After the Home Defense Shooting

[Simple Shooter]

Which include a Mossberg 590 loaded with buckshot.

That’s why I preferred a standard riot gun as a cop and still do today,

I went from my 6 shot buckshot shotgun to a built AR one five with 31 stoppers.

Sawed off 1300 with mini buck shells is the way to go.

My home defense weapon is my 9mm EDC

No wrong answers here. Thanks all for sharing. It was interesting to see I am the only one who considers the biohazard and collateral damage as part (again, only a small part) of my overall home defense firearm decision making process.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Yep.
As I found out when Dad managed to cut his left hand almost in half with a power saw, you just can't get blood and meaty bits out of carpet, upholstery or acoustic tile.
-And the smell lingers... .
(Dad always hurt himself or his supervisor when he got tired of doing something - and he usually hurt himself worse than he planned. I got pretty tired of patching him up and cleaning up after him.)

 

[JTHunter]

Being an old "boy scout", I try to be prepared for any eventuality. On a wall rack next to my bed are a 12 ga. SxS with double triggers so both barrels can be fired at the same time. Above that is an AK with a 40 rounder of mixed ammo (JHP, FMJ, & PSP). Finally, in its holster is a .357 revolver with a pair of speedloaders.

 

[shafter]

Just curious about why you would want to fire both barrels at the same time and why a magazine with mixed ammo?

 

[N555]

I would use a claymore if I could.

 

[WTBguns10kOK]

Inside the home doesn't leave as much room to move as outdoors or many buildings in public. First hit with a shotgun seems more likely to stop someone sooner than a first hit with a pistol or pistol caliber carbine. Could always worry about home repairs later if they were even necessary.

 

[lemaymiami]

I can understand anyone wanting to stop a home intruder - in spectacular fashion... but you might need to keep your head on straight and save that ammo for the second or third intruder... Just get a good center of mass hit on your target - and they'll be out of action most likely. If a good center of mass hit doesn't do it lower your aim about one foot (you're aiming to hit a bit below that belt buckle...and hit your target again - that should do the trick even if they're body armored...

In related work I was taught long ago that after you remove a firearm from an offender - it's time to look for that SECOND weapon - your family and co-workers on the street will thank you. Yes, this is meant for any young police officer when things get hairy - but every armed citizen should remember than the offender in front of you - may not be the only one - and checking for a second weapon is very good practice if you want to go home to your family at the end of trouble...

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Recall reading articles years ago on "Pattern loading the revolver" One suggested 2 light loads to get on target, then 4 serious loads. FMJs are often touted as having superior penetrating power for thick winter clothing. Firing 2 shotgun barrels at once ? Sounds like the Nock Volley Gun, great in theory, in practice....

 

[Kleanbore]

Recall reading articles years ago on "Pattern loading the revolver" One suggested 2 light loads to get on target, then 4 serious loads.

I don't see how that would be helpful in stopping an assailant charging from close range at high speed.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

If you can channel the spirit of Charlie Askins, put one where it really hurts-the throat, e.g.....

 

[Kleanbore]

If you can channel the spirit of Charlie Askins, put one where it really hurts-the throat, e.g.....

An unrealistic idea for SD.....

 

[JTHunter]

Sorry for the delay in replying but it has been a busy time here prepping for rotator cuff surgery.
The reason I would fire both barrels is because of that devastating effect. I would also aim for either the crotch or the neck, depending on which one appears to be the least covered/protected. G. Gordon Liddy used to have a phrase that "Body armor doesn't cover everything." Depending on that possibility, the crotch and neck are likely the weakest points - and the most vulnerable (the femoral artery in each leg & the carotid artery/jugular vein in the neck).
As for mixed ammo in the AK magazine, the FMJ will penetrate - but not expand (might tumble). The pointed soft points (PSP) won't penetrate as well but will expand while the JHPs will likely expand the most but have the least penetration.
With Governor "Jabba" having signed that odious piece of excrement legislation banning "modern sporting rifles" and requiring their "registration" with the state police in 300 days, I just feel like being ready for any eventuality.

 

[Kleanbore]

The reason I would fire both barrels is because of that devastating effect.

I would not want those words read at trial after the event.

Nor would i want to face the other guy with an empty gun.

 

[JTHunter]

I would not want those words read at trial after the event.

Nor would i want to face the other guy with an empty gun.

Take a look at the picture in post #28. If - IF - the 12 gauge gets used, they are at my bedroom door with no feasible exit for me except "through" them. I won't go "hunting" them but will defend myself as I would be backed into a corner - literally. The ability to eliminate the threat in a single shot is the reason for using the shotgun.

