Al-Sadr Calls for Punishment of Abusers

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In a Fox News story, Radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr demanded, "I tell this to Bush: Your statements are not enough. They (the guards) must be punished in kind."

While I deplore in the harshest terms what has happened over there, his demand does rather put things into context. To punish the guards in kind would require all of, what, say ten minutes, to get them naked, put on a hood and a lease, and take a few pictures? We're talking about some really juvenile conduct here, but litte or anything that really qualifies as "torture."
 
Hmm...a simulated BJ, a leash, a hood, and a nekkid dog pile with my buddies?

I'll take that over life at Leavenworth.
 
I would not be disagreable to that, IF it were limited to those guards.

Of course, I doubt that would satisfy some radical elements:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119325,00.html
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BASRA, Iraq — A senior aide of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr (search) told worshippers during a Friday sermon in southern Iraq that anyone capturing a female British soldier can keep her as a slave.



The aide, Sheik Abdul-Sattar al-Bahadli (search), also called on supporters to launch jihad, or holy war, against British troops in this southern city.

He offered money to anyone capturing or killing a member of the Governing Council, the widely unpopular interim administration appointed by the U.S.-led occupation 10 months ago.

Al-Bahadli, al-Sadr's chief representative in southern Iraq, spoke at al-Hawi mosque in central Basra.

It was the first time any anti-occupation activist of note publicly offered financial reward for the killing or capturing of coalition troops.

That offer likely will be viewed by occupation authorities with concern at a time of rising anti-occupation sentiment and continuing fighting between al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army (search) militia and U.S. forces in the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala.

A wave of kidnappings last month saw scores of foreign nationals snatched by insurgents and shadowy groups across Iraq.

Al-Bahadli kept an assault rifle next to him as he spoke to an estimated 3,000 worshippers, occasionally lifting it as he screamed "jihad!," and "Allahu Akbar!," or "God is greatest!"

He held what he said were documents and photographs of three Iraqi women being raped at British-run prisons in Iraq.

He also accused British forces in Basra of failing to honor agreements not to patrol inside the city and to stop harassing al-Sadr supporters in Basra.

Al-Bahadli said 250,000 dinars — about $350 — will be given to anyone capturing a British soldier and 100,000 dinars — or $150 — to anyone killing one.

He also called on government departments in Basra to display pictures of al-Sadr in their offices.

In Fallujah, a Sunni hotbed of anti-occupation resistance west of Baghdad, an estimated 400 al-Sadr supporters from Najaf, Karbala and Baghdad prayed at one of the city's main Sunni mosques in a symbolic act of solidarity.

Shiites form a majority in Iraq but were oppressed for decades by a Sunni Arab minority until Saddam Hussein's ouster a year ago. Sunnis have been embittered by their loss of power to Shiites in post-Saddam Iraq.

But last month's siege of Fallujah by U.S. Marines and al-Sadr's standoff with the Americans have brought the two sects together, with al-Sadr posters now in Fallujah and Shiites sending relief supplies to the city.
 
You cannot judge their culture by ours. What deeply offends us does not bother them and vice versa. As the husband of a FOB I have learned this the hard way many time. My step mother is Phillipina one day my father stepped over her when she was lying on the floor and she went ballistic.
I patted my wife on the head once and she chasedme through the house with a stick.
5 years ago I summond my wife by crooking my index finger at her in front of her mother, the woman still doesn't like me because of it.

What looks like a stupid frat prank to us has a very different effect on a different culture.
Besides that there has also been (unconfirmed) allogations of rape

If I were to issue the punishment of any of the guards found guilty of these crimes I would give them a discharge under less than honorable conditions for commiting homosexual acts. ( after they have served their time at Ft Graybar)
Not that I think there is necessarily anything evil abot homosexuals, but these guys seem to. So brand them with the same mark that they left on their victims
 
Dasterdly guards!

They should be forced to drink beer and eat pork rinds stark nekkid!
 
Ponder this juxtaposition: They feel that what our guys did to captured Iraqi soldiers is horrible beyond whatever is horrible. However, in the same story they also proclaim that, "Anyone capturing a female British soldier can keep her as a slave."

