Access to hunting land, do we do it to ourselves?

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So, I was reading a blurb that mentioned that access to hunting land is a major problem in many areas due to how much is private, and I got to thinking...how many people who were making those complaints would let other people hunt their land if they had it? I’m thinking probably very few. In my mind it’s a lot like “it’s a problem until I get mine and then it’s your problem.”

Which leads me to wonder, how many people here, who never had access before and finally got their own land, allow other random people to hunt it or know someone who does?

To me, it’s a problem we do to ourselves, and I get it. Everyone wants the best hunting they can get and can be protective of it when they get it, but is it the right move? I don’t know.
 
We do let people hunt our land but they are people we have relationships with and know. Friends and family primarily. We have worked too hard on the property to let random stranger ruin it but are happy to let people we know, that will respect it and use it the way it should be, hunt the property.
 
We do let people hunt our land but they are people we have relationships with and know. Friends and family primarily. We have worked too hard on the property to let random stranger ruin it but are happy to let people we know, that will respect it and use it the way it should be, hunt the property.
I think that’s a common line of logic, and each person has their own ideas of what is proper to do.

I just can’t help but think, when my mind wanders, if that’s a major reason for limited access for a lot of people. Sure many areas have tons of public land but it’s often costly (time, money or both) to get to, to the point where it’s almost inaccessible.

That and some public land is completely surrounded by private land so getting your can be tough.
 
One time someone on here said, hunting land is easy to find but good hunting land is very hard to find.

In my world, they are both equally hard to find.

I just acquired 10 acres of land I would categorize as bad. There are deer and hogs and small game though. I don’t hunt for trophies so that is fine as long as there is enough game to fill a freezer. I’ll do a bare minimum to increase the quality of deer but that is all I care to do to that end.

On to the point though. Since my land is bad, I don’t feel the land is “precious” enough not to let a couple of fellows who also want some wild game to hunt on it. I will give them the unfettered access to hunting from opening day of bow season until the last day of the first month of gun season. That is basically Aug-Nov. They and I both feel it is an excellent deal.

I’ll get the leftovers from deer season and all the hog and small game I feel like. They will get the best part of deer season which is what they want. I hunt in MI in mid Nov so it works out.

I’m only allowing 2 people though at all. No guests, no family members and they are gone after Nov 30 not to return until Aug 1.

Back when I was searching around for places to hunt I would pitch a similar deal at landowners where I basically hunt all the off times so he could get a few others in there to get more money during prime idiot season, I mean deer season. I wasn’t getting a discount I would just have more time. Landowners never went for it though and since they were already full for the season I hit the road.

I acquired the land for my business too so there is that.
 
One time someone on here said, hunting land is easy to find but good hunting land is very hard to find.

In my world, they are both equally hard to find.

I just acquired 10 acres of land I would categorize as bad. There are deer and hogs and small game though. I don’t hunt for trophies so that is fine as long as there is enough game to fill a freezer. I’ll do a bare minimum to increase the quality of deer but that is all I care to do to that end.

On to the point though. Since my land is bad, I don’t feel the land is “precious” enough not to let a couple of fellows who also want some wild game to hunt on it. I will give them the unfettered access to hunting from opening day of bow season until the last day of the first month of gun season. That is basically Aug-Nov. They and I both feel it is an excellent deal.

I’ll get the leftovers from deer season and all the hog and small game I feel like. They will get the best part of deer season which is what they want. I hunt in MI in mid Nov so it works out.

I’m only allowing 2 people though at all. No guests, no family members and they are gone after Nov 30 not to return until Aug 1.

Back when I was searching around for places to hunt I would pitch a similar deal at landowners where I basically hunt all the off times so he could get a few others in there to get more money during prime idiot season, I mean deer season. I wasn’t getting a discount I would just have more time. Landowners never went for it though and since they were already full for the season I hit the road.

I acquired the land for my business too so there is that.

Sorta makes you wonder why there aren’t more land co-ops bought by all those hunting organizations that claim to care about us.
 