 

[Kleanbore]

I won't go "hunting" them but will defend myself as I would be backed into a corner - literally.

Not the point.

The ability to eliminate the threat in a single shot is the reason for using the shotgun.

How about the threats?

 

[JTHunter]

Not the point.
How about the threats?

That is why the .357 revolver and AK are the "back-ups". Plus, there are 4 rounds (2 - OO & 2 #4 Buck) for the shotgun. If anybody is following behind Perp #1, not only are they going to be reluctant to come through that door, that hesitation will allow me to reload the shotgun and grab the .357 without exposing myself unnecessarily. There is also a MD light in the hallway so they will be bathed in a bright light, destroying their ability to see in the dark and they would be "framed" in the lit and open doorway.

 

[Kleanbore]

If anybody is following behind Perp #1, not only are they going to be reluctant to come through that door, that hesitation will allow me to reload the shotgun and grab the .357 without exposing myself unnecessarily

If you think so.

 

[old lady new shooter]

When humans or animals are shot with anything, there is generally a mess. Anyone who has tracked a deer shot through the lungs or guts knows this- the mess left along the way is usually how we find them when they run, and when we finally do find that deer, it is almost always laying in a puddle. No difference with people. I have had to clean our hummers and other vehicles out in afg. with pressure washers and buckets of hot water and big brushes. I wonder if a home insurance policy would cover things like replacement of carpets, paint, sheetrock, etc. if such a mess was made in someone's house? I suppose it would depend on the policy.

Don't remember whether my homeowner insurance covers cleanup, but my carry insurance (CCW Safe) does.

 

[Kleanbore]

I would use a claymore if I could.

That could go to mens rea and toward establishing a predisposition toward violence, destroying an otherwise valid defense of justification.

Folks, senseless comments that may sound cute in the computer room may come off very poorly at trial. That is mentioned in the ST&T Rules.

 

[Old Dog]

From the thread title alone, I thought this was gonna be another "same ol' thread topic," but I'll give kudos to the OP for coming up with a different sort of thread.

Homeowners' insurance likely won't cover clean-up, but it goes far beyond bleach, buckets, mops and sponges. I've seen entire rooms need to be re-carpeted, and depending on how much bodily fluids for how long, were in the carpet, maybe some flooring replaced as well. One bathroom suicide I was familiar with required a new tub and wall tile around the tub. Drywall, possibly insulation if it's an outside wall, might need to be replaced. Lotta cutting, patching, texturizing and painting can be needed. I know someone who found a bone fragment (apparently, a sliver of skull) imbedded in a wall after the "clean-up." 12-gauge shotguns can create big messes, too. Guess I never thought to follow up with anyone and ask if their homeowner insurance helped out...

But, as considerations for using firearms for self-defense go, this one isn't nearly as tiresome as talking about how using your full custom 1911 for defensive purposes is a bad idea, 'cause it'll just spend the next three years in an evidence locker, and even if you ever get it back it'll be rusty, pitted and have an evidence number engraved on it.

 

[N555]

That could go to mens rea and toward establishing a predisposition toward violence, destroying an otherwise valid defense of justification.

Folks, senseless comments that may sound cute in the computer room may come off very poorly at trial. That is mentioned in the ST&T Rules.

So what bore diameter, number of projectiles or level of kinetic energy is appropriate?
I know everything I say can and will be used against me in a court room some day. I'm good with that. Plus I got a great lawyer on a big retainer.

 

[Kleanbore]

So what bore diameter, number of projectiles or level of kinetic energy is appropriate?

Whhat will a jury think?

I know everything I say can and will be used against me in a court room some day. I'm good with that.

Be more careful about what you post.

Plus I got a great lawyer on a big retainer.

Don't kid yourself.

 

[Jeff White]

I know everything I say can and will be used against me in a court room some day. I'm good with that. Plus I got a great lawyer on a big retainer.

Why don't you ask him if he thinks it''s smart to post things like that online?

 

[N555]

Whhat will a jury think?
Be more careful about what you post.
Don't kid yourself.

This is your standard. You said a claymore was inappropriate and that it begs the question what is appropriate?
How about one number, any one of those 3, bore diameter, number of projectiles or a kinetic energy.
If you won't answer that then what specifically about a claymore is in appropriate?

 

[Kleanbore]

This is your standard. You said a claymore was inappropriate and that it begs the question what is appropriate?
How about one number, any one of those 3, bore diameter, number of projectiles or a kinetic energy.
If you won't answer that then what specifically about a claymore is in appropriate?

The entire point has been lost on you. It was not about whether the weapon might be "appropriate". It is about the potential effect of your public, permanent posting on a charging decision, and at trial.