Advice for sister-in-law regarding coming home late

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My sister-in-law recently moved and is renting a room in a condo. Where she has to go in there is a gate that needs to be opened which leads to the patio. The patio is poorly lit so she can't see if anyone is lurking in the corner and the gate does not lock. Not that it would really matter since it is only a 6' tall privacy fence and that isn't going to keep anyone out.

The neighborhood in general is not very good (my wife and I were not pleased when she said where she would be living) but she has signed a lease for a year. Moving is not an option at this point.

Her biggest concerns are when she comes home at 2am after hitting the bars.

One of her friends recommended she carry OC (well she called it mace but you get the idea). She doesn't like that idea very much. Has the classic fear that it will be more of a danger to herself than an attacker. I myself worry that the OC just won't work. I don't own or use OC so I don't really know enough about it to make any recommendation.

My suggestion was that lead offers a higher amount of success than OC. That was shot down (pun intended). Problem being that she does frequent bars/clubs quite often and cannot carry there...this is the primary reason why she is coming home late.

The one thing that was agreed on was to at min. carry a flashlight so you can see if someone is in the patio. At least if you can see if someone is there you have an escape.

My other thoughts are she could get a gun and keep it locked in her car, and only carry it between her car and the apartment. Obviously the flashlight + situational awareness are number one but the gun would give her another option if escape is not possible. Locked in the car because she can't take it in with her to the bar. Probably a S&W j-frame in a pocket holster that she could drop into her purse for trip between car and apartment. I have taken her shooting before.

Other thought was like a 4" folder. I am not sure how many rapists/thiefs want to get stuck with a tactical folder? My biggest fear is that she honestly could be overpowered and disarmed since the knife does require some physical strength. I would think that the second the blade has come out the BG is going to seriously reconsider.

Looking for other solutions. All options need to be self contained. I suspect that the danger is not just the patio but also the walk from car to patio.

Obviously the best options are to move and not go out late. Unfortunately neither of those things are going to change right now so this is the sitation I am trying to find a solution for.
 
What about asking the owner/landlord to install a light? Motion activated if the are concerned about electrical costs.

Whatever gun options are discussed, during the movement through the patio area, the gun must be accessible within 4 seconds. Many situations occur where the defensive maneuver must be taken within seconds.

There are also solar/battery powered motion activated lights, the landlord might be more aggreable to one of those. She could probably put one up even without landlord permission is installed on a fence post in a non-permanent way.
 
I was thinking of a motion detector/floodlight approach. I would do it in a heart beat if she wasn't renting a room from someone so in that case she needs to get permission from her roommate (roommate owns Condo).

I would install it for her and her roommate could keep the thing after she is able to move out. We'll see if she can convince her roommate to get a new patio light and I"ll install it.

I think in this situation having something in her purse (OC, knife, gun) would be acceptable since she had to go into her purse to get her keys, she won't be out of place already having her hand in her purse ready to draw. A paddle holster/belt clip would also work well since this would only be worn in the parking lot given the other parameters.
 
She's always out with a large group of people, until she comes home. So the barhopping part isn't "that" bad. She doesn't get drunk, just goes out to have fun with her friends. Also where she is hitting the bars is much safer than in her neighborhood.
 
Is she really interested in carrying tools of self defense? Her fear that OC or similar would be more dangerous to her than to an assailant seems to me that she'd say the same thing about a firearm.

I hate to say it, but if she willingly gets a place in an iffy neighborhood, continues in habits that involve her being out at less than savory times, and is not willing to take responsibility for her own defense, there isn't much that can be done. It looks like passive security devices such as locks and lighting are all that can be done.
 
A gun after returning from a night of barhopping - no way. If the landlord will not provide patio lighting, why can't you and/or your SIL provide the lighting, it's not real expensive.
 
First, ask her if she has a life insurance policy. Offer to pay the premiums if she makes you the beneficiary.

Might give her something to think about....
 
Technosavant. I think the answer is no. A flashlight and better lighting is about all I can hope for. I disagree that she isn't willing to take respnsibility for her own defense since she did bring up the subject. I think she knows it is less than safe and that she needs to do something, but doesn't know what.

