A post-range-session epiphany

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AZAndy

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I went shooting with a friend yesterday, and took along a few things for him to try out:
Colt 1903, .32ACP
Dan Wesson Valor V-Bob, .45ACP
S&W Model 325PD, .45ACP
S&W Model 67, .38 Special
S&W Model 19 6", .357 Magnum

As I was cleaning all the above, I reflected on how I'd done with each of them that day and in the past, and was surprised to discover that out of everything I have, I really simply like shooting the 1911 the best. I'm more accurate with it and it takes the least amount of effort to shoot well for me. I got interested in revolvers in a serious way about ten years ago and have spent a lot of time with them, and can shoot a .38 about as well and as fast as a 1911 (as long as that .38 is not a snubnose), but it's a lot more work somehow. Even after tens of thousands of rounds, keeping those sights steady in double action takes some work, especially when shooting fast. With a 1911, it's not like that.

.32ACP is a fun .22LR-level experience that I can reload for, so it has that going for it. But I have serious accuracy issues with that cartridge, regardless of whether it's the Colt with its invisible sights or one of my Berettas with adequate sights. My shooting companion, who has waaaay more shooting experience than me, had the same result, and considers the .32 to just be inaccurate generally. Oddly, I do better with my KelTec P32, which I can't really explain, though not that much better. Maybe I can improve that when I finally get around to experimenting with some different loads for it, but even if I do, so what? It's still mostly going to be a fun-time plinking round, not something I'd really want to carry all the time. I don't mean this as an insult to the chambering; I'm aware that it's possible to use it for self-defense, but I can easily do better by stepping up to at least a .38, which I have plenty of.

I didn't take any .32 Long revolvers with me this time, but I've had similar accuracy problems with them-- not quite as bad, but a little over 2" at 10 yards from a rest is the very best I can do with them. Shooting offhand, single-action groups are at least an inch larger than what I can do with a 1911 (at 10 yards), and that's after doing quite a bit of load experimentation with both wadcutters and flat-nose LRN.

The .45 revolver is a hoot to shoot, especially since I put a reflex sight on it (those things really should be considered cheating!), but man... cleaning it is a pain in the butt, and fiddling around with the moonclips might be more trouble than it's worth, much as I like shooting with them.

The .357, well, yeah, it's a really great gun-- target model, original grips, all that, and it's hard to miss with especially in single action-- but I think I'm kind of tired of .357. I make my shot, read about a quarter of a book on thermodynamics, and the barrel's finally lined back up again for the next shot. Sometimes when the sights are ready to go again, my wrists go on strike and refuse to allow me to fire again. "Oh, no, you don't, buster, we're not doing that again today." As you can guess, I'm not Mr. Muscle to begin with, and my skinny wrists sure aren't getting any younger.

So I'm going to go back to focusing mostly on my 1911s in .45. I won't be getting rid of the other stuff, but the 1911 is how I started this grand handgun adventure when I got back into guns almost twenty years ago, and now I've come full circle back to them after a detour through many other designs and cartridges (in addition to what I've already mentioned, there's also .25ACP, 7.62x38R, 7.62x25, .38 S&W, 9mm, 9x18, and .380).

This wall of words isn't intended to persuade anyone of anything, and I'm sure that rational arguments can be made against any of my opinions-- but I thought it was funny that I'd started with 1911 in .45, wandered around through a forest of other stuff, and finally figured out that I'd had it right the first time, as far as my own enjoyment goes.
 
There are a great many shooters that agree with you, at least about the 1911.

I'm not one of them.

I've never been a big 1911 fan, but apparently it depends on the person. Now that you're certain of your druthers, why waste time on the rest of them ?
 
Ya, for some reason I just do better with a revolver. Sad to say I’ve never mastered my GoldCup. The only 1911 style I can shoot better that revolver is a S&W Model 52. I’m assuming it’s 1911 style by its shape. The 52 however would make any shooter better.
Isn’t the Ammo, I have several revolvers I shoot 45ACP in. Ergonomics maybe.
 
I didn't take any .32 Long revolvers with me this time, but I've had similar accuracy problems with them-- not quite as bad, but a little over 2" at 10 yards from a rest is the very best I can do with them. Shooting offhand, single-action groups are at least an inch larger than what I can do with a 1911 (at 10 yards), and that's after doing quite a bit of load experimentation with both wadcutters and flat-nose LRN.

Odd. I thought the .32 S&W was one of the darlings of the bullseye set. But then I've never owned one so I may just be going on half truths and assumptions.
 
Odd. I thought the .32 S&W was one of the darlings of the bullseye set. But then I've never owned one so I may just be going on half truths and assumptions.
It does have that accuracy reputation, but I'm sure not seeing it. Could be the guns I'm using-- they're just standard S&W revolvers rather than fancy target guns, and they're old (1916, 1923, and 1957). Maybe if I had an Olympics-style gun like a Hammerli, it would be different.
 
There are a great many shooters that agree with you, at least about the 1911.

I'm not one of them.

I've never been a big 1911 fan, but apparently it depends on the person. Now that you're certain of your druthers, why waste time on the rest of them ?

I can't disagree with any of the usual points made against them-- they're an ancient design, low capacity, can be finicky, and even the light models are too heavy. And the .45ACP is a study in anachronism; slow, heavy, and a ludicrous trajectory. So both the gun and cartridge are just like me. ;)
 
AZAndy, it’s funny, but I had the opposite “epiphany” one day. I found I was enjoying revolvers more. Trouble was I got rid of some guns that I regretted later.

