money talks louder than emails, letters, and faxes. When we can get corporations out of government, maybe we'll have a chance at getting back in.
 
IMHO, the thing that drives people nuts about GWB is that he doesn't care what the polls say. He does what he thinks is right.

Before the flames start, I'll say this: unfortunately just because he THINKS he's right doesn't mean he is. He compounds this problem by not explaining why he does what he does. His father made the same mistake and so insulted the voting populace that he was blown out of office when he should have won handily. GWB is taking the Republicans down with him and all we hear is excuses that have no relationship with the truth. The immigration bill is a perfect example. GWB says the problem is demagogs that are calling it "amnesty". He's overlooking the fact that lots of people are smart enough to call it what it is, and that's "amnesty".

I wish we could find someone that doesn't care about polls AND is smart enough to be right. That would be a great president.

The difference between GWB and Ronald Reagan is that Reagan surrounded himself with very competent people. GWB has not. Plus, while Ronnie didn't have a perfect presidency, he communicated.
 
I'm not sure about all the sentiments about how Bush has lost it with his position on the current amnesty bill. Bush's position has been 100% consistent since day one. He's pro immigration (legal) and doesn't really seem to mind illegal either. If you are surprised now it's because you haven't been paying attention. On this subject as well as Govt. spending, Wilsonian foreign policy, etc. to call Bush a conservative is just laughable.
 
His stance while not new was muted in the past. The biggest difference is the fact that he and his staff are now calling out the remaining 30% of his supporters and calling them unpatriotic nativists. Apparently, not wanting to admit 20 million (12 million is the low number) uneducated workers from all over the world, is just mean spirited. Of course he completely ignores that we allow over a million people to immigrate here EVERY year, more than any other country on Earth but no we are mean unpatriotic bigots for not wanting to import workers for his corporate cronies.

You know, a lot of people are still saying better him than Kerry. I am not so sure anymore, oops just threw up a little in my mouth, I mean had Kerry been voted into office we would not have lost the Senate and the House in 2006 and we would be in a stronger position in 2008 to elect a real conservative.
 
Does anyone else see Bush's moves as a smokescreen for something else?

He does what he thinks is right.
He most definately has an agenda and it definately has to do with the UN
 
Call me crazy, call me uninformed, but I believe there is validity in the unilateral construction of a New World Order. I also believe both political parties have this as an objective. Look at NAFTA, look at our Federal Courts using foreign precidents, look at our border enforcement (south and north), look at the planned expressway from Mexico to Canada and all points in between. GWB is an elitist, and a pawn in this conspiracy (thats right, I used the C word). Goals include one nation from Panama northward, a worldwide ban on gun ownership (already started in Brazil, Mexico, and Canada), and trade between members without any national barriers. This gives the rulers easier control over the many people. I know, this seems far removed, but dosen't it explain many things going on seemingly without rhyme or reason? Are we at a point in history that their plan is ready for implementation? Even in this gross oversimplification things fit our situtation. How do you stop it, if it is true? Or, is it too late?:banghead:
 
And from what I can see, there are a LOT of candidates from both major parties who fit this just as well.

They might be different, but they're the same.

How many of the candidates would you want as a personal friend? How many would you even want to have a chat with?

Yes, there are a few. But the majority of them?

Sure would be cool to have Ron Paul as an uncle!!

(Can you hear it................I can feel Art............. hovering over this very thread)
 
Goals include one nation from Panama northward, a worldwide ban on gun ownership (already started in Brazil, Mexico, and Canada), and trade between members without any national barriers. This gives the rulers easier control over the many people. I know, this seems far removed, but dosen't it explain many things going on seemingly without rhyme or reason?

Which things do you believe it doesn't explain?
 
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