Advice for Rich: Insure yourself against war...

[1911Tuner]

``A few rounds over the approaching brigands' heads would probably be a compelling persuader that there are easier farms to pillage,''

Well...Assuming that the brigands will reveal their approach from a good distance...in the daylight...that might work.

So...If we prepare for a doomsday scenario by stockpiling food, water, medical supplies, and ammo...we're nutcase survivalists. If the rich/elite do the same thing...they're being wise and prudent in seeing to their own well-being.

Interesting...

 

[Markbo]

I'm hungry.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

ScottD, isn't it obvious that when SoonerSP101 said, "As long as I have my guns and ammo I'll never starve. Some rich person with no guns and no ammo will give me his/her food." he was clearly implying that he would challenge the rich person to a test of marksmanship, putting his fine weapons up against the rich person's food, winner take all? Rich people are naturally arrogant and would take to this challenge without hesitation. Fortunately, SoonerSP101 has practiced very hard and will easily best the rich man who, due to a lack of guns and ammo, will certainly be a poor shot, despite all his worldly possessions. SoonerSP101 will then tip his hat in a very gentlemanly manner as the rich man grudgingly honors his end of the bargain and hands over the food.

 

[ScottD]

Yup you got that right, 1911Tuner. Who'd be stupid enough to stockpile and NOT even consider that it could be taken by force and the need to defend it? I guess there are some '***** out there...sucks to be them when/if SHTF and the masses freak out. I think the only reason there weren't more killings in NO/Katrina is because fed.gov swept in like the hand of God and I'm sure there were handouts to the truly needy. They never got to the point of killing for true need, but they would have if it weren't for the gov/LEO presence and the fact that the initial SHTF didn't really last that long. But, the goobermint can't always be there, especially if multiple SHTF scenarios are happening in different places. Something to think about.

 

[ScottD]

Oh, NOW I get it Jorg...

 

[ScottD]

Me, too, Markbo. Chicken fajitas on the menu tonight!

 

[Nobody's_Hero]

Does this thread actually have more substance than any of the "Vote for this candidate" threads that aren't allowed on THR. I'm just asking, because this is a name-calling, "he said", "she said", "I didn't say", "you implied" thread as far as I can tell. I still think the best interest of this country is going to be that we stick together if the SHTF. I cringe at the thought that any anti-gun browsers might be reading some of the replies here.

Wild-west shootouts it is, then.

 

[springmom]

Did somebody rename this site "The Low Road" when I wasn't looking????

My in laws were very wealthy by the time they passed on. They started out as the daughter of a mailman and the son of a Montana farmer, who himself was born in a soddy. You all who think the rich don't work hard.... how the blazes do you think they GOT that way? Sitting around grumbling on the internet?

Get a grip.

Springmom

 

[ScottD]

Yup, hard work never hurt anyone.

 

[Nobody's_Hero]

Did somebody rename this site "The Low Road" when I wasn't looking????

I think the road has been washed out at this point.

 

[MarshallDodge]

So...If we prepare for a doomsday scenario by stockpiling food, water, medical supplies, and ammo...we're nutcase survivalists.

Amen to that. My LDS neighbors are into stocking up food and there is about 25 head of cattle out my back door.

We have made our own preparations as well.

 

[ScottD]

Wonder how well they're armed, too. The LDS I knew when I lived in Idaho were well prepared.

 

[springmom]

As they're already passed on, he'd have a tough time reaching them....

As far as the original post goes (we DO remember the original post, right?? ) ISTM that he's making some odd assumptions. Mind you, I've not read the book, so I'm going on slim data here, but the presumption that a market upturn predates an upswing in military/social fortunes doesn't exactly equate with "therefore we're fixin' to have SHTF". I don't get the connection.

Besides, the fact that these upticks in the market happened when they did doesn't imply that there weren't upticks in the market when there was NO military/social improvement. It seems a bit thin as a hypothesis.

I'll have to check and see if the library's got a copy of it. Not sure I want to buy it, but I'd like to see how he fleshes out this idea.