I go through phases regarding the enjoyment of my guns but I keep the ones that have fallen out of favor until I am sure I am done with them.
 
AZAndy

I started out as a solid revolver man; both single action and double action guns. Mostly S&W though I loved my Ruger Sixes and my Colt Troopers MK.III and Mk.V. Had an older brother who was into semi-autos and after I awhile of shooting his guns, I was hooked! Out went the revolvers; in came the semi-autos. At the time Colt was essentially the one and only 1911 manufacturer around (Stars and Llamas were not all that common in my neck of the woods), so that's what I went with.

I marveled at how trim and sleek they were, how they operated, their potential for accuracy, and for how easy it was to field strip and clean them! While they were mainly .45s I did travel the less taken road to enjoy dallying with the occasional .38 Super along the way! When Colt use to make the barrels headspace on the rim instead of the cartridge mouth; well let's just say obtaining your goal of accurate aimed fire was sometimes an exercise in elusiveness!

Some years back I fell in with a couple of buddies who were of a similar 1911 mindset but also had a thing for single action revolvers. One of my favorites is my Ruger Vaquero and it has no problem keeping up with my most accurate 1911, a Colt Combat Commander that was part of a limited run from Colt's Custom Shop. I have at last come full circle as now I was back where I had started and loving every minute of it!
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I divested myself of all things 32 about ten years ago. Now I may have more guns in the various 32 calibers than any other caliber. The recent Beretta 81 imports are undeniably accurate as are most, certainly not all, of the 32’s that I take to the range. Try a Beretta 100 if you can find one.
 
I'm more accurate with it and it takes the least amount of effort to shoot well for me.

I think that's an excellent characterization of a very common experience. Yes, a gun with a heavy/gritty/spongy trigger can be shot as accurately as a gun with a "nice"/light/crisp trigger, assuming identical mechanical accuracy. But it's more work for the shooter to do so. It takes more self-control, more fine-muscle control, more attention... it's just more work. And if on any individual shot you fall short on the effort, the shot strays. It's just easier to move a trigger 2/10" with 2lbs of force without supplying enough sideways input to overcome the grip stabilization than it is to do the same thing when you're moving a trigger 7/10" with 10lbs of force.
 
Fifty-plus years ago, when we used to shoot one handed, I shot the best groups with the following, excluding rim-fire, best first:
  1. Colt Gold Cup National Match
  2. Colt SAA .45, 6 1/2 inch
  3. Colt Officer's Model Match, .38
  4. Walther PPk .380
  5. Colt Commander .45 ACP
Surprising?

I remember the following as the worst, worst last:
  1. Tokarev 7.62 firing 7.63 Mauser ammo
  2. Colt Police Positive Special, .38
  3. S&W Model 39--I kept it for decades
  4. Luger, 9MM--probably assembled from parts
  5. Model 1911 .45 that had been through at least one war
  6. Baby Browning .25 ACP
 
as far as my own enjoyment goes.
it's all about the trigger. who wants to "work" at shooting when you are back at "full circle" and trying to enjoy yourself. I have always enjoyed a good 1911 trigger pull and a good single-action revolver pull.

but, i'm still shooting glocks.

enjoy,

murf
 
fun to try several different firearms at a range .. funny how when cleaning, the recollection of which ones were accurate and which ones were fun to shoot seem so strikingly clear. I just started handloading for .38 Special and .32 ACP, no idea what makes either accurate or not, haven't done enough, just glad they go bang at this point. The only thing I have that I didn't see on your list is a Ruger MK2 - .22 pistol. I like to bring that so, anyone who just feels like ripping off 100s of rounds, can - with no real concern about cost of ammo at all.
 
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The only thing I have that I didn't see on your list is a Ruger MK2 - .22 pistol. I like to bring that so, anyone who just feels like ripping off 100s of rounds, can - with no real concern about cost of ammo at all.

True enough but my Beretta Model 70S is also a lot of fun to plink around with!
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The only thing I have that I didn't see on your list is a Ruger MK2 - .22 pistol. I like to bring that so, anyone who just feels like ripping off 100s of rounds, can - with no real concern about cost of ammo at all.

Sure, .22 is fun! I had a MKI about forty years ago that I put a lot of rounds through. Taking up reloading has ruined me, though-- I'd rather not own anything I can't reload for. Don't have anything in .22 nowadays.
 
Fifty-plus years ago, when we used to shoot one handed, I shot the best groups with the following, excluding rim-fire, best first:
  1. Colt Gold Cup National Match
  2. Colt SAA .45, 6 1/2 inch
  3. Colt Officer's Model Match, .38
  4. Walther PPk .380
  5. Colt Commander .45 ACP
Surprising?

I am surprised to see a PPK one level above a Commander! Never really thought of them as target pistols.
 
I am surprised to see a PPK one level above a Commander! Never really thought of them as target pistols.
They were not.

Could be that I was less inclined to flinch.

and there were other variables. The range dis not have drinking water, but it did have a soft drink machine. My favorite was Mountain Dew.

I had thought that the deterioration in my .22 rimfire targets as the sessions wore on was due to muscle tremors from the weight of my Colt Woodman Match Target pistol.

Then I read about the caffeine
 
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