She herself even brought up other examples like the young women adjucted in broad daylight at a target that made the news.

tegemu, she is going out barhopping but not drinking or at least not having more than 1 drink and then coming home multiple hours after said drink. More going out late to be with her friends. I think that any personal defense tool would be acceptable. Forget barhopping (other than illegal to carry in a bar) and just think of it as going out with friends and coming home late...and late means after dark. In the winter late could be 7pm on a weeknight.

I don't need to scare the crap of her, I need to offer her reasonable solutions. This was a fairly recent (as in yesterday) realization for her.
 
She probably has more exposure to risk from the other patrons in the bars than going into her condo. The fact that she is a responsible drinker does nothing to mitigate the intents and actions of others.
 
I disagree. I feel about 100x safer in the bars she is going to than in her neighborhood. I have to assume that being in a fairly safe area (for bars in a college town) and in a large group of 5 to 10 people should help her. When going from her car to her condo she is alone and it is dark. Parking is NOT right next to the condo.

Bars = 6th street
Neighborhood = east of I-35


Let's pretend she never goes to bars, it is winter and it gets dark at 6pm. What about then?
 
Another option for lighting: Solar accent lighting. Not as good as wired motion-detectors, but they can cast some light into dark places, and that can be good enough to dissuade unsavory folks from using them to hide out. You can get anything from piddly little walkway illuminators to actual spotlights- check your local hardware/home improvement store for them. Cost will be anywhere from $20 to as much as $200, depending on the type and number of them. Installation is as simple as removing them from the box, making sure the rechargeable batteries and bulbs are where they need to be, then just placing them in strategic places.

They'll look pretty and will cause no permanent alteration.
 
Technosavant, thanks that is also a good idea. I think that when my sister in law brings the subject up with the owner/roommate she won't have a problem with it if it is zero cost to her. I can only see that improving value. The solar lighting may or may not work, the patio is fairly well covered.

I believe that lighting and a flashlight are going to be the immediate solutions. Personally I think all girls should have at least a j-frame and a folder on their person...if I can get her to at least think about CCW that will be coming a long way.

If nothing else I am happy that she is being aware of her surroundings.
 
Anything wrong with her packing a stun gun? Sounds to me like that, plus a flashlight, would be a lot of comfort if she's not willing to carry a firearm. And unlike a knife, a stun gun won't cause any lasting harm, provided the person it is used on doesn't have a heart attack (a possibility, but reasonably slim). True, you usually have to be SCARY close to use it, but that's true of a knife as well, and almost as true for OC spray. Definitely safer for bystanders than a .38 fired litterally a "shot in the dark" after one has been out drinking.
 
The stun gun is a decent idea, I'll check into that.

My wife and I are going to buy her a nice flashlight to start. Her last place also had poor lighting...

I'll kind of play it by ear in how much she wants to arm herself. I think it needs to be a personal decision where she comes to us and says, "I want to get a gun, can you teach me to shoot" than me forcing something on her.

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How about seeing if there's an NRA Refuse To Be A Victim course in the area? I've never been to one, but I hear that they're very good, and it probably couldn't hurt! If you leave off the gun/knife/OC stuff for now and show her the course as a, "Hey, I found this - it might help answer some questions, give you some prevention tips, etc." she might be receptive to that.

Also, it might be better if your wife (her sister) offers up the course idea, vs. you. Then it's women sharing info, which is a lot different from someone saying, "You should do this!" (Even if you're not. :) It's perception...)
 
Target has a good Brinkman flashlight for about $19. It's got two lithium batteries, is about as bright as a Surefire G-2, and fits in any purse I have seen. Other than weapons and situational awareness, that's her best bet. The big question is will she use it every night?
 
Griz, thanks. I was looking at getting a G-2 for her but the brinkman should work just as well. We'll start by giving her a flashlight and just hope she uses the tools.

A class might be a good thing too. Great suggestions, thanks again! I think that is the right track, I really can't force anything to happen and unfortunately need to wait for the personal realization to occur before I can really help.
 
Why can't she carry in her purse? None of the women that I know carry a purse into a bar or club, so she would be ok legally and at the ready when she comes home.
 
I would never buy another Brinkman. I thought I was getting a bargain, but that sucker went through a bulb pretty quick, and they aren't cheap. Now the battery won't charge. I bought a Surefire and haven't looked back.

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's don't buy the cheap junk, you'll only end up spending the same amount as quality in the end, but you'll generate a lot more scrap and have to deal with replacing stuff that quits.
 
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