We worked long and hard for the opportunity to hunt our own land. Not gonna just give it away to a stranger. It's hard enough to keep the trespassers out, without inviting more in. For some reason people think they're entitled to hunt land that does not belong to them, the way others think they're entitled to free healthcare or other government handouts.
 
We worked long and hard for the opportunity to hunt our own land. Not gonna just give it away to a stranger. It's hard enough to keep the trespassers out, without inviting more in. For some reason people think they're entitled to hunt land that does not belong to them, the way others think they're entitled to free healthcare or other government handouts.

This is the most universally fair response. I dont let people drive my vehicles just because they ask and it is the same for my land.

Some folks get bent out of shape about rules when their hunting somewhere. Of course, you follow the rules to the letter or your gone. If you don’t like it then too bad.

Before I had a parcel, I had a few meetings with landowners who were apparently open to people hunting on their land and I got a meeting. Best I could tell anyone is they just must not have liked me because it was like I was talking to someone who was very NOT open to allowing anyone on their land. Changed my outlook a bit.
 
The property I grew up hunting is owned by family. Typically it’s only family who hunts it, but the unspoken understanding is that if someone asks to hunt then they get to hunt provided that they are respectful, don’t hunt when others are hunting, and never give us reason to run them off. If a stand was found that was not permitted before it was put up, then it became our stand after the owner had a chance to remove it (but they never bothered for some reason). The only folks I remember ever being told not to come back after being given permission were the guys who left beer cans and hunted over bait when baiting was still illegal. Others came, got a doe, got a mess of squirrel or rabbit, and kept in touch so that they could try it again later on. One guy from church asked me to take his 15 year old son, and that young man has been hunting the property for 8 years now, and has taken it upon himself to come out a few times a year and mow the grass alongside of the main access road and he has called me to let me know of downed trees that were too big for him to clean up. That young man has only killed a couple does and one small buck, but he has earned the right to hunt there, and as long as I have a say in it guys like him will be able to hunt.
 
My family has over 300K acres in Wyoming.
We let hunters in for decades with no problems, in the last 10 years things have changed.
Even with a hunter management program with the State Game and Fish, we find ourselves rounding up cattle due gates left open or fences cut because it’s too much trouble to find a gate, even solar panels that power submersible pumps vital to watering the cattle shot up.
So yes, some of you are doing it to yourselves.
 
We do partially do it to ourselves, but there is a trend in areas that border suburbs of farmers selling a 40 or two off, them a developer comes in and puts 30+ homes with @ an acre each on them, then suburbanites who 'want to move out the the country' with pastoral fantasies dancing in their heads move in, and all of a sudden the sherriff is getting calls about people shooting near them, and hunters 'behind their back yard'. They also complain about the smell of nearby slurry ponds, the animals them selves, etc. Hey, you wanted to live in the country, this is real life. The problem is is they get elected to town councils, etc. and begin to legislate the country to death.
 
I guess I'm fortunate.
Where I live if you don't own property (which I don't), there is quite a bit of public hunting land available. Now I don't care for that option either, so I choose what's behind door 2.
And that's joining a hunting lease.
We lease from the timber companies and have about 3k acres. Dues are around the $700 a year mark, but it's worth it to me. We get to treat it like private property by gating the private roads, leaving permanent stands in place etc.
 
I hunt a lot on the Ft Stewart Military Reservation. It is as good of “public” hunting land as there is. There are rules and then there are rules...and then there is Ft Stewart. The rules are nice though. It keeps people safe and keeps out the troublemakers as it is heavily patrolled by the Wardens.

I’m blessed to have it so near me as it is a royal pain for people who live far off to gain access because of in person weapon registrations and making sure all your ducks are in a row. Not too crowded except for the openers of deer and turkey.
 
