= Verified with PV/Alliant customer service = Alliant to suspend canister powders significantly - Time for comparable powder substitutions again

For the IMR vs. H prefix powders, I double checked the labels from pictures of powder jugs sold by Natchez (example: https://www.natchezss.com/imr-powder-4227-rifle-powder-8-lbs)

IMR 4227 is made in Canada, packaged in USA
IMR 4198 is made in Canada, packaged in USA
IMR 4895 is made in Canada, packaged in USA

Note: The above are all "standard IMR" powders that were made by Dupont long ago, but have been made only in Canada in recent decades. Below are the two "oddball" IMRs made in Australia

Trail Boss is made in Australia, packaged in USA
8208 XBR is made in Australia, packaged in USA

For the extruded powders with an H prefix, all are made in Australia.
 
P Flados said:
Trail Boss is made in Australia, packaged in USA
8208 XBR is made in Australia, packaged in USA
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Correct.

P Flados said:
IMR 4227 is made in Canada, packaged in USA
IMR 4198 is made in Canada, packaged in USA
IMR 4895 is made in Canada, packaged in USA
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Listing updated.

Disclosure: While efforts were made by THR members based on available information obtained by the posting date, consider the accuracy posted with a grain of salt and please always reference published load data when developing your loads. When powders are recommended for calibers that lack current published load data, use them at your own risk.


Same exact powders (Same published load data, powder burn rate, charge weight and volume):

- Winchester W231 and Hodgdon HP-38
- Hodgdon HS-6 and Winchester W540
- Hodgdon HS-7 and Winchester W571
- Ramshot Silhouette and Winchester WAP
- Ramshot Enforcer and Accurate 4100
- Winchester W296 and Hodgdon H110
- Hodgdon H4227 and IMR 4227
- Accurate 2230 and Ramshot X-Terminator
- Accurate 2520 and Ramshot Wild Boar
- Alliant RL15 and Norma 203B
- Winchester W760 and Hodgdon H414


Comparable/close powders (Different load data, similar burn rate for reference BUT MUST USE published charge weight):

- Alliant Red Dot and Alliant Promo (Alliant recommends using Red Dot load data by weight and not by volume)
- Alliant Red Dot and Vectan Ba 9.5
- Alliant Red Dot and IMR Red
- Alliant Red Dot and Ramshot Competition
- Hodgdon Clays and Alliant Clay Dot (for shotgun loads)
- Hodgdon Clays/WST and Vectan Prima SV (for shotgun loads)
- Alliant Bullseye and Vectan Ba 10
- Accurate No. 2 and Shooters World Clean Shot/Lovex D032-03
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Alliant Sport Pistol
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vihtavuori N320
- Hodgdon Titegroup and IMR Target
- Hodgdon Titegroup and Vectan AS (for pistol loads) / Prima V (for shotgun loads)
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Ramshot Zip
- Winchester W231/HP-38 and Vectan 206V (for shotgun loads)
- Alliant Green Dot and Winchester W244?
- Alliant Green Dot and IMR Green?
- Alliant Unique and Hodgdon Universal
- Alliant Unique/Universal and Vectan Ba 9
- Alliant Unique and IMR Unequal?
- Alliant Unique and Alliant BE-86
- Vihtavuori N330 and Vectan A1
- Alliant Power Pistol and Vihtavuori N330
- Alliant Power Pistol and Alliant BE-86 (Power Pistol is canister version of BE-84 and slower burning than BE-86)
- Winchester WSF and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Alliant BE-86 and Alliant Herco (for 40S&W based on 2004 Alliant load data. No current load data from Alliant for Herco and 40S&W)
- Alliant Herco and Vectan A0
- Accurate No. 5 and Shooters World Auto Pistol/Lovex D036-03
- Accurate No. 5 and Vectan D-20/GM3 (for shotgun loads)
- Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Winchester AutoComp
- Winchester AutoComp and Shooters World Ultimate Pistol/Lovex D036-07
- CFE Pistol and Ramshot Silhouette?
- Alliant Blue Dot and IMR Blue?
- Accurate No. 7 and Shooters World Major Pistol/Lovex D037-01
- Accurate No. 7 and Vectan Ba 7.5
- Alliant 2400 and Ramshot Enforcer
- Accurate No. 9 and Shooters World Heavy Pistol/Lovex D037-02
- Accurate No. 9 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Alliant 300MP
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vectan Ba 6.5
- Winchester W296/H110 and Vihtavuori N110
- Accurate 11FS and Winchester Alliant 300-MP/Hodgdon H110/Winchester W296?
- Accurate 5744 and Shooters World Cowboy/Lovex D060-01
- Accurate 1680 and Shooters World Blackout/Lovex D063-02
- Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC
- Hodgdon H335 and Accurate 2230
- Hodgdon H335 and Shooters World AR Plus/Lovex D073-04
- Ramshot TAC and Alliant AR Comp
- Hodgdon 4895 and IMR 4895
- IMR 4895 and Accurate 2495?
- Hodgdon Varget and Vihtavuori N140
- Hodgdon Varget and Accurate 4064/Alliant RL15/IMR 4064?
- Hodgdon Varget and Lovex S062-01
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and StaBALL Match
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Winchester 748
- Hodgdon BL-C(2) and Lovex D073-05
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Accurate 2520
- Hodgdon CFE223 and Shooters World Match Rifle/Lovex D073-06
- Hodgdon 4350 and Lovex S070-01
- Hodgdon 4831 and Lovex S071-01
- Norma MRP and Alliant RL22?


