A Sig for my 2nd polymer?

[Captain America]

I use to own a Glock 27, but didn't like how small the grip was and I didn't think that I should have to add a magazine extension to me able to use all of my fingers on the grip. I am going to pick up a polymer pistol along with a 1911 soon (Springfield Mil-spec or an affordable Kimber ) and I'm trying to decide.

I really like the reputation of Sigs and I think I am going to get one ... however I would like to hear a little bit more about them from folks who have shot some before I go rent one to play with. I am going to get either a Sig 220 (.45 ACP) or a Sig 229 (.40 S&W)... I need to be able to carry this pistol. I'm not sure what my feelings are on the .40 S&W cartridge. I didn't feel one way or the other while I had the glock, but I figure that if I can get a more powerful round out of the .45, then I might as well do it.

What do you guys think? I am also intrigued by the P220 and P229's variation, the SAS (they look sweet and are marketed as awesome carry pistols). Anyone get a change to use and/or carry one?

Feel free to suggest anything else that you want. I love friendly suggestions. I am already going to get an S&W M&P, soon after, too.

 

[SAG0282]

None of the SIG pistols you mentioned are polymer. The current polymer framed SIG is the SP2022, and it's predecessor was the nearly identical SP2009/2340. I have an SP2009 and it defies words.......it's that good. Solid, amazing build quality, flawless reliability, amazing accuracy.....I could go on and on. Great value too.

My 2nd pistol is also polymer and also worthy of serious consideration.....the Beretta PX4 is an excellent option and also an excellent value.

 

[Edmond]

Sig 229 (.40 S&W)...

That is one of the finest combinations out there in my very biased opinion.

I put mine through a 2 day, 1500 round LFI Advanced Handgun Skills course. I didn't bother cleaning the gun between days, oiled it a little bit and the gun was great through all 1500 rounds. I could tell that it cycled a little slower but I never had a FT feed, a FT fire, or a FT eject. I'm not trying to sound like a Sig spokesman but I when I have one of those feelings that if the fecal matter could hit the oscillator, I take my Sig. The recoil is very manageable in that package. The gun is heavier than what I would like but that's what happens without having a polymer lower (like my other guns).

 

[Navy87Guy]

Try out a Beretta PX4 Storm in either 9mm or .40 S&W, I've found the ergonomics are fantastic (for me) and the recoil and muzzle flip are minimal (at least in 9mm). They have the interchangeable backstraps and can easily be converted to decocker only (no safety). It's a great pistol.

Another polymer favoriite is the Walther P99. It comes with a traditional DA/SA trigger (AS model) or a Glock-like striker system (QA). Also available in either 9mm or .40 S&W. One of my favorite full size guns for the ergonomics. I carry the P99 Compact as my carry gun (although it has the same problem as the GLock 27 with the small grip. But for carry, I live with it).

Hope this helps.

Jim

 

[Edmond]

Try out a Beretta PX4 Storm in either 9mm or .40 S&W, I've found the ergonomics are fantastic (for me) and the recoil and muzzle flip are minimal (at least in 9mm).

And don't forget the typical Beretta smoothness in the trigger. To me, the muzzle flip and snap of the .40 was too much in the PX4. Of course, YMMV but I have no problem with the P229 in .40.

Best bet is to rent them and try them out. It'll be cheaper in the long run to do that than to buy them, try it and to find out that you don't like it.

 

[ugaarguy]

I use to own a Glock 27, but didn't like how small the grip was and I didn't think that I should have to add a magazine extension to me able to use all of my fingers on the grip. I am going to pick up a polymer pistol along with a 1911 soon (Springfield Mil-spec or an affordable Kimber ) and I'm trying to decide.

Maybe try the mid framed Glock 23 in 40 S&W. Or Perhaps a Kahr P-45 for ammo compatibility with your 1911. Just a couple thoughts. I've also like the mid frame Springfield XDs I've handled.

 

[Captain America]

If I went with a .40, it would probably be a glock, s&w m&p or a sig (I love the look of the sigs).

 

[Cousin Mike]

Not a Sig rep, but...

...You can't beat a Sig for reliability or accuracy - and I'll also go as far as to say you cant beat Sig simplicity. Even Glocks are substantially harder to field strip if you ask me... Glock = pull the trigger (which is evil in itself - seems like that causes a lot of painful accidents), calculate 1/10th of an inch to pull the slide back, pull down little notches while somehow managing to hold onto the damn thing, and slide the top off... vs. Lock the slide back, pull lever and remove slide (for a Sig). My Sig Pro is only a tad more involved.

I have to second the notion that the newer polymer Sig 2022 and 2009/2340 models defy words. This is a picture of my Sig Pro 2340 in .357Sig - I also have the .40S&W barrel and the magazines accept both rounds. It's had over 1000 rounds through it in the last 10 weeks or so, without a single hiccup of any kind. Recoil is very manageable in .357Sig or .40S&W with practice, and this thing is more accurate than I am. .357Sig has a nastier (or more fun, depending on how you look at it) flash and bang than .40, but .40 pushes my hands harder, which makes follow-up shooting a tad easier with the .357Sig for me. Came with three 12-round magazines, an extra grip and night sights, NIB for $549. Extra barrel (and the best of both worlds - .357Sig AND .40S&W) runs about $220.

