Advanced MIG-25 found in Iraq? see pics...

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A friend sent me the pics and text below. Not sure where to post this, so Moderators please move to a more appropriate area if needed...

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The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in
the sand after an informant tipped off U.S. troops.
The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sand, like hidden treasure, waiting to be recovered at a later date.
Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era.
The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices.
U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons.
The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.
The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force.. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U..N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert.

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The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California, and the massive deserts south and west of Baghdad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war.
U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an estimated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weapons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sand. U.N. inspection teams found the weapons in the early 1990s after detailed information of the exact locations was obtained.
Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to find Iraq's hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets.
While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.
Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq.
However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment.
 
way old news. checkout www.newsmax.com
they had article on it months ago. before 2004. along with some french fighters and bombs. a whole bunch of crap they should not have in iraq. recently found a radioactive missle air to air russian made.

direct link to the article.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml

newsmax does have a few questionable articles.

I wonder when the we are see held russia,france and germany accountable for the abuse of the food for oil program. seems Kofi Annans son is involved as well not suprised.

some great allies the left wants us to have. mean time Spain has been cool along with the others that have supported us that have gotten little to no credit.

www.softwar.net has some more info on items found as well. though the website is not the nicest to get through. http://www.softwar.net/iraq.html
 
Thank you for updating my information, I will check Newsmax for further details. Again, thanks.
 
recently found a radioactive missle air to air russian made.
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newsmax does have a few questionable articles.
Yeah, like that "radioactive missle" article. The "radioactive warhead" in the article is what U.S. forces call a "depleted uranium penetrator" when we use them. I believe we've shot off thousands of those in Iraq. (I couldn't actually tell from the article whether is was depleted uranium, or non-depleted, natural uranium. But it's not like there's a huge difference--natural uranium is only mildly radioactive.) Newsmax was going for the sensational story here, ignoring the facts. That thing was no "dirty bomb."
 
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/9/154650.shtml
Army bomb disposal troops confirmed using Geiger counters that the missiles are indeed radioactive.

The discovery is not, however, considered the long-sought "smoking gun" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

The missiles appear to be part of a cache of weapons supplied to Iraq before the 1991 Gulf War.

I havent found a weapons site that mentions anything to the use of the uranium. aircraft are no where near as thick armored as tanks.

DU warhead would fly right through a jet. thats not what you want to happen. you want fragmentation and alot of tiny parts to shred the aircraft up creating alot of drag if not the complete distruction.

did find one site that mentioned HE fragmentation
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/aa-8.htm

alot of people are argueing the effect of Depleted Uranium. Uranium itself is pretty poisonous to life forms without radiation. I have heard DU is not completely void of radioactivity. not sure who to believe on the radioactivity but I will believe the US armies Geiger counters.

why bother with the radioactive symbol on the missile if its not radioactive?

I dont think its a dirty bomb though I wouldnt want to breath in that Uranium particles after exploding or be around the wreckage.
 
The smoke detector in my kitchen also has a radiation symbol on it. I believe it has something on the order of a picocurie of americium in it. So, yes, it's technically radioactive, and has a radiation symbol on it, but the amount is completely harmless.

I'm sure the Russian rocket has more than a picocurie of uranium in it, but my point is that it sounds like it's a de minimis amount radioactivity. From the article, it sounds like they use the uranium to fragment and produce shrapnel; the fact that the uranium is slightly radioactive is indicental to its use there.

My point here is exactly what you said--"alot of people are argueing the effect of Depleted Uranium"; the danger is down at the level where the "conventional wisdom" is that there is no danger, but some people are speculating that there may have been deleterious effects that haven't yet been borne out by statistical studies. That's a long way from the Russian rocket being the sort of diabolical radiation weapon that is implied by the Newsmax article.
 
Yes we know agricola. But, we didnt know they had THIS particular MIG-25. You have to read the WHOLE first paragraph to get to that part.
 
Some points:

-This is old news.

-The MiG-25 is a P.O.S. dinosaur. It is "advanced" only in comparison to, say, an F-86 Sabre. Even the "advanced recon version" is only "advanced" compared to other old, crappy Russian exports.

