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AK-47 kaboom
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MMcfpd
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Ah, the invincible AK.
Floppy_D
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Yikes!
Evil Monkey
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What kind of ammo?
How old is the rifle?
Has it been cleaned through out its life?
Anything that contractor has done to it recently?
too many questions.....guns just don't blow up like that.
How old is the rifle?
Has it been cleaned through out its life?
Anything that contractor has done to it recently?
too many questions.....guns just don't blow up like that.
is there any more info on this?
looks like an out of battery firing. it doesnt take much to blow the dust cover off an AK. but id hardly consider it a serious kB ( in terms of the gun, sucks to be that guy though)
need more info, a look at the gun.
what was the round he had to clear? if it was a FTF that could indicate bad ammo. old ammo with bad primers could slam fire and the bolt attempts to bring it to battery
looks like an out of battery firing. it doesnt take much to blow the dust cover off an AK. but id hardly consider it a serious kB ( in terms of the gun, sucks to be that guy though)
need more info, a look at the gun.
what was the round he had to clear? if it was a FTF that could indicate bad ammo. old ammo with bad primers could slam fire and the bolt attempts to bring it to battery
briansmithwins
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AKs have pretty good mechanical design to prevent out of battery firing.
Given the bad earlier round I would suspect either a squib previous round or case failure.
It would have been good to see pictures of the damage to the gun. BSW
Given the bad earlier round I would suspect either a squib previous round or case failure.
It would have been good to see pictures of the damage to the gun. BSW
dstorm1911
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An out of battery discharge and inexperienced shooter as well, if ya listen to the audio "o.k I don't know how to turn it off" while attempting to figure out how to clear the weapon, these are "contractors" over in Iraq some of the absolute least experienced folks I've met ever, most managed to get government funding to setup systems over there and while great at trouble shooting windows etc.. the majority of the 150 e-mails I get everyday are from people just like this wanting info about what type of guns they should buy etc... as they are going to work for onea these contractors and feel they need guns, however have zero experience previously............ many and I mean ALOT of em send me pics or descriptions from role playing video games!!! thats their total experience level with firearms...
With ANY full auto maintanence is important, a dirty fireing pin and ya get an outa battery discharge as the round is stripped from the magazine...... was the cosmoline even cleaned out of the bolt on this rifle? doubtful the same exact thing can happen with an M-16 or M-4 except without a dustcover to be blown off the force goes into the magwell exploding the magazine out of the gun....... hopefully your fingers won't be wrapped around it at that moment...
With ANY full auto maintanence is important, a dirty fireing pin and ya get an outa battery discharge as the round is stripped from the magazine...... was the cosmoline even cleaned out of the bolt on this rifle? doubtful the same exact thing can happen with an M-16 or M-4 except without a dustcover to be blown off the force goes into the magwell exploding the magazine out of the gun....... hopefully your fingers won't be wrapped around it at that moment...
Slvr Surfr
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The guy was laughing and around to talk about it. You can't ask more from a bad situation, other than to not have it at all!
Gunnerpalace
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He was talking about the Video Camera.
The dude was lucky, that receiver cover saved his face and vision.
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Lonestar.45
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Probably a captured AK with captured ammo, and no telling how old or poorly maintained. That guy is lucky.
GTSteve03
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It's an AK. It's a piece of stamped metal and wood put together in a bunch of former Communist countries by peasant labor and shoots nasty steel-cased ammo with crappy powder. Even when they blow up they don't hurt the guy using it.
At least AKs don't choke on sand after a few rounds and require constant cleaning to keep shooting.
At least AKs don't choke on sand after a few rounds and require constant cleaning to keep shooting.
The Deer Hunter
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He just nearly got his face blown off. He probably isn't at 100%.
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"I am surprised those AK's don't have a device to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin before the bolt is in battery."
They do. The tail of the bolt carrier keeps the hammer from contacting the firing pin unitil the bolt has begun locking. BSW
They do. The tail of the bolt carrier keeps the hammer from contacting the firing pin unitil the bolt has begun locking. BSW
The Ruckus
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*palm to face*
As others have said, the dude was talking about the camera. C'mon don't consider them THAT stupid...
They do, if the hammer were to ride the bolt carrier down somehow there is a leg/protrusion on the rear of the bolt carrier that keeps the hammer off of the firing pin until well after the round is chambered the locking lugs have started engaging. Seems like on mine the bolt still had a slight bit of rotation it could still do right as the hammer could contact the rear of the bolt/firing pin but the main lug is already well locked in at that point I would think from looking at it. I don't know.
