Pocket Rocket
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Discharging a firearm inside city limits is a misdemeanor in a lot of places. I'm only speaking in generalities, however...maybe its not an issue where this occurred.
A NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE inside a Bass Pro shop outside Richmond, VA??
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Discharging a firearm inside city limits is a misdemeanor in a lot of places. I'm only speaking in generalities, however...maybe its not an issue where this occurred.
average_shooter
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idvandal - There seem to be some discrepancies in your account as well.
guess you've never cleaned a glock, XD, Steyr, Smith and Wesson sigma...etc
or decocked a revolver.
there are times when one must pull the trigger on a gun without the intention of fireing it. Also, dry fireing a gun (AFTER verifying without doubt that it is unloaded) is a great way of improving trigger control and gain familiarity with the gun when one cannot get to the range or simply cannot afford (or find) the ammunition with which to practice.
What about before buying a gun? Do you not want to know what sort of trigger to expect before you get to the range? I am not sure what type of guns you are in to, but lets say 1911's for example. The trigger is a big deal. If I am deciding between 2 seemingly identical 1911's and yet one has a 9 lb trigger as compared to a 4 lb on the other, guess which I am more intersted .
It is careless to TOUCH a random gun placed on a random countertop. It is more careless to then not drop the mag and check for clear. It is also true that some of the less experienced have a compulsion for pulling the trigger on every gun they see and while that is a lesson to be learned saying one should never pull the trigger on any gun without the intention of shooting it is not the lesson to be had.
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When the crack went off, there was NO notifier over the PA annoucing that everything was okay... which is what i stated again later.
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Not to mention no notification to shoppers that all is clear, nothing is wrong (i'm not saying announce what happened, just everything is fine)...
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Later Sunday I sent an email to BPS coorporate about my concerns on gun safety at the counter, which their policy is to respond within 1 business day, yet to receive an email.
I was referring to PROSHOOTER on this blog not BPS coorporate email Quote:
But hey, at least i was able to get a response from a BPS represenative on what happened.
When the crack went off, there was NO notifier over the PA annoucing that everything was okay... which is what i stated again later.
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Not to mention no notification to shoppers that all is clear, nothing is wrong (i'm not saying announce what happened, just everything is fine)...
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Later Sunday I sent an email to BPS coorporate about my concerns on gun safety at the counter, which their policy is to respond within 1 business day, yet to receive an email.
I was referring to PROSHOOTER on this blog not BPS coorporate email Quote:
But hey, at least i was able to get a response from a BPS represenative on what happened.
DHJenkins
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Where I live, it's a crime to discharge a firearm inside city limits.
As far as your other statement, I don't see what "good" came of just leaving it up to the people at the store - they didn't even take the smallest of precautions when the incident occured. This kind of thing hurts the cause of all gun owners, and the people responsible need to be held accountable for their actions.
It wasn't an accident. It was negligence. There's a difference.
ProShooter
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idvandal - I'm not sure i undertsand;were there or not during the discharge???
Yes, I was in the building when the discharge happened around 1130am, teaching a class. I was teaching a class on the other side of the second floor. I heard a sound that I believed to be a gun shot. I said to my students "I think that I heard a gun shot". They looked at each other and me and all said "nah, that wasn't a gun shot".
When my class finished at 4pm, I packed up and headed over to the Hunting Dept. as I customarily do to chit-chat with the staff. It was at that time that an employee informed me that there was a shot fired around the time that I heard it. Two of my students were walking around the gun counter and I called them over and said "see, that was a gun shot that I heard".
I'm not sure where you are confused?
Yes, I was in the building when the discharge happened around 1130am, teaching a class. I was teaching a class on the other side of the second floor. I heard a sound that I believed to be a gun shot. I said to my students "I think that I heard a gun shot". They looked at each other and me and all said "nah, that wasn't a gun shot".
When my class finished at 4pm, I packed up and headed over to the Hunting Dept. as I customarily do to chit-chat with the staff. It was at that time that an employee informed me that there was a shot fired around the time that I heard it. Two of my students were walking around the gun counter and I called them over and said "see, that was a gun shot that I heard".
I'm not sure where you are confused?
longbeard48
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"As far as your other statement, I don't see what "good" came of just leaving it up to the people at the store - they didn't even take the smallest of precautions when the incident occured. This kind of thing hurts the cause of all gun owners, and the people responsible need to be held accountable for their actions.
It wasn't an accident. It was negligence. There's a difference."
I still don't see why involving the police would have improved the situation.
It wasn't an accident. It was negligence. There's a difference."
I still don't see why involving the police would have improved the situation.
ProShooter
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I don't think its a matter of police involvement improving or not improving the situation, its just a normal thing here in Va. that the police will charge someone...happens every time that there is a ND at a gun show.
CoRoMo
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Was he the only guy in the store that went to condition level red at the sound of a gun shot?
ProShooter
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idvandal - In my old life of "badge and gun", I probably would have investigated it.