I am fortunate in that a friend I served in the military with who lives on a modest parcel of land allows myself and a few other former members of our unit to hunt there. Of course, we all hunt responsibly, and assist the property owner with numerous things, not all related to hunting.
I unfortunately lost access to another nearby (literally, across a county road from me) hunting area a few years ago. I had an arrangement with an elderly widow where I would do miscellaneous "handy man" type work for her that she was unable or unwilling to do herself free of charge, in exchange for permission to set up a stand and popup blind to hunt deer in the woods behind her house. I would do things like remove deadfall from trees around her house that ended up there after storms, trim her azelias and trees, cut the grass every 2 weeks along the edges of her property where the highway goes through (the county only has the inmate labor squad do this once a year), pressure washed her entire driveway, and repaired her lawn tractor twice (replaced a flat as well as a drive belt), along with being "on call" whenever she needed any other type of assistance (like the time I told the kids to stop riding their 4 wheelers through the posted property). I even removed the carcass of a very ripe road-killed possum that ended up in her driveway. Where it went wrong was when her very unpleasant daughter came by and asked me who I was, how long I had been working for her mother, and how much I was charging her. I explained to her what our arrangement was, and that I had been doing work for her for over a year at that point. I also told her where my stand, feeder, etc. was located on the property, if she wanted to see. For whatever reason, this made daughter uneasy, and the next time I went over to clean up some tree branches that fallen in the yard, the widow told me that her daughter was suspicious that I was trying to "scam" her mother in some way, and that my services were no longer needed. As a result, the business exchange ended, and every once in a blue moon, daughter's husband (?) comes over and does a halfhearted job at cleaning up and doing maintenance for his MIL. Most of the time, the place looks like poo.
 
To me, it’s a problem we do to ourselves, and I get it. Everyone wants the best hunting they can get and can be protective of it when they get it, but is it the right move? I don’t know.

Here in my state of Wisconsin, the issue is much more complex than "it’s a problem we do to ourselves". Back in the 60s when I first started hunting, you hardly ever saw a "No Trespassing" sign. When you did, for the most part, all you had to do was stop at the farmhouse and ask permission. Back then 90% of the kids I went to school with lived on a farm with 160 acres, more or less. The land was owned to make a living, not to hunt. Farms were side by side, so with the "you let me hunt yours, you can hunt mine" philosophy, one could hunt thousands of acres. You could track a wounded deer for miles and many times the land owner would help. As a matter of fact, up until the 60s, the majority of deer in the state were not anywhere near farm land. They were all up in the northern part of the state or in the central part of the state on large parcels of forested state owned land. My grandfather owned 240 acres in central Wisconsin when I was kid and he went north to Conover every year to hunt State and Federal land, because there were very few deer on his property or on surrounding property. Same was true about the farmers around the small town I grew up in. They all went to state land for the week, because there were no deer on their property. This is why "Deer Camps" became so popular. Hunters were too far from home to go back every-night. Used to be one could not walk very far on any public land without coming across a tarpaper shack with a old rusty wood stove in the corner, and some makeshift bed frames in the other. Generally a pit outside you didn't want to step in. As a kid I would ask about bow hunting local farms and the owners would laugh and say, "sure....shoot all you want!" Once the deer adapted and moved into Ag Land and I started to success on some on these farms......things started to change. Still could hunt, most of the same farms, but some were delegated to bow only. Once the deer appeared in the southern half of the state, so did those folks wanting to buy the land, not to farm....but to hunt. Then the deer became "theirs". Then the "No Trespassing" signs began to appear and when you knocked on those doors, odds were you were told no. Price of land with good hunting went up. Farms were no longer side by side, but checkerboarded with parcels of "Recreational" land. Now. even if you had permission to hunt one farm, odds were, the neighbor would not only deny you the chance to track your wounded deer, odds were they'd jump on the bloodtrail and tag it as their own. Deer became a prize, not just food. Horns became a hot commodity, and viewed as some form of manliness. deer were not ours anymore....they became mine! Nowadays, it's hard to even find a farm. If you do, it has no woods on it. The woods was sold off because it was worth substantially more to some one from the city for hunting land than it was for farming. Cows aren't pastured anymore....they are left in loafing barns all day now. Bad feelings because of the greed over deer has made so neighbors sit on the fence and patrol their land all season now......."ain't gonna get my deer!"

