A word to the wise on the CZ P10 and reviews

[briang2ad]

Don't trust the reviews at all and buy IN PERSON.

The problem with that like other CZ guns in general is that they are not often carried in decent inventory for you to try the model you want at the shop even if they stock them.

If you DO find one with a good trigger, buy it. It may be the minority report.

There is only ONE review I've seen that has ANYTHING negative to say about the P10 trigger except one dealer who commented that the OR models seemed more gritty in the inventory that they saw and that they smoothed out with a hundred rounds.

I'll call Sootch out - he went as far as to say that the P10C trigger was better than the PPQ.

Here is where I will throw a football sized stadium BS flag.

I've felt many P10 triggers now and not one has been close to a PPQ much less a PDP or Canik. I've heard more than one reviewer say that they are close to a PDP. This is nonsense as a general statement.

I don't doubt that there are specimens out there that are better than the average Glock OTB. I have TWO OR models now (C and F) and the trigger sucks OTB, and the C went back to CZ and came back no different.

They were heavy, sticky, and inconsistent. 95% of the time they stick in the forward position only to break all the way to the rear, thus doubling over travel - which is counterproductive to accuracy. Neither was Glock quality. I would put ANY Glock trigger over these P10 models.

The point is this: CZ SF triggers are no different than their hammer guns - its a total crap shoot - if you order blind you are rolling the dice and the odds are against you getting one close to as good as the ones the reviewers get. I think if you added up the reviewers and put them in a category, you end up with the impression that the P10 trigger is MUCH better than a Glock and rivals a PPQ. This is utter nonsense.

I have other CZ guns and have shot many over the years and can tell you that their triggers while shootable, are all over the map. A minority are GTG OTB.

Buy in person. (I realize that 5 guys will respond that they own 4 and all are great - I get it - just a word to the wise).

 

[Smokin Gator]

My main concern is how good of a trigger can you have after having whatever gunsmith/parts work done that is available. I don't care if one stock, mass produced gun is a little worse then another. Generally the manufacturers are not putting out the best possible version of a gun but the version that hey can mass produce and sell at the most profit.
I'd rather have fewer guns but have them made into the best they can be. They should function as is/stock but I'm not expecting them to feel like they have custom trigger work done.

 

[trackskippy]

I had a P10C for a short while. Thought it was a kind of poorly done Glock copy. Im not trigger phobic, and didnt find its trigger to be bad, but it wasnt like most other guns of the type, and to me, was soft/mushy, and with no perceptible let off. You just pulled on it and it went off when it was ready.

My biggest beef with it was the lock up was off and the gun wouldnt function with a suppressor mounted, and for at least a couple of hundred rounds, it was a single shot until it started to break in. Which it eventually did, but it still wasnt 100% when I traded it off on something else. There were a number of videos on YouTube showing exactly that issue, and with the same experience, I had.

 

[CNobbe]

Had heard after buying a P-10C OR that the U.S. made guns had better triggers than the Czech guns. No idea if there is any truth to that, but my U.S made P-10 had a nice trigger, I thought. Smooth take up, no creep or spongy feel on the break. It was definitely accurate, and handled recoil well. I loved how it felt in my hand, liked the night sight setup.

The reasons I don't own it anymore are: No optic plate included, had to be purchased and mags, just have tons of Glock mags around. I decided to buy a Shadow Systems MR920 instead of another Glock, has just as good of a trigger if not better and also because no plate is needed to mount an optic. Despite being a tad lighter and a wee bit smaller overall...the MR has proved softer shooting. But, I'd still recommend a P-10, no complaints with them.

I'm really curious to try a P-10S, think it would make for a great CCW.

 

[armoredman]

Well, come on down, CNobbe, I'll even spot you the ammo. There are 6 P-10 pistols in this family, and all of them have, to me, quite decent triggers, and quite decent triggers to the owners of the other ones...however the P-10M does NOT use the same internals as the other flavors do. Have US made P-10s, as well. Original P-10C made in 2017 as well as the newest P-10F/CR. Of course, caveat, I kept the original milspec trigger in my PSA AR lower because it doesn't bother me one bit, but my son, who couldn't wait to upgrade his AR trigger, has been more than satisfied with his P-10S stock trigger. He also hates shooting it closer than 25 yards, says it's cheating.

 

[CNobbe]

Well, come on down, CNobbe, I'll even spot you the ammo.

We are definitely considering a trip to AZ this winter..haha. Glad to hear the P-10S is a keeper, I really like the size of it and the grip texture on all of the P-10s is probably my favorite of them all.

 

[Conelrad]

Had both the C and F models, the triggers were nice right out of the boxes.

Both were gifts to family members, they are very happy.

 

[sparkyv]

The triggers on my two OOB CZ "hammer guns" are very good and one was easily improved to be excellent. The trigger on my Dad's P-10, not so much, but still better than any stock Gluck I've ever shot. My CZ experience, I'm happy to say, has been way different than yours, briang2ad.