As it was, I had an unloaded gun since I dont allow live ammo in my classroom. I'm certainly not interested in bringing an unloaded gun to a gunfight, if there was one. All of the students were in agreement that what I heard was not a gun shot, so I dismissed it. I heard no screaming or anything that would make me think something was amiss. My first priority is the safety of my students. Stopping my class and leaving a relatively secure classroom (with an emergency exit very, very close by) to go out and start a fishing expedition was not on my agenda.
As it was, I had an unloaded gun since I dont allow live ammo in my classroom. I'm certainly not interested in bringing an unloaded gun to a gunfight, if there was one. All of the students were in agreement that what I heard was not a gun shot, so I dismissed it. I heard no screaming or anything that would make me think something was amiss. My first priority is the safety of my students. Stopping my class and leaving a relatively secure classroom (with an emergency exit very, very close by) to go out and start a fishing expedition was not on my agenda.
DHJenkins
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Firing someone may or may not teach them a lesson. Could be the person didn't like their job anyway.
Getting arrested, on the other hand, would definately burn in their mind that what they did was wrong/stupid and to never do it again - and it would send the same message to everyone else that works the gun counter in that store. Everyone, I might add, that just kept on trying to sell guns like nothing happened.
Knowing you can get fired for being incompetent at your job is one thing, knowing you can go to jail for it is a much better motivator.
Co-mo-fo.-- when the gun went off, i told a lady with a stroller and 2 babies to get back in the corner by the archery targets, my buddy was saying it was a percussion cap, I'm shouting it was a live f-- round and looking at the counter to asses and trying to figure out an exit strategy; sure wasn't going to try and make a break for the stairs if something was really bad going on. But to answer your question, within 5 minutes or so, small groups of people started flocking to the site, a couple minutes later a tall i'm assuming general manager comes to the incident area shaking in total dismay, then leaves for about 20 mins and returns to the gun counter, not sure to do what. The gun that was fired was still setting beside the empth casing with what looked to be a part of the bullet jacket on back shelf where the rifles are stacked. Then in about 30 mins, the older of the 2 employees involved, completed the sale of a glock to the owner of the gun that was fired. The older employee at that moment made the comment that he was getting the last 1 of that model... At that point i was like get real, and i put down what i was going to buy and headed to Greentop to buy what i was going to buy there.
griz
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FWIW, BPS is outside of 295 which circles (almost) the city. I'm not sure where the city limits are but I think the store is at least 10 miles north of the downtown area.
CoRoMo
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CoMoFo sounds kinda cool too.
ProShooter
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griz - Bass Pro is in the Town of Ashland, in Hanover County.
JohnBT
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"in the Town of Ashland" <= "Center of the Universe!"
Nope, misses by a mile or a little less.
"in Hanover County"
Yep.
Nope, misses by a mile or a little less.
"in Hanover County"
Yep.
OurSafeHome.net
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So is this another case of "inadequate penetration"?
I cannot imagine a situation in which I would voluntarily relinquish my carry weapon without unloading it, and opening it. End of story. On the other hand, I cannot envision a situation in which I would pick up a gun and not check it. When looking at a gun for purchase I frequently get dirty looks when I watch the counter guy check before he hands it to me, and I then - within 3 seconds of clerk's check - re check it.
simple_rule
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human error is what makes guns dangerous guys. you can't reduce everything to simple points of logic to remove the reality of guns are dangerous. Yeah nucluear bombs arent dangerous either. a room full of automatics arent dangerous. these devices are not only safe, but useless without humans. since a gun needs a person to be useful in the first place, the human will always add an element of danger as well as the element of utility.
if this compound is incomplete, the gun ceases to be a weapon anymore but the human is still dangerous by itself
if this compound is incomplete, the gun ceases to be a weapon anymore but the human is still dangerous by itself
ProShooter
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"in the Town of Ashland" <= "Center of the Universe!"
Nope, misses by a mile or a little less.
"in Hanover County"
Yep.
Well, Im not sure where the actual boundries of the specific Town of Ashland lie, but the store has an Ashland address, which to me puts it in Ashland.
Nope, misses by a mile or a little less.
"in Hanover County"
Yep.
Well, Im not sure where the actual boundries of the specific Town of Ashland lie, but the store has an Ashland address, which to me puts it in Ashland.
JohnBT
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Plus one of dry-firing a pistol in the gun shop. How else are you going to examine the pistol without dry-firing it?
I always make sure the counter-guy has opened the action so we can both see it not loaded and then I ask if its OK to dry-fire.
I usually stick my thumb over the firing pin, leaving a very small gap between my thumb and the hammer and then let the hammer fall on my thumb. It doesn't hurt and you still get a feel for the trigger. I don't like to dry-fire a weapon without a snap-cap in it, even if its not mine.
I always make sure the counter-guy has opened the action so we can both see it not loaded and then I ask if its OK to dry-fire.
I usually stick my thumb over the firing pin, leaving a very small gap between my thumb and the hammer and then let the hammer fall on my thumb. It doesn't hurt and you still get a feel for the trigger. I don't like to dry-fire a weapon without a snap-cap in it, even if its not mine.
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