Yes, some hunters spoiled it for others. That kind of behavior has been around forever, but in the past it wasn't held against all of us. Now many times that's just a easy way to say no. Kinda like the liability line. No, the biggest change and issue is the change in culture. Deer hunting culture itself has changed. Used to be neighbors would happily push deer to their neighbors, because the neighbor would push deer back. Now, folks sit all day for fear any movement in their woods will, god forbid, drive that big boy to the neighbor. Used to be any buck was a good buck. Now, if it ain't 18" across, you shouda let it walk. Folks pay big bucks for land to hunt big bucks. Folks pay game farms/ranches big bucks to shoot a big buck. Look at what even a 140" buck is worth on the hoof to a deer shooting preserve. Thousands of dollars. Most places charge $200 an inch after 145". I understand why someone who has paid 5 grand an acre for his 40/80, spent $2000 for food plot seed and has been watching a buck he'd love to harvest all summer, come out to that same food plot, refuses to let a stranger hunt. I understand, but it's still sad.

BTW....My grandpa's old farm is now in the middle of the county with the highest yearly deer kill in the state, and trying to get permission on any private land in the area is a waste of time. I only ever got to hunt it one year when I turned twelve, before he sold it. We saw one set of tracks on it then, in the snow and my Grandpas dang near wet himself outta excitement. Two weeks after season we heard the neighbor shoot after dark and Grandpa was depressed for a week. One reason there were no deer was because as soon as folks saw one....they shot it. With today's enforcement and stiff penalties those days are over. This has led to more deer and many more legal opportunities.....if you have a place to hunt.
 
Here in my state of Wisconsin, the issue is much more complex than "it’s a problem we do to ourselves". Back in the 60s when I first started hunting, you hardly ever saw a "No Trespassing" sign. When you did, for the most part, all you had to do was stop at the farmhouse and ask permission. Back then 90% of the kids I went to school with lived on a farm with 160 acres, more or less. The land was owned to make a living, not to hunt. Farms were side by side, so with the "you let me hunt yours, you can hunt mine" philosophy, one could hunt thousands of acres. You could track a wounded deer for miles and many times the land owner would help. As a matter of fact, up until the 60s, the majority of deer in the state were not anywhere near farm land. They were all up in the northern part of the state or in the central part of the state on large parcels of forested state owned land. My grandfather owned 240 acres in central Wisconsin when I was kid and he went north to Conover every year to hunt State and Federal land, because there were very few deer on his property or on surrounding property. Same was true about the farmers around the small town I grew up in. They all went to state land for the week, because there were no deer on their property. This is why "Deer Camps" became so popular. Hunters were too far from home to go back every-night. Used to be one could not walk very far on any public land without coming across a tarpaper shack with a old rusty wood stove in the corner, and some makeshift bed frames in the other. Generally a pit outside you didn't want to step in. As a kid I would ask about bow hunting local farms and the owners would laugh and say, "sure....shoot all you want!" Once the deer adapted and moved into Ag Land and I started to success on some on these farms......things started to change. Still could hunt, most of the same farms, but some were delegated to bow only. Once the deer appeared in the southern half of the state, so did those folks wanting to buy the land, not to farm....but to hunt. Then the deer became "theirs". Then the "No Trespassing" signs began to appear and when you knocked on those doors, odds were you were told no. Price of land with good hunting went up. Farms were no longer side by side, but checkerboarded with parcels of "Recreational" land. Now. even if you had permission to hunt one farm, odds were, the neighbor would not only deny you the chance to track your wounded deer, odds were they'd jump on the bloodtrail and tag it as their own. Deer became a prize, not just food. Horns became a hot commodity, and viewed as some form of manliness. deer were not ours anymore....they became mine! Nowadays, it's hard to even find a farm. If you do, it has no woods on it. The woods was sold off because it was worth substantially more to some one from the city for hunting land than it was for farming. Cows aren't pastured anymore....they are left in loafing barns all day now. Bad feelings because of the greed over deer has made so neighbors sit on the fence and patrol their land all season now......."ain't gonna get my deer!"