Springmom

 

[jcwit]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH I'm SKERED

 

[jcwit]

As Chicken Little said (THE SKY IS FALLING)

 

[ScottD]

Scared of whom/what?

 

[Lucky]

As far as the original post goes (we DO remember the original post, right?? ) ISTM that he's making some odd assumptions. Mind you, I've not read the book, so I'm going on slim data here, but the presumption that a market upturn predates an upswing in military/social fortunes doesn't exactly equate with "therefore we're fixin' to have SHTF". I don't get the connection.

Springmom he wasn't talking about various arbitrary points, he did specifically mention record highs and lows. That's pretty definite, if accurate. The connection was record high=bad times coming, record low=good times coming. The problem is that it cannot be used as a predictive tool, because you don't KNOW you've reached the bottom, until far later when you look back.

I don't believe it means that Midway was won because the stock market said so, or that the market even predicted it. If Midway had been lost surely the market could have found a new low. But due to the speculative nature of investing it's rather logical that there would be correlations, and it could seem prescient because people are necessarily predicting outcomes when investing. But some people were betting it would go lower, and some were betting it would go higher.


Remember, Capital is Mobile, Sensitive, and Scarce. It gravitates towards stability.

Things are bad, really bad. Prices are at an all-time low. You level of risk acceptance is such that you say, "What the hell, things can't get much worse than this." and you start buying. Someone else at that same moment says, "Hell, things can only get worse." and sells to you. If things get better - then you are psychic. You predicted the future, you have a graph to prove it, you bought and a month later your country won a crucial battle. If things get worse, then the other guy has a graph to prove he predicted the future.

At least that's my take, feel free to point out flaws.

 

[Blakenzy]

I too thought that the whole idea regarding the Farm and self sufficient infrastructure to provide immunity to an economic collapse was a good idea. Hey, at least you won't starve, right? But the problem I see is that many others who have not prepared accordingly will eventually see what you have with greedy eyes. Stocking up on ammo then becomes just as important as stocking up on seed/live stock to keep what is yours. Also, unless you have a very large family, you will have to team up with neighbors or form a small community of like-minded individuals on your land to have a fighting chance during a total governmental and economic breakdown of considerable duration. That's where it gets complicated.

As for pre-emptive strikes. If you had solid intel that someone(s) were coming for you and your family, wouldn't you want to get them first? What do you not understand about what's going on in the Middle East? If we don't strike them first OVER THERE, then we will be fighting their crap over here in our backyards. So where would you rather have the suicide bombers? Over there or over here? Those pre-emptive strikes are ensuring our security (as much as they can) over here.

O yea right, and with "solid" intelligence from where exactly? Neighborly gossip?

As far as ensuring our national security with preemptive attacks, IIRC we launched such an attack to secure WMDs, based on "solid" information provided by our "Intelligence" services. Well, now where are those WMDs? As far as I know there were no American deaths due to Iraqis until after we took "control". How many US citizens have died/been wounded since? Far more than those taken by any terrorist activity on American soil. Anti-American sentiment is now probably at it's highest, the world over, due to our recent preemptive attacks overseas. As a result even more people hate us and wish our death, those that were friendly/sympathetic countries are fed up with our attitude, and we still have not achieved our goal of securing WMDs. Now Iraq has turned into what adds up to a giant training camp, full of unaccounted munitions stockpiles, where terrorists can run around to practice killing skills on live, breathing Americans. So no, I don't believe that preemptive strikes necessarily make you safer, at a global or personal level. It's a sure way to give people reason to shoot back though.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

I see too many people trying to fit others in slots here.

Consider this before you assume rich people can't farm or shoot.

My dad, who passed away a couple weeks ago at the age of eighty, was a fairly wealthy man. He didn't get there by being ignorant in the ways of the world. He was born in a soddy on the eastern plains of Colorado right before the Dust Bowl Years.

He could garden, drill and harvest wheat, tend cattle, build houses, work in a steel mill, shoot better than most living people today, butcher his own game, fix his own car, build his own furniture...