-There is alot of mythology surrounding Depleted Uranium. Your basement is probably more radioactive than a DU munition is. Most smoke detectors contain a more powerful alpha emitter (Americium). DU it is not chemically toxic, at least not until you get to very high doses... in that respect it is like most other heavy metals. Lead exposure, by contrast, is much more hazzardous. The media and some other random twits have gotten worked up about DU because it sounds scary. :rolleyes:

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/library/randrep/du/cover.html
 
I have heard DU is not completely void of radioactivity.
Neither is granite. Lantern mantles (containing thorium oxide) will send a low-range Geiger counter into a flurry of clicking too (just like DU), but unless you eat one (or make underwear out of thorium-impregnated cloth and wear it for 50 years) the radiation is trivial compared to what you get from ordinary dirt, cosmic rays, your food, your bones, etc.
 
I think the best line about DU goes something like this:

"DU is dangerous when it passes through your body at 3,000+ fps."
 
Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq.
However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely.

Critics have fallen silent? EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME?

Thanks for the laugh.... it's been so long since I read one of these bogus "WE FOUND THE SMOKING GUN!" articles I had forgotten how much fun they were.

Let's review...... a massive underground nuclear facility teeming with radioactive material reported in FOX news..... never heard from again, FOX publicly ridiculed by other news sources for biting on a red herring.

Massive stockpiles of VX canisters found... no wait, we aren't sure what's in them we are analyzing it.... NEVER HEARD FROM AGAIN.

Documents proving Iraq bought uranium... that happened to be forged.

Plans for a uranium enrichment device uncovered..... written on napkin buried in somebody's back yard for over 15 years.

Portable chemical weapons development trailers found..... that turned out to be hydrogen generating stations for weather ballons.

High strength aluminum tubes which were for an enrchment centrifuge.... which tirned out to be missile cases because and our own analysts said they were not strong enough to use in a centrifuge and would have flown apart if they tried.

Recently FOX again bit on a bogus story reporting a secret report would be coming out proving the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda... not only unsubstantiated, the Pentagon went so far as to issue a clarification statement about any such report existing because of the humiliation of Bush and Cheney who had stated for months they had proof of that connection and were later forced to admit publicly no such connection could be established.

WHAT A LOOOOONG, STRANGE TRIP IT'S BEEN..........
 
That's the first time I've heard of the Mig-25 being called "advanced" since 1972 or so.

Freaking luddite reporters, can't get any facts straigt.....
 
Yeah, that plane's gonna be REAL serviceable after being buried in sand... might as well take an AR15, coat it in tar, and dump it in a cat's litterbox.
 
Folks, when they say it's an advanced MIG-25, they mean it's an advanced variant, not that the entire MIG-25 series is advanced. One of the buried planes was a relatively advanced reconnaissance version.

The U.S., for example, either still uses or used until recently reconnaissance versions of the F-4 Phantom. These were still F-4s, but compared to the variants in use in 1974, they are much advanced with better avionics, better radar, upgraded engines, etc. So they're "advanced F-4's" even if the F-4 itself is a big, smoky dinosaur with no guns.
 
Isn't the MIG-25 still the second fastest plane ever built? Mach3 is nothing to sneeze at.
As far as air-breathing aircraft go, it's probably either #2 or #3, behind the SR-71 (of course) and possibly the XB-70, which the MiG-25 was designed to intercept. Remember, though, that the MiG-25 could exceed Mach 3 only high and clean (no external stores), and the engines had to be torn down after Mach 3 runs.

_MiG Pilot_ (the story of the Russian MiG-25 pilot who defected to the U.S. by way of Japan--I don't remember his name) had a lot of good info on the strengths and weaknesses of the MiG-25. I think he said that the "do not exceed" speed on the airspeed indicator/machmeter was Mach 2.8 or less.

Interestingly, most of the MiG-25 was made of STEEL, with titanium used only for heat-critical areas. The original radar was also extremely powerful (to burn through jamming), and safety protocols required that it not be turned on until the plane was airborne (rumor has it that it could cook a chicken on the runway).
 
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