:barf:
 
I know, let's feed al-Sadr through one of Saddam's plastic chippers! Since we're merciful Americans, we'll do it head first.

What a phony. Within the walls of that same prison there was REAL humiliation, REAL torture, REAL mutilation, and REAL degradation going on, and the people who were doing it got promoted, not arrested and court-martialed.

Where was the Arab world's outrage then? Where was the United Nations' outrage?

Anyone still have a link to that video of Saddam & Sons whipping the bare feet of restrained men writhing in agony? Let's ask ABCCBSNBCCNN if they'll air that video right along with all these photographs that they've been showing. Think they'll say "yes?"
 
If anybody in our command structure even acknowledges this sputum, I would lkike to see heads roll. When did we start negotiating with mini-dictators and leaders of no-one? I say send him a daisy cutter.
 
Real Torture at Abu Ghraib

Some prisoners were humiliated by a petite American women? Can I just say, "boo f---ing hoo?" When will the press get some perspective on this? Perhaps when Peter Jennings buys a .50 BMG and appears in an "I am the NRA" advertisement.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6153325.htm?1c

June 23, 2003

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Basima Hamid last saw her husband, Naser al Saadi, one morning in 1999. He left to visit his family, and when he arrived, the Iraqi Intelligence Service was waiting at the house and arrested him. His crime: studying to be a sheik. For years, Hamid wondered if he was alive. One of Naser's older brothers has been missing since 1982.
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Hamid learned that her husband was lynched at 2 p.m. on Aug. 9, 2000, at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison. U.S. forces discovered 993 unmarked graves at the prison; her husband's body was in Number 860. The family found his bones and reburied them in Najaf, a city that's holy for Shiite Muslims.

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Naser Kasem was 29 when he got fed up with the Iraqi military and the beatings that came with service. So he deserted. The police picked him up at a checkpoint in Karbala.

He was dragged from a small, pitch-black concrete cell every two hours and taken to a torture room. There, he said, a man would crank up a small generator as another man got the wires ready. They shocked the bottoms of his feet and made him clutch the live wire with his hands. They poured molten plastic on his feet and pushed lit cigarettes into his flesh. They beat him with a stick and with an electrified rod.

Two hours later, he was taken back to his cell for two hours of sobbing, and then the police returned to give him some more. Then came two years in jail.

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Ali can't forget the first time he saw a man murdered. Hours after he'd been arrested, a local Baath Party leader came to check on the prisoners and noticed that two of the men had been shot. He pulled out his own handgun.

"He said, 'How are these dogs still alive? They should have been dead a long time ago.' And he pulled out a pistol and he shot them both in the forehead. He enjoyed killing people," Ali said.

Ali saw men beaten to death with pipes. One man who dared ask, "Why are you doing this to me?" had his hands cut off before he was shot in the head. His torturer said, "This is how people are treated when they go against Saddam."

"I could see it in other people's eyes. They died of fear before the bullet or the pipe got them," Ali said. "I was 16 years old and afraid to die, but I was just waiting my turn."

Ali went days without eating, and learned not to trust prison food when a rare meal left a handful of other prisoners with fatal diarrhea. A so-called "investigation" into the prisoners' actions ended with at least one man crucified.

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Ali was arrested a second time a year later and held for more than two years but, again, managed to survive. He described the tortures during his second incarceration - the beatings with electrical cables, the day his feet were pounded with bats and his toenails were pulled out - in a low, matter-of-fact voice.
 
That mullah has figured out that he can be a power-player in the "new Iraq."

Here's the deal: US is the big dog on the block and wants Kurds, Sunnis, Shiites and Baathists in the new Gummint. Mullah does NOT want Sunnis. So he leverages the US with his baloney. The message: I will screw up your 'new gummint' if I feel like it. Give me more power.

This is why the US started 'negotating' in Fallujah. In effect, we set up another 'power player' to offset the mullah. Let THEM fight it out later; all we want to do is get the hell out of there.
 
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