 

[jonb32248]

Any recommendations on the 75. New to the make but love the feel of the compact.I may be selling my shield plus.I know they're different size guns.

 

[czhen]

briang2ad. The problem with all the reviews, is that many get some sort of support. Therefore, the suggestion has a tad of bias, sometimes very noticeable on the videos for example.
In my case very few times my taste and grip on firearms goes along with the Youtube gurus.
Having shot the CZ for years, I can attest triggers vary a lot by model and firearm. Sometimes CZ as any other manufacturers, introduce small changes that not necessarily call for a new model.

 

[armoredman]

We are definitely considering a trip to AZ this winter..haha. Glad to hear the P-10S is a keeper, I really like the size of it and the grip texture on all of the P-10s is probably my favorite of them all.

Drop by the Casa Grande area and you can try out more than one P-10! Like I said, I'll spot the ammo.

 

[Tallball]

I liked my P10, but my FiL loved it. I'd gotten it on a super cheap deal, and we were pretty close, so I gave it to him for Christmas.

He eventually made some crazy hand loads that cracked the frame. That was a shame. It was one of his favorite pistols.

 

[JR24]

I tried a few in the shop and wasn’t super impressed, especially with the trigger.

I have a relative who absolutely loves his and raves about the trigger, so maybe it’s a mixed bag like you say.

 

[bltmonty]

I own four CZ p10s, and they are my main carry pieces. The triggers in the P10SC, P10C, and P10F were exactly the same and great out of the box. I then put the HB industries trigger in all three, and all are superior to the PPQ, which I also own (PPQ's trigger is actually too sensitive and not as intuitive). the P10M has a different trigger design, and it's not as good. Compared to the PPQ, the bore axis in the CZ is quite a bit lower and softer shooting.

 

[sisyphus]

I've handled several P10 and every single one of them had the best trigger I ever felt in a polymer striker fired pistol. It makes me mad because a) if CZ did this why aren't the rest of you getting it right?, and b) CZ why did you put such a perfect trigger in a pistol with a completely inoperable slide release? It's like they cancel each other out.

 

[JShirley]

I have a P10 c, and it has an excellent trigger for a striker fired pistol.

John

 

[trackskippy]

I much preferred the feel of the Glocks triggers over my P10C. If you focus on them, they are just cleaner and more predictable. You have an initial, somewhat firm take up that stops at what people like to call a "wall", and then a nice, clean, 5# or so break and a nice short reset.

The trigger on the P10 I had, just felt kind of mushy, all the way through to the break. There wasnt anything "clean" about it. It seemed like it was slightly lighter than my Glocks though.

 

[Riomouse911]

Any recommendations on the 75. New to the make but love the feel of the compact.I may be selling my shield plus.I know they're different size guns.

I love my CZ 75’s; Compact D, SP-01 and Shadow 2 9mm’s and 97B .45.

All but the Shadow 2 have Cajun Gun Works springs /firing pin kits in them that I installed. All work beautifully (The Shadow 2, as expected, was great out if the box.)



I thought I had a pic of the Compact but I don’t. That has a slightly heavier hammer spring, and a factory trigger reset spring, so the pulls are about 1.5 lbs heavier in both DA and SA modes.

Great guns, I think you will like it once you buy it.

Stay safe.

 

[armoredman]

If a Shadow 2 wasn't great right out of the box, I'd have some words with Kansas City...

 

[Riomouse911]

If a Shadow 2 wasn't great right out of the box, I'd have some words with Kansas City...

Yup. Its a pretty nice pistola for sure.

Stay safe.

 

[browneu]

I love my CZ 75’s; Compact D, SP-01 and Shadow 2 9mm’s and 97B .45.

All but the Shadow 2 have Cajun Gun Works springs /firing pin kits in them that I installed. All work beautifully (The Shadow 2, as expected, was great out if the box.)

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I thought I had a pic of the Compact but I don’t. That has a slightly heavier hammer spring, and a factory trigger reset spring, so the pulls are about 1.5 lbs heavier in both DA and SA modes.

Great guns, I think you will like it once you buy it.

Stay safe.

Sadly, CZ discontinued the CZ 97B. I wonder what is next on the chopping block.

 

[Riomouse911]

Sadly, CZ discontinued the CZ 97B. I wonder what is next on the chopping block.

I know, and it is still on the Ca “approved” list so anyone can buy one. Now they’re gone .

I had to go on GB to find one. Luckily the seller I bought from listed a batch of them with auctions ending every four days. The first five or six 97’s went high, well over msrp. Once those sold I got mine for a bunch less than the first buyers paid because they were in bidding wars over the early listings .

Stay safe.

 

[Mot45acp]

Sootch has never given a negative review.

 

[CNobbe]

Sootch has never given a negative review.

Gets a lot of info wrong too.