You get the picture. Some rich people may be born into it, but the vast majority worked for it. I would bet anybody trying to take his wealth by force would be met with more violence than they bargained for.

 

[ScottD]

Some rich people may be born into it, but the vast majority worked for it. I would bet anybody trying to take his wealth by force would be met with more violence than they bargained for.

That is exactly my circumstances. Good decisions, good investments and HARD work surely pays off. I started "life" at 18 with nothing and enlisted in the Navy. Ended up an officer and US Naval Academy grad. Pilot, too.

 

[Markbo]

Blakenzy:
Actually, WMD's and evidence of WMD's were found.

There have been several thousand armed forces casualties. It is a "War". Who were the people at ground zero fighting?

True many countries hate us. Most always have. Our 'friends' don't. They simply look at us with sideways glances... "What are they up to now!?"

Our current goal has nothing to do with WMD's but fighting terrorist that have already declared a Holy War against the U.S. whethere we fight back or not. Should we walk out and let them have Iraq or should we try to help them form a type of government that they have NEVER had - a democracy?

Iraq has also come under more control... not less. The Taliban and Al-Queda terrorists are now well implanted where they actually came from - along the mountainous region of middle and southern Afghanistan that borders with Pakistan.

Do you actually keep up with current events?

And if preemptive strikes don't work I guess Israel never won a war by doing so. Nor the U.S.

 

[Tokugawa]

Tokugawa dusts off his soapbox, gives it a bit of a shine and jumps on-----
"ya'all want to save your hides when the SHTF----?
"COMMUNITY"!!!! Yes, community- that is what it is going to take because that is what it has always taken ,back to before humans first decided it would be good to have a garden instead of roaming around the countryside looking for game. Repeat after me- "there is no such thing as the lone survivalist(or even with his family) You need people ,they are the most precious resource in times of crisis. It takes a village- not to raise a kid, but to SURVIVE! People to grow food. People to fix things. People to defend the homes. People to watch the kids. People to hunt, fish, and set bones. Community is strength!

OK, I am done now

 

[george29]

Tokugawa is right on. There is a trend amongst the baggy-pants crowd to buy .50 cal rifles, right now it is all about blowing sh*t up, but once the SHTF, they will have the ability to terrorize from out of range. There is safety in numbers, one is a lonely number and impractical for all but the Jeremiah Johnsons, and I only know of one guy like that, for the rest of us it is about community and sticking together. I havebeen putting such a community together now for a few years and we still don't number enough people nor have we yet agreed on a communal plan. Time is ticking and in the end, just like Katrina, neighbors will eventually need to band together or die. Survival means first and formost water, so people, invest in a Berky or something similar, then beans and rice (my dad survived as a POW in Korea for 9 months on maggottyrice alone), beans are long lasting and contain all the fiber and protein you need to keep healthy. Then bleach, face masks and latex gloves (preventing illness is so much easier than curing it). Last off, some good books that will be your best friend in time of need. Survival books, first aid type books, Farming for Idiots type books. Bullets and guns are just a means to defend all the rest. Think like a pioneer, make alist of only the essentials and fitting them into a mini van or small u-haul trailer, never to see the rest of your possessions again. Now is the time to sit down and think, before you really need to. I don't worry about the rich, I worry about guys that think that their guns are all they need to take what they want, they aren't kidding and exchanging words with them is useless, we live in a time where mental illness is at pandemic levels and societal norms are just a hair off of chaos. Katrina was just one example. Anyone interested in looking to become part of a group of socially conscienscious, law abiding liberal minded libertarians can pm me.

 

[Leanwolf]

TOKUGAWA - " Repeat after me- "there is no such thing as the lone survivalist..."

Obviously, Tokugawa, you've never heard of "Gunkid."

L.W.

 

[Rachen]

BLOOMBERG???

***???

I thought any media and literature related to, or directly sponsored by Bloomie would say: "In such times, the best thing for any civilian to do is to give yourself up to the enemy and offer no offense at all. They might not kill you. Even if they do, history will always remember you for being a true hero, by not fighting back and facing death and violence with courage and non-violence."