AK accuracy?

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After watching an interview with a counter-terror expert, I took his advice and looked at the ISIS online magazine Dabiq. I couldn't stand to read much of it, but this picture stood out.

This is one of their prominent photo's designed to help recruit people...look at the muzzle on that thing. It looks like it was run over by a Bradley fighting vehicle...and maybe it was. :what:

It just struck me as funny. I wonder if things like this might be driving a lot of the "AK's aren't accurate" type of comments!

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Thats the typical Russian slant brake muzzle widget. Its very simple, yet seems to be moderately functional in resisting muzzle rise on full auto. The angle of the picture is weird. Google AK slant brake for a better idea.
 
Yep, llooks like a slant brake. They do work somewhat well in full auto fire to keep the muzzle rise down. There is a small lip on the bottom that directs gas up and to the side to counteract the barrel twist and muzzle blast pushing the muzzle up and to the right.
 
That's an ISIS operator with new equipment on and a sweet looking AK to boot?

Sign me up, when they turn their backs I'll flip da switch and let them have the bullets first! Must be their idea of a joke as even I don't believe that pic! They must be using Baghdad Bob as a spokesman.
 
That's the way the brake is supposed to look. You'll find them on a lot of the older imports and WASR's. It works fine.

The three main problems with AK's accuracy are the short sight radius, the sights themselves, and the skinny barrels. The first two issues can be corrected with this:

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This moves the rear all the way to the back of the dust cover. That nearly doubles the original sight radius of the AK. Pricey upgrade tho.

As for the barrels, they bend like something I've never seen before. I'd like to see a manufacturer come up with thicker barrels for AK's, I think it would do a good service to the AK, but they've gotten along fine without them. Really, starting off with the sights is never a bad idea. The Russians had some silly idea that they needed to be as close together as possible.
 
Well, the dust cover rattles around.
So it isn't a good sight mounting platform.

Maybe the Russians were smart enough to figure that out??

They weren't big into accuracy traing either, so it didn't matter about the short sight radius.

rc
 
The forth item that has to be overcome is the heavy weight of the bolt carrier. You notice on the Russian Dragunov they modified the gas system to address this. Some AK's are more accurate than others. A longer sight radius always helps.
 
rcmodel said:
Well, the dust cover rattles around.
So it isn't a good sight mounting platform.

Maybe the Russians were smart enough to figure that out??

They weren't big into accuracy traing either, so it didn't matter about the short sight radius.

rc
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that sight isnt actually mounted on the dust cover but is part of the rear of the recoil spring assembly, they hold zero pretty well but are a PITA to field strip
 
Drag your AK thru your list of things to do every day and it needs to be cleaned of all the junk it picked up that can cause stoppages - not gas residue.

Daily cleaning for the AK applies for that reason alone. it keeps you from going "click" when it should have gone "boom." AK cleaning isn't about the gas action or it's fabled superiority, it's about preventing stoppages from things that get into them from outside the gun. You can't see a target with yesterdays muddy ditch still covering the rear aperature. Clean it.

Oops, you had the safety off when you did it. Hmm, mud in the action. No, AK's aren't immune to Joe Snuffy, of whatever nationality. He can break anything.

As for it's relative accuracy, it comes in two parts. First, ammo. What we see here sold isn't of the highest quality. AK's shooting $1 a round American commercial ammo generally improve a measurable amount. Second, barrel quality. They aren't getting high quality commercial barrels off cold hammer forges operated by FN or HK. There's a measurable difference. Add the two and you still get minute of man accuracy at 125m, which is all they need in combat. Military standards of accuracy are based on getting effective hits, not bug hole groups in tiny 1" black dots.

I read some time back a thread where a poster had built a high accuracy AK from parts available on the internet. He had over $1,200 in it. It can be done - but it's not going to be for half the price. Nobody gives away that quality of workmanship for nothing.

As for ISIS, they use whatever they took from the other guys in the field, all too often abandoned. They now have M16's and other American contract guns from the Iraqi's they acquired. If there is something to be learned from that, its that their culture can't design and manufacture their own battle rifle. They have to leech off more successful ones to gain their ends.
 
This is a photo of an isis fighter? Looks like some pretty good web gear, and Blackhawk gloves? So does that mean isis is getting US gear to fight with?
 
"...the "AK's aren't accurate" type of comments..." They aren't. Never designed to be either. They were designed to be issued to illiterate conscripts who could be trained to use 'em in as short a period as possible. Accuracy isn't necessary. 100% reliability is necessary.
As for ISIS, they use whatever they get issued by the Syrian government or can buy from Russian criminals.
 
AK and Accurate can go together....if you know how to shoot;) actually any firearm in general
 
Risky buisness said:
This is a photo of an isis fighter? Looks like some pretty good web gear, and Blackhawk gloves? So does that mean isis is getting US gear to fight with?
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Yes, they took it off of dead Iraqi Army soldiers, and the ones that defected keep theirs. That's where they got all the Humvees, also.
 
I have a 7.62x39 Vepr MD2 converted rifle that shoots about 2 moa with good ammo. thats pretty accurate
 
The web gear is mostly chicom made, they sell to anyone with cash.

Most of the AKs I've shot were 3-4MOA rifles, which is usable. I'm sure there are worse, and all the ones where the owners don't expect any accuracy, so they don't bother sighting the rifle in. AK inaccuracy can a self fulfilling prophesy.

BSW
 
I have never had accuracy issues with mine. Like others have said, the optic mounting systems on AK's is less than optimal.
 
TruthTellers said:
Between the SKS and the AK, which is generally more accurate?
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SKS tends to be a little more accurate... but I've see accurate AKs and inaccurate SKSs. Generally, the SKS tends to be more accurate.

SKS rifles have 20" to 22" barrels, compared to 16" AKs.

My WASR, which I shot yesterday, isn't an inaccurate rifle. Not my AR with stainless barrel, but can hold its own. However, my Yugo SKS is a tack-driver.
 
Like Larry Vickers said "AKs are more accurate than people say and ARs are more reliable than people say".

My buddies Arsenal is about 2-3 MOA with decent ammo and 3-4 MOA with cheap ammo. That's PLENTY accurate for government work.

Like a good buddy said once "No dude is going to get shot in the chest at 300 yards and look down and say "What is that, a 3 MOA group?"
 
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