Yes, some hunters spoiled it for others. That kind of behavior has been around forever, but in the past it wasn't held against all of us. Now many times that's just a easy way to say no. Kinda like the liability line. No, the biggest change and issue is the change in culture. Deer hunting culture itself has changed. Used to be neighbors would happily push deer to their neighbors, because the neighbor would push deer back. Now, folks sit all day for fear any movement in their woods will, god forbid, drive that big boy to the neighbor. Used to be any buck was a good buck. Now, if it ain't 18" across, you shouda let it walk. Folks pay big bucks for land to hunt big bucks. Folks pay game farms/ranches big bucks to shoot a big buck. Look at what even a 140" buck is worth on the hoof to a deer shooting preserve. Thousands of dollars. Most places charge $200 an inch after 145". I understand why someone who has paid 5 grand an acre for his 40/80, spent $2000 for food plot seed and has been watching a buck he'd love to harvest all summer, come out to that same food plot, refuses to let a stranger hunt. I understand, but it's still sad.

BTW....My grandpa's old farm is now in the middle of the county with the highest yearly deer kill in the state, and trying to get permission on any private land in the area is a waste of time. I only ever got to hunt it one year when I turned twelve, before he sold it. We saw one set of tracks on it then, in the snow and my Grandpas dang near wet himself outta excitement. Two weeks after season we heard the neighbor shoot after dark and Grandpa was depressed for a week. One reason there were no deer was because as soon as folks saw one....they shot it. With today's enforcement and stiff penalties those days are over. This has led to more deer and many more legal opportunities.....if you have a place to hunt.
So much this
 
I understand, but it's still sad.

I understand this thinking, but in a way it is a good thing too.
It is a good thing because the vast majority of people who hunt nowdays, do it because they love it.
Back in those days, people hunted because they had to.
My father was born in '47 and there were many times that it they didn't kill something, they didn't have meat that day. Many nights they just ate vegetables from the garden, and were thankful to have them.

The majority of us today have no idea how that feels.
We hunt because we love hunting. Heck, if you added the price of the venison that I take each year it would be cheaper several times over to just go to the store and buy beef.
A lot of folks back then didn't have that luxury.
So since we are a bit spoiled we can be a bit more picky with big bucks.
I hunt a lease and when I get pics of a good buck, you can bet I ain't telling anybody where I got it.
 
I let "safe" friends hunt my measly-few acres for turkeys.
Anyone who lets strangers hunt their land is an idiot. Are they going to follow your rules once they are out of sight? ... HA! Liability insurance for strangers is not available/affordable where my place is for good reasons.

In Florida if you trespass with a weapon, it is a felony.
 
My family has over 300K acres in Wyoming.
We let hunters in for decades with no problems, in the last 10 years things have changed.
Even with a hunter management program with the State Game and Fish, we find ourselves rounding up cattle due gates left open or fences cut because it’s too much trouble to find a gate, even solar panels that power submersible pumps vital to watering the cattle shot up.
So yes, some of you are doing it to yourselves.

Unbelievable how rotten some people are.
 
When i was growing up on our shrimp farm, we let anyone who asked hunt....at least once. We had folks from off island, and even the mainland who were refered by friend, but mostly locals just looking for meat.
I hunted all the time, and often ran into other guys hunting. Some i knew, some i didnt. We usually stopped and talked, and went on our way. If they didnt get anything they would sometimes stop by the house to see if we had any extra, sometimes they would bring meat by if they did...some times they would come back with fish or something else, never knew.
Hunting was, and still is a community thing back home. The only real "rules" we had were dont waste, and be respectful....fail at those and your reputation would precede you

I used to hunt all the neighboring property. Kept my head down, didnt shoot stuff i wasnt supposed to, and went about my business. I certainly wasnt gonna get upset if other folks did the same.

different place, different culture.....Even from what its like where i live now.

Ive got access to some wonderful hunting opportunities here on the big island, but its much harder to find someone willing to let you hunt their property here than it was back home.
I know a number of folks whom i wouldnt allow to hunt my property, and with some of the dumb crap Ive seen I can understand why land owners are leery of letting folks hunt. Still tho, usually a hunter will at least give u a chance if they have a place.
 