My Sig P220 is just as reliable, and possibly even more accurate. I'm always talking about the 1.5-2" vertical 7-shot groups I shoot with it. One of these days I'll have to take a picture to verify that - I didn't believe they did that either... until I owned one! It's a pleasure to shoot in .45ACP, very easy on the hands due to the wider grip. I put Hogue rubber finger grips on mine because I have huge hands, but the factory grips work fine for me as well.

Thousands of rounds since Christmas, not a hiccup of any kind to speak of. Once I thought I had an issue with failure to lock on an empty magazine. Turns out it was my shooting grip - I was riding the slide stop with my thumb while firing. The frame = aluminum, which can kind of look like polymer and is very lightweight, but these things are built like tanks. Some people think they're ugly, others (like me) think Sigs are just as wonderful to look at as they are to shoot. Here's my P220:

Point being, these things work exactly how they're supposed to, and they're both a lot more accurate than you are Hard to go wrong with a Sig. It's also hard to go wrong with the .45ACP cartridge, but IMHO the .40S&W rounds are just as effective against a human attacker. I like the .357 for barrier penetration, and if you decide to go with the .40, a .357 barrel would be a great addition... Almost like getting 2 pistols in one.

Edited to add: Also, I love the decocking mechanism. I sometimes carry my 1911 cocked and locked. Although I feel secure carrying a 1911 in condition one, I feel like there's less chance of an accident carrying a Sig, decocked and ready to go. I also like the thought of not having to fumble around with (or no chance of me forgetting to engage) a safety, should I ever need it on the street.

 

[Cousin Mike]

Almost forgot...

I am also intrigued by the P220 and P229's variation, the SAS

They are incredible looking pistols, no? I'm sure that's the only difference though, is looks. If you want an incredible looking Sig, check out the Equinox versions as well. They look like works of art (to me) and sell for just over $1000. The P226 Equinox (in .357Sig) is definitely on my 'to do' list, should I be lucky enough to find one while I have a stack of hundreds in my pocket.

 

[Falconeer]

+1 on the P229

My CCW is a P229 in 357 Sig. I ran 500+ rounds (reloads no less) through it with no cleaning, no lubrication one weekend at Randy Cain's TH101 without a hiccup. If you like the 45 acp idea, check out the new P220 Carry. A shop locally has one and it's on my list when I sell my rifle.

 

[MattB]

I own 2 P229's one reverse two tone and the other is a standard referbed with night sights. I also own a P220ST in .45acp. These are my favortie 3 handguns that I own. I shoot the P229's the most accurate as they naturally fit my hands better than the P220ST. You cannot go wrong with a Sig.

 

[Captain America]

Cousin Mike, those are some sexy looking Sigs.

How well does the Sig carry for you? Have you done so for long periods of time?

 

[Cousin Mike]

To keep it simple, and not hijack the thread with my one-sided opinions and praises of Sig pistols - they're very comfortable to carry. The P220 weighs a little more, and I don't carry it anymore because I still don't have reloads available, but will definitely carry it more often once I buy extra magazines. The same thing is required to carry almost any med-full size guns, a sturdy belt and a nice leather holster. I also have a shoulder holster for the P220, which is how I personally would prefer to carry it. It's just more comfortable for me that way.

The Sig Pro is a dream to carry. You could Mexican carry it all day and forget it was there. I have a friend who is half my size who conceals it effortlessly in almost any clothing. If your t-shirt isn't tucked in, you can hide this thing no problem. Although, I have to tell you I use the slim grip - I don't know if I could say the same using that monster fatboy grip that came with it. Bianchi makes nice holsters for it for around $50-$60. Before I got one, a friend loaned me a holster for (I believe, could be wrong) a Sig P229 that fit nicely as well.

Just to be fair, however... after learning to carry a full size 1911, carrying anything else is almost effortless.

 

[outofbattery]

If you needed someone else to tell you how good they are,I'll step up and again say that the 2340 is an outstanding pistol.I don't understand why some SIG snobs treat it like the red-headed step child as it's a fine pistol, has a better trigger than any of my "classics" and is wonderfully accurate.As is the case with every gun,if it doesn't fit you it doesn't fit you but if it does,you'll have yourself an outstanding pistol.

 

[DunedinDragon]

I can tell you I'm another Glock to Sig convert. I still own one Glock 19, but I've definately become a big believer in Sigs and have since sold off all other Glocks. My inventory now consists of a P229 Equinox in .40, a P220 .45, and a GSR Revolution 1911.

You started off talking about polymer guns, yet mostly you've seemed to be most interested in the ones with the full metal frames. Part of what I determined was, in spite of the extra weight, I much prefer the feel of a full metal frame when handling the gun.

However, be prepared for one very important aspect of transitioning from a Glock to a Sig...and that's the trigger. You may end up quite discouraged the first time you go to the range and fire one. DA/SA takes some getting used to and it will definately task your aiming/firing skills more than a Glock does. That first DA pull will seem like it takes forever...and it's supposed to feel that way, but you have to be able to keep your focus all the way through that pull to be accurate, then be prepared for the SA transition for follow-up shots.

I would say it took me at least 500 rounds and two or three range sessions before that transition seemed comfortable and natural to me. I personally like it and now prefer it over both my Glock as well as my DAO Taurus Mil-Pro.

 

[Edmond]

Have you considered the DAK trigger? It is a longer pull but it is very smooth.