Alledged CIA agent killed by police after high speed chase

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A very bizarre incident yesterday.

An alleged CIA agent and CHL holder was killed by police after a high speed chase when he reached for a cell phone. No guns were found in the car initially but two handguns and a shotgun were found later after the car was impounded and more thoroughly searched.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou080430_tnt_chasefolo.b6bd990f.html?npc

This is the most recent of the articles I've been seeing today.

--wally.
 
When I lived in Houston , getting shot by the Houston PD wasn't something that took a whole lot of effort.

QUOTE: "No guns were found in the car initially but two handguns and a shotgun were found later after the car was impounded and more thoroughly searched."

This seems to be a fairly common event when the Houston P.D. shoots someone
 
Watched it on the news. The guy was an idiot. He ran from the cops after getting pulled over. They chased him for 10 min. get him pulled over again...they are on passenger side trying to break out window...he jumps out and reaches under his front seat, grabbing at something. In slow motion it looks like he is grabbing a gun. I think I would have shot him. He may have been innocent, did not look it, but he died of stupidity.
 
Article I read said he ran after the LEO found his CCW license, ***! Why would that cause someone to run? Sounds like a loon.
 
I knew Mr. Carnaby personally. He was a regular visitor to the local indoor range not far from where he was killed.

I never took much stock in what he said about his time in the CIA. It was known around the range that he did work for the Agency, but he never bragged or tried to pass himself off as some 'super-secret-squirrel' responsible for the Bay of Pigs invasion or the guy who knows the guy who knows the guy that knows the guys on the grassy knoll. I always thought that maybe he was some analyst responsible for researching data on troop movements or some such. Maybe he was trying to prop himself up as a CIA operative because his true job was mundane.

I think we've all had run-ins with those type of people. Some are more blatant than others a'la "Gecko45" imagined greatness, and the macho bragging of some 11Bravo trying to score with the ladies by saying he was thrown out of the SEALS because his ninja skills weren't quite what they were looking for. Then there are the true operators who are quiet and reserved when asked about their service, but may allude to some tidbit here or there, or have a funny anecdote about their service. Carnaby fell between those types. He was very charismatic and friendly. Remembered my name, always had a smile and a joke, and even asked about my wife after she quit working at that range. I liked him regardless if his background was true or not.

I can attest that he did carry multiple weapons in his vehicle. That part was true in the news. The reason why he ran, or what made him act the way he did to get shot...i don't know. For all we know, the aliens from Area 51 planted a chip in his head and it fried his brain. He could have been drunk or on drugs. Or, he could have been having a really bad day. The Dale Gribbles of the world will have fun trying to figure out his motives while the rest of us will quietly mourn the passing of a nice guy.
 
First I feel bad for the officer who was forced to fire on him. Secondly I feel bad for this mans family loosing a family member is never easy.

The sad thing is that this PASSES every "good shoot" test out there.
 
If a police man has his barrel trained on you do exactly what he/she says. they want to make it home safely just as much as you do and they will do whatever it takes.
 
Running from the cops? Very stupid

Reaching for something unseen when the cops are on ‘high alert’ after a chase? Very likely to be the last stupid act of your life.
 
He was president of the Houston AFIO chapter.

www.afiohouston.com

There's also this mention of him on the site.

"Boudi Carnaby
Army Intelligence, Ret. (WWII)

In Italy in mid-August, Boudi succumbed to his injuries from an accident. Boudi Carnaby takes his place with the fallen of America's finest generation. He is survived by his wife Antoinette and his three daughters; by his brother Vincent, by his sister Mary, and by his nephew Roland V. Carnaby, President of our AFIO Houston Chapter."
 
errr... My experience with the agency is that the less "important" you are the more readily they admit affiliation with you.

This guy could very well be who he says he is / was and the agency (if he was in the clandestine / operations branch) would deny his involvement, espically considering the circumstances of his death. Just saying...

The fact that they out and out said "he didn't work for us" means something. First, that is against policy. Second, many marines "work" for the CIA, but don't work for the CIA... He could have worked for DIA and been "leased" out, as a contracter for the Homeland, NSA. The Intelligence community is a big place. Hell, he could have been a "ghost".
 
I had a friend or twenty that may have been this... may have been that... but when you asked them, it was:

"I drive a truck."
"I'm a cook."
"I fix copiers."

Etc...

I assure you, none of them were cooks, truck drivers, or copier repair guys. And none of them would ever mention who they worked for. Ever. Even the ones that retired after 20+ years of service, most of it in the field.
 
"I knew Mr. Carnaby personally. He was a regular visitor to the local indoor range not far from where he was killed.

I never took much stock in what he said about his time in the CIA. It was known around the range that he did work for the Agency, but he never bragged or tried to pass himself off as some 'super-secret-squirrel' responsible for the Bay of Pigs invasion or the guy who knows the guy who knows the guy that knows the guys on the grassy knoll. I always thought that maybe he was some analyst responsible for researching data on troop movements or some such. Maybe he was trying to prop himself up as a CIA operative because his true job was mundane.

I think we've all had run-ins with those type of people. Some are more blatant than others a'la "Gecko45" imagined greatness, and the macho bragging of some 11Bravo trying to score with the ladies by saying he was thrown out of the SEALS because his ninja skills weren't quite what they were looking for. Then there are the true operators who are quiet and reserved when asked about their service, but may allude to some tidbit here or there, or have a funny anecdote about their service. Carnaby fell between those types. He was very charismatic and friendly. Remembered my name, always had a smile and a joke, and even asked about my wife after she quit working at that range. I liked him regardless if his background was true or not.

I can attest that he did carry multiple weapons in his vehicle. That part was true in the news. The reason why he ran, or what made him act the way he did to get shot...i don't know. For all we know, the aliens from Area 51 planted a chip in his head and it fried his brain. He could have been drunk or on drugs. Or, he could have been having a really bad day. The Dale Gribbles of the world will have fun trying to figure out his motives while the rest of us will quietly mourn the passing of a nice guy."


Thanks for posting that.
 
"The Dale Gribbles of the world will have fun trying to figure out his motives while the rest of us will quietly mourn the passing of a nice guy."


Veritas vos liberabit.

Veritatem dies aperit.
 
Two common sense rules to follow:

1) Don't run from the police.

2) Don't go reaching for something (other then the sky) when the cops catch up to you, unless directed to do so.

K
 
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