ACLU and Heller

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I've always been disappointed by the ACLU's stance on the 2nd amendment. However, I'm just as disappointed by how much people who claim to support the bill of rights trash the ACLU. They are not perfect, but neither is the NRA. I do hope the recent ruling causes them to change their stance, but I will still support them regardless.
 
The problem is that the ACLU chooses which rights it wants to support, pretty much all of them come from the far left end of the political spectrum. Do they do some good things? Yes. So did Stalin, Mao, and Hitler. However, from what I've seen, they stand for so many things I'm against that on balance I can't support them for the token good things they do.

As for them changing their stance, it won't happen any more than the NRA will change their stance to push for gun confiscation. It's completely against their ideals. Since their roots are from far left communist sympathizers, it's not very likely that they'll change into something that is acceptable to me. I would no sooner join them to change their standing than I would join NOW to get them to stop hating men.

It is my belief that the ACLU will always be anti-Second Amendment as well as anti-American in many things. They'll get no support from me but rather my antagonism.
 
Yeah, .cheese, but keeping track of what they're doing and even allying with them when necessary is not the same as supporting them.
 
One judges a man by the company he keeps.

The ACLU supports child pornographers, pedophiles, rapists and terrorists.

Make your own decision.
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Following this logic then the NRA supports murderers, armed robbers, and terrorists. The ACLU support freedom of speech but doesn't support or condone the actions of pedophiles, etc anymore than the NRA supports those who use their 2nd amendment freedoms for the wrong thing. Say whatever you like no matter how despicable it may be, but when you harm others you are responsible. Buy whatever gun you like no matter how evil and scary looking, but when you harm others you are responsible for it.
 
I do hope the recent ruling causes them to change their stance, but I will still support them regardless.
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Didn't you read their take? They are not going to change their position. They believe that the "reinterpretation" of the Constitution will put a "strait jacket" on "reasonable" governmental regulations. What hypocrites they are! And if you are supporting them, you are part of the problem and a disgrace to Ronald Reagan's name.
 
No, they simply promote pedophiles to high positions...
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I'm not sure how thats related, it says the term of his presidency was from 2002 to 2005 and his arrest and conviction of child pornography was in 2007. No doubt there are some bad guys in any organization given enough size. How were the members of the virginia chapter supposed to know of his illegal and abusive sexual tendencies before his arrest? Do the people of any clubs or organizations you belong to know of your sexual likes or desires?

I see he was also a youth sports coach. Would you give those organizations the same taint you feel the aclu deserve for this?
 
I will continue to support the ACLU's work as long as they don't take any actions to harm the 2nd amendment though.
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So any actions to harm the 2nd Amendment would cause them to lose your support? They've refused to acknowledge the true import of the court's decision, have lied about the state of the jurisprudence concerning the 2nd, and attempted to spread further disinformation isn't taking action. That's "any action" correct?
 
No, they simply promote pedophiles to high positions...
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Does the name Mark Foley ring a bell? There are sickos everywhere, doesn't mean the ACLU condones pedophilia any more than the Republican Party does.
 
Technically, the ACLU didn't support NAMBLA's goals or the institution. It just support NAMBLA right to publish information aimed at pedophiles, instructing them as to how they could perform their illegal activities.
 
June 29th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller. While the decision is a significant and historic reinterpretation of the right to keep and bear arms, the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation, including what regulations are permissible, and which weapons are embraced by the Second Amendment right that the Court has now recognized.
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Have found this quote in a few places. It looks fake and I can't find the original source.
 
Soybomb, do youth sports teams support and defend NAMBLA?

No, I didn't think so.

The ACLU has
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Yes, all of us are disgusted by NAMBLA and would love to see them disappear, but aren't they protected by the same Bill of Rights as the rest of us?

Are we going to stoop to allowing discrimination because the target is unpopular or distasteful?

ACLU has its place.
 
I'm always amused by the logic expressed here. They are dominated by liberals, leftists, whatever so they won't get my money.

Brilliant!!!

Whatever you do, DON'T support them en mass as we might actually take over.

What if every NRA member gave an equal amount to the ACLU and started to take control?
 
Soybomb, do youth sports teams support and defend NAMBLA?


No, I didn't think so.

The ACLU has
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So you don't see a distinction between defending free speech and defending the words that are said with it? It seems to me that we need groups like the ACLU who are willing to go to bat for free speech even if what is being said is terrible. We certainly expect our 2nd amendment organizations to take a hard line of supporting the most unpopular weapons to the fullest extent possible. Why should we have a double standard with the 1st amendment?
 
if you are supporting them, you are part of the problem and a disgrace to Ronald Reagan's name.
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I am supporting them, and I don't really care what Reagan would think. The ACLU has done a fantastic job protecting freedom of speech & religion, right to due process, and the right to privacy. That is their stated mission.

As I said before, I'm disappointed by their stance on the 2nd amendment and I hope they do change it but I don't really expect them to. While I'm not surprised that the ACLU is not particularly well regarded on a firearms forum, I am baffled by people who claim to support the rights I mentioned above yet insist the ACLU is worthless scum.
 
cherry-picking the BoR is rather distasteful to some. Hard to support an organization who does so openly.
 
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