EDIT - Dangit I took too long to type that and look at my AK...
dstorm1911
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#1 A stuck fireing pin has nothing to do with the hammer at all, ya have just turned it into a fixed fireing pin, can happen to any gun using a floating fireing pin #2 since when is a recoil assembly EVER called a "spine"? #3 the rifle had already warned him of a problem notice him having to recharge after the first initial burst? ANYONE actually familiar with weapons would not have blindly recharged in a non combat situation but rather would have inspected to determin the cause of the failure................... been doin this Cr@p my entire life anymore observations needed? how bout listening to the guys in the background, its happened before yet they still have not had the weapons or the ammo inspected by an armorer to locate the problem? how bout the initial response from the background "MORE BAD AMMO" its a problem they are familiar with as its common to em yet a malfunction and the shooter does not check the weapon??? Dealin with some real pros there.......... I got a bunch more from the video if nobody else noticed all the other problems with these guys, in fact forget the shooter covering others with muzzle, actual trained shooters its a reflex trained into you to control muzzle position not something requiring conscious thought if the guy actually had any experience he would not have needed to be 100% instinct from training would have been to keep muzzle down....... how bout his buddy with the camera? If the shooter isn't capable of safe weapons handling then why did his buddy not take the weapon especially as he had just been covered by the muzzle?
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This seems like the cover blew off. It means it wasnt secured right in the first place. I had this happen to some one in front of me. In AKs (not so good ones) the cover is really a pain to place it back on. And some times would click, but not fit in its right place yet a like behind the notch where it should be- thus when firing a few rounds it will come off.
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Firepower, an out of battery detonation (or excess headspace detonation) always blows the cover off as the caseing explodes outside of the chamber the pressure from the expanding gas has to go somewhere it always tries to go up first, the smoke and dull exposed boom tells ya the round exploded before being secured inside the chamber its a familiar sight with those of us who'v actually spent much time with F/A weapons, if not properly maintained ya will end up getting an out of battery detonation, the cover is popped free of the groove in the rear sight block 45,000 PSI of pressure will always take off that dust cover....... when the same thing happens in an M-16 the solid receiver top does not allow the pressure to exit up so it goes down blowing the magazine apart instead while the AK usually suffers no structural damage to the gun itself from an out of battery detonation (usually clean out the debris, clean the bolt and reassemble with straightened dust cover) the M 16 usually is taken out of action as the force of the contained explosion trashes the receiver, the dust cover of the AK is usually flipped up at the front releasing it and the shooter gets dinged but very seldom any serious injury as the dust cover acts as a venting cap while being released directing debri and gas upward while sheilding the shooters face from the debris
heres a video of an idiot with an M 16/AR 15 not bothering to actually inspect his weapon either after its trying to warn him of impending doom, just keeps hitting that forward assist and cycling the action, he got real lucky, but I suppose we can just put it off as Cr@ppy American junk aluminum guns right?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=481_1181023978&p=1
the "bad primer" is the bolt not going into battery most commonly from a dirty chamber but is ignored by the inexperienced un trained shooter till it kabooms on him..
Only the extremelly inexperienced could watch the AK Kaboom and come up with comments blaming the gun or its design for a failure thats very clearly operator error, those defending that operator.......... please never serv as a range master as you will very possibly get someone killed due to your inability to properly recognize such a blatant operator error not recognizing that operator error will mean you will not act to immediatly take that shooter off the line preventing injury to himself or others.
Most of these "contractors" jumping on the chance to go to Iraq don't get any actual weapons training at all and generally have very little actual experience outside of basic target plinking, I deal with ALOT of them, they get about as much training as you would if ya take your shiny new AK/AR down to the local shooting hole and just walk up to the first guy ya spot wearin BDU pants and ask em to show ya how to shoot your new gun......... thats it regardless what any of ya wanna fantasize about bein mercenaries in Iraq etc...... they don't know cr@p outside of what most learn while hunting or playing video games.....
heres a video of an idiot with an M 16/AR 15 not bothering to actually inspect his weapon either after its trying to warn him of impending doom, just keeps hitting that forward assist and cycling the action, he got real lucky, but I suppose we can just put it off as Cr@ppy American junk aluminum guns right?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=481_1181023978&p=1
the "bad primer" is the bolt not going into battery most commonly from a dirty chamber but is ignored by the inexperienced un trained shooter till it kabooms on him..
Only the extremelly inexperienced could watch the AK Kaboom and come up with comments blaming the gun or its design for a failure thats very clearly operator error, those defending that operator.......... please never serv as a range master as you will very possibly get someone killed due to your inability to properly recognize such a blatant operator error not recognizing that operator error will mean you will not act to immediatly take that shooter off the line preventing injury to himself or others.
Most of these "contractors" jumping on the chance to go to Iraq don't get any actual weapons training at all and generally have very little actual experience outside of basic target plinking, I deal with ALOT of them, they get about as much training as you would if ya take your shiny new AK/AR down to the local shooting hole and just walk up to the first guy ya spot wearin BDU pants and ask em to show ya how to shoot your new gun......... thats it regardless what any of ya wanna fantasize about bein mercenaries in Iraq etc...... they don't know cr@p outside of what most learn while hunting or playing video games.....
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Out of battery i bet.
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