Not a fan of hunting public land even though there is 150,000 acres of National Forest starting 5 miles from my house. The deer season is shorter than the rest of our zone and a lot of flatlanders come and camp during season. Then there is the access problems with no offroad ATV riding and many roads are closed. If you kill mister big stuff in the bottom of one of these "Hollars" you better be ready for a long drag.

After many years of public relations I have gotten access to 4 different farms. Two have given me permission to bring a friend occasionally. I haven't even considered asking anyone to the other two. I have found that the fastest way to lose a place is to take other people. I have a few rules that I follow. If the gate is closed it is for a reason. Don't climb the gates or fences. Last but not least, if you pack it in you can pack it out. Nothing is worse than hiking a mile back into the woods to find cans and bottles along the way. I doesn't hurt to let the landowner know if a fence has a tree down on it or that dogs are running their cattle.
 
I've never owned land to hunt on but if I did I doubt if I'd let anyone other than family hunt there. Too much liability today. I have some friends with property that have given me permission to hunt on and I'll occasionally go, but don't enjoy the experience.

I've gotten used to public hunting on large tracts of land. There is a 20,000 acre WMA 15 minutes from the house and others with up to 100,000 acres nearby. I've never had a bad experience. Due to the Covid concerns this year I hunted 3-4 days each week of our nearly 3 month long turkey season. I couldn't do much anything else. I saw one hunter parked along the road. None after I got into the woods. I was able to cover a lot of ground covering as much as 8 or 9 miles every day. Hunting on a friends 100 acre farm feels like I'm forced to hunt on a postage stamp.

I looked into joining a club with access to 1200 acres a couple of years ago. But when I found there would be 6 of all together I just felt that was too crowded.

I could kill a lot more game, but wouldn't enjoy it as much. If I just want some meat I've gone to a friends property, climbed into one of the many stands and shot a deer. It just seems more like grocery shopping than hunting to me. I get a lot more enjoyment out of going to a wild place and camping for a few days while I hunt. Sometimes packing in for several miles.
 
Not trying to be unkind, but past experiences went sour when trying to help others. Once they got their foot in the door, they interpreted it to be a lifetime hunting pass...assumed a one time invite included a pass for all their friends and buddies. Sorry, but I don't need those problems. Know not everyone is like that, it's easier to avoid it all together.

Immediate Family only. Waaay tooo much invested to let non-family use it for a handshake. Strangers don't use my home, vehicles, tools or toothbrush.....think I'll keep it that way.
 
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So, I was reading a blurb that mentioned that access to hunting land is a major problem in many areas due to how much is private, and I got to thinking...how many people who were making those complaints would let other people hunt their land if they had it? I’m thinking probably very few. In my mind it’s a lot like “it’s a problem until I get mine and then it’s your problem.”

Which leads me to wonder, how many people here, who never had access before and finally got their own land, allow other random people to hunt it or know someone who does?

To me, it’s a problem we do to ourselves, and I get it. Everyone wants the best hunting they can get and can be protective of it when they get it, but is it the right move? I don’t know.
Not in the way you think, my first memory of outsiders was some yayhoos gutshooting a buck from the highway in my grandpa's pasture closest to the house, yes toward the house, and my dad and grandpa having to go out, find the buck (by the barn) and put him down, fast forward quite a couple years and we've tracked and terminated MANY terminal deer/antelope with the game and parks paying extra for anyone who will turn private pasture/crop/crp public and now I have you worry bout the jackwads ripping off Uber magnums towards my yard (surrounded by "public land") and yank my kids inside, then later I get to go track more wounded critters, sure am glad the game warden likes to call coyotes from my yard at night and is another long range enthusiast! He's on speed dial now, especially when the "no vehicles beyond this point" signs are as decorational as the no hunting/trespassing signs. If modern sportsmen put as much effort into ethical hunts as they did whining, I'd open the gates to everyone, but after a dead dog, scared kids, and MANY wasted hours tracking bad shots I'm more bitter than you can imagine and honestly even after feeding myself on true public land for a year, feel there's too much of that too. I'm out to take meat not duck bullets. There are some members here I'd be glad to have out, but, in general, too much is taken for granted.
 
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