ACOG Bullet Drop Comp Questions

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I was looking at the specs on the ACOG I am getting ready to buy and the compensator is for 16" barrels firing 62gr bullets...

I have a 14.5 inch barrel with a flash suppressor, what will be the difference?

Also, I also have a stockpile 55 gr rounds, what will be the difference there?

I'll have more questions later, but those are the ones I can think of right now.

Thanks.
 
Depends on many factors, velocity, type of bullet, etc., but you really should be pretty close going from 62grn. M855 to 55 grain commercial ammo. For 77 grn. OTM, zero ~1.5" high at 100 yards and you'll be in the ballpark (assuming a TA01.)

Best bet is to shoot groups at 100, 200, 300 yards and see how far off you are.

- Chris
 
Thanks guys, that answers my questions.

I just talked the the guy I was think about buying the TA01 from...He said the ACOG is in mint condition, but he bought it in 1993...He also said that the tritium is still as bright now as it was then.

He is asking $650 shipped for it, is this worth it? If the tritium wears out then there is another $200...Should I buy it or not?

Thanks for the help.
 
Trijicon themselves say "the ACOG isn't a sniper scope" ...from their mouths on "Shooting USA"

On their website they say:

» 03. What bullet was used to calibrate the ACOG scopes?

The TA01, TA11, & TA31 (.223) were designed for the 5.56mm, 20 inch barrel, 55 grain bullet, and M16/AR15 carry handle mount. The TA01B & TA11C(.308) were designed for the 7.62mm, 20 inch barrel, 168 grain bullet, and M16/AR15 carry handle mount. The TA01NSN was designed specifically for the US Special Operations Command SOPMOD M4 Carbine. To meet their requirements, the reticle bullet drop compensator and range finding stadia lines were based on the trajectory of the 62 grain bullet from a 14.5 inch barrel, flattop mount (Picatinny rail Mil.Std.1913).

» 04. Does bullet weight and/or barrel length effect the reticle bullet drop compensator and range finding stadia lines?

The real issue is not the bullet weight or barrel length, but muzzle velocity, ballistic coefficient, and the distance from height above bore. The difference in trajectory from bullet to bullet or barrel to barrel is usually less then the MOA thickness of the stadia lines.


Bold pretty much sums it up. The kind of practical shooting these were designed for, the rifles and ammo typically used with them all add up to differences larger than the difference in the BDC, which is often smaller than the stadia lines themselves.


If I recall correctly, tritium has a half-life of 12.5 years. That means, in 12.5 years, it will be half as bright. Double that should be the total life. But, that is irrelevant since at some point you lose the usefulness of it when it gets too dim. If this is from 1993, that makes it 15 years old at least. It is less than half as bright as it was when it was new. Or half as bright as a new model made this year.

Regardless, the ACOG is a great scope even if it were relegated strictly to day time duty. It's a good deal if you're not overly concerned about early dawn, late dusk or night time shooting.

However, a new one runs about $840. Factor in that this is used even if in mint condition and if you care about the illumination, it is likely going to need a tritium replacement soon.


Tough call. Depends on your use and expectations.
 
Don't Tread On Me said:
If I recall correctly, tritium has a half-life of 12.5 years. That means, in 12.5 years, it will be half as bright. Double that should be the total life.
That's not exactly accurate - it means it should be half as bright after it's half-life, and then half-as bright again after another half-life. IOW, after 2 half-lives it's 25% as bright as when it first started. After 3, it's 12.5% as bright as when it first started. It's an exponential radioactive decay thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

Practically speaking, 12% of the original brightness might be too dim to consider useful - I don't know, I've never actually used an ACOG, so I don't have a point of reference. But the tritium will still be irradiating.
 
BazookaJoe, you can get a brand new in the box TA01 for 750.

Model TA01 was for the 20" barrel

Their M4 reticals are marked to 600 not 800meters. And these are designed for the 14.5" M4

Pete
 
Thanks alot DTOM, that is exactly the info I was looking for...The bold part mainly.:)

Thanks for everyones help...I think I'm gonna pass and spring for a new one.


BTW, what in the heck kind of reticle is used in I am Legend?
 
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Also note that changing your altitude by 5000' will change the trajectory more than having the "wrong" BDC for your load (in the realm of 5.56 loads anyway).
 
Also note that changing your altitude by 5000' will change the trajectory more than having the "wrong" BDC for your load (in the realm of 5.56 loads anyway).

Zak, thanks for the info, but unfortunately I'm not as lucky as you are...It's flat here; no cool places to shoot like you have.:(

(Yes, I've seen the pictures, quite frankly I'm tired of you rubbing it in)

:p
 
what will be the difference?

It should not be so much as that you won't still be on a human silhouette out to 500 yards.

I usually zero and then I check a fixed distance (usually 200 or 300 yards) against the drop scale to see where I am printing for that given rifle's setup and ammunition. It isn't ever an exact match, but close enough. Of course, none of my guns are set up as per the drop scale factors and I am not always shooting 62 gr. US NATO ammo. Even changing between US and British ammo produces a different POI, apparently due to velocity differences.
 
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