ak-47 7.62X39 or .223

[RamboOntario]

is an ak-47 more accurate in .223 vesion or is it just the design of the rifle that is inaccurate
is an ak 7.62 just as accurate as a .223 ak?
i know the 7.62 hits harder and is heavier

 

[PT1911]

cant really say much to the .223 version but I have recently fired a New saiga in 7.62x39 and was quite impressed... my first 10 rounds at 50 yards with the irons and no adjustments were within a 2.5 inch group. definitely changed my perception of the AK design.

 

[rundm]

about evens on accuracy. the design is what makes it inaccurate. but accuracy is what you make of it. some people shoot them with 2-3in at 100 yards open sighted. sounds pretty accurate to me. I can't do it but I know some that do. I use a red dot on mine to make good hits at 50 and 100.

 

[FlyinBryan]

its just the basic design does not lend itself to accuracy.

both rounds in an ar platform are far FAR more accurate than anything ak can offer.

most ar's will shoot close to m.o.a.

while most ak's regardless of caliber are going to shoot minute of beachball.

 

[rbernie]

is an ak-47 more accurate in .223 vesion or is it just the design of the rifle that is inaccurate

I suspect that any accuracy difference between the rounds is lost upon the AK design. The AK is just not designed for punching holes in targets. I wouldn't call it INaccurate as much as I'd not call it highly accurate.

most ar's will shoot close to m.o.a.

Not so much, at least not for standard service weapons. Most service-grade ARs will shoot 3MOA, and only those that are set up for accuracy (trigger, barrel, floated barrel) will do MOA or better.

 

[FlyinBryan]

Not so much, at least not for standard service weapons. Most service-grade ARs will shoot 3MOA, and only those that are set up for accuracy (trigger, barrel, floated barrel) will do MOA or better.

ya, could be, ive never tried a service rifle before, and now that you mention it mine is free floated.

it would shoot close to moa before i free floated it though, but like you said, its no service rifle.

its an hbar in fact.

 

[ifit]

rambo, i was also curious about them rounds

 

[RamboOntario]

i wasnt worried about it at 100 yards just 200, 250

 

[KBintheSLC]

My scoped 7.62 AK is good out to 400 meters. It does about 2-3 MOA at 100 meters. A major part of the AK accuracy issue is the stock iron sights... they sort-a suck. I added a Burris Scout Scope, and a ghost ring rear iron sight. It made a world of difference.

There is a lot more arc in the trajectory of the 7.62 compared to the flatter 5.56. You can learn to compensate for that arc through practice.

I used to recommend the 7.62 since it cost about half that of 5.56... but those days are gone now. Russian 7.62 steel cased stuff costs the same as good American brass-cased 5.56 these days.

 

[wally]

AK in 7.62x39 is best. Good .223 mags are harder to find and about 2X the price when you do. The AK .223 mags lack the multi-nation standardization of the 7.62x39 and 5.45x39.

--wally.

 

[RamboOntario]

it sucks now that good 7.62 rounds cost as much as .223 ammo

 

[paochow]

My SLR-95 convert is still a 3 MOA rifle despite the addition of 922r US internals. Although not as sharp as my AR's, I'd be willing to bet it would run with a handful of sand in the action better than they would...

 

[jojo200517]

7.62 x 39 if you wanna punch a bigger hole thru more. .223 if ya wanna punch smaller holes thru thinner stuff faster and don't like recoil.

I see something in a pic that I can't stand and that is a plastic magazine. Please whatever caliber you get buy good mags. If not you will have a single shot on your hands if your lucky and your ammo isn't scattered out all over from the spring when the plastic snaps off. (it's happened to me at the rifle range and its not fun)

Yeah pro mag or whoever might guarantee it for life but if the bans are reinstated what do you think your chances of getting it replaced are?

 

[RamboOntario]

very nice ak

 

[elmerfudd]

What's going to make a lot more difference than the caliber when it comes to accuracy is the maker and the sights.

Some of us are pretty decent with the AK sights. Myself, I can shoot 3 MOA at 100 yards with them. Most people can't use AK sights worth beans though. If you're not good with open iron sights, then plan on using optics if you want anything resembling accuracy.

Saigas, Veprs, Yugo M70's, Arsenals and some others will, in my experience, generally shoot 3 MOA or better. I can't say the same for WASR's or MAK90's though and there are some other makes I'd also be dubious of.

 

[Maverick223]

The design makes it inaccurate; however the AK-74 is much more accurate and is a nearly identical design. If you are thinking about a Saiga, and I assume that is the case, you cannot get a 5.45 (because Russia forbids the sale of current military issue small arms, and it is) so I would lean towards the .223 version. There are other AK-74s out there and they are more accurate than their 7.62 brethren and the ammo is cheaper than 7.62x39 or .223/5.56. Ammo is a bit harder to procure locally, but is readily available online (prior to Obama anyway). The AK-74 gets my vote.

 

[sarduy]

i can get around 2 moa at 100 yards with my AK47 and about 1.5 with my Saiga .223, but i take my time to shoot.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=358803&highlight=saiga+range+report

 

[dscottw88]

however the AK-74 is much more accurate and is a nearly identical design.

I was under the impression that because the AK-74 is nearly identical to the 47 aside from the different cartridge and muzzle break, it's accuracy is just the same as the original design.

The AK-74 gets my vote.

Ak's in 5.45 have an inherently flatter trajectory due to the round as does the 5.56 over the 7.62. But I wouldn't be so quick to recommend the 5.45 model due to the fact that:
1: the round isn't domestically produced, but if it ever were, It'd be very very pricey.
2: All surplus on the market is corrosive despite the cheap prices.
3: Those cheap prices wont be around for long.

 

[Maverick223]

I was under the impression that because the AK-74 is nearly identical to the 47 aside from the different cartridge and muzzle break, it's accuracy is just the same as the original design.

Not in my experience, but I have only shot a 5.45 on one occasion so I may have gotten a good one (though I have heard similar reports from others)

It'd be very very pricey.

Why do you say that? Just curious...the air pocket in the front of the bullet could be eliminated for target ammo if that would be the source of additional cost.

All surplus on the market is corrosive despite the cheap prices.

They were designed for it...soap & water

 

[Maverick223]

i can get around 2 moa at 100 yards with my AK47 and about 1.5 with my Saiga .223, but i take my time to shoot.

Theoretically you should get about the same MOA at any distance (until you reach the transonic region). 1MOA at 100yds is about a 1" group, 1MOA at 50yds it would be a 0.5" group (200yds @ 1 MOA = approx. 2in., etc.). And your groups look to be about 2MOA, not bad for that commie garbage.

 

[sarduy]

ok....

 

[sarduy]

Theoretically you should get about the same MOA at any distance (until you reach the transonic region). 1MOA at 100yds is about a 1" group, 1MOA at 50yds it would be a 0.5" group (200yds @ 1 MOA = approx. 2in., etc.). And your groups look to be about 2MOA, not bad for that commie garbage.

maverick223... what i meant wwas that i can get a 2moa groups with my ak47 (wasr-10) chambered in 7.62x39 and about 1.5 moa groups with my saiga .223 with a 20'' barrel

 

[Maverick223]

what i meant wwas that i can get a 2moa groups with my ak47 (wasr-10) chambered in 7.62x39 and about 1.5 moa groups with my saiga .223

What I meant was simply a clarification from the post that you linked to. Looks like both do pretty well, I mean, for being Russian and all.

 

[sarduy]

i'm sleepy :

 

[Maverick223]

i'm sleepy

Me too, back up...just found out my Uncle died.