Powder Origin (Sourced, not where packaged):

Accurate powders:
No 2 - USA
No 5 - USA
No 7 - Belgium now USA
No 9 - Belgium now USA
1680 - Israel now USA

Alliant powders:
Bullseye - USA
All "Dot" powders - USA
Promo - USA
Sport Pistol - USA
Unique - USA
BE-86 - USA
Power Pistol - USA
Herco - USA
Reloder 7 - Sweden
Reloder 10X - Sweden
Reloder 15 - Sweden
Reloder 16 - Switzerland
Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Reloder 19 - Sweden
Reloder 22 - Sweden
Reloder 25 - Sweden
Reloder 26 - Switzerland
Reloder 33 - Switzerland
Reloder 50 - Switzerland

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon powders:
Titewad - USA
HP-38 - USA
Titegroup - USA
Clays - Australia now Canada
International Clays - Australia now Canada
Universal - Australia now Canada
CFE Pistol - USA
HS-6 - USA
Longshot - USA
H110 - USA
H322 - Australia
H335 - USA
H380 - USA
H414 - USA
CFE 223 - USA
Lil' Gun - USA
Hybrid 100V - USA
Benchmark - Australia
BL-C(2) - USA
H4198 - Australia
H4227 - Australia
H4350 - Australia
H4831 - Australia
H4831 SC - Australia
H4895 - Australia now USA?
Varget - Australia
50 BMG - Australia
H1000 - Australia
Leverevolution - USA
Superformance - USA
Retumbo - Australia
US869 - USA

IMR powders:
700X - Canada
800X - Canada
PB - Canada
IMR Trail Boss - Australia
SR 4756 - Canada
SR 4759 - Canada
SR 7625 - Canada
I3031 - Canada
I4007 SSC - Canada
I4064 - Canada
I4166 - Canada
I4198 - Canada
I4227 - Canada
I4320 - Canada
I4350 - Canada
I4451 - Canada
I4895 - Canada
I4831 - Canada
I4955 - Canada
I7828 - Canada
I7828 SSC - Canada
I7977 - Canada
8208 XBR - Australia

Maxam/CSB powders - Spain

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries
N203 - Sweden
MRP - Sweden

Ramshot powders:
Silhouette - USA
ZIP - Belgium
True Blue - Belgium
TAC - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester Powders:
StaBALL powders - USA
AA Lite - USA
231 - USA
244 - USA
WST - USA
WSF - USA
WSH - USA
AutoComp - USA
296 - USA
748 - USA
760 - USA
Supreme 780 - USA
 
armoredman said:
RL 15 ... pounds were $54 and 8 pounders were well north of $400. I grabbed some TAC at $34 each and boogied.
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Same here. When I finally found some rifle powders for 55/62/69/75 gr testing, they were marked $59 per pounds and I ended up not buying them.

Instead, I placed an order for Natchez and paid $34 for TAC and bought more of H335 at $39.
 
LiveLife said:
Same here. When I finally found some rifle powders for 55/62/69/75 gr testing, they were marked $59 per pounds and I ended up not buying them.

Instead, I placed an order for Natchez and paid $34 for TAC and bought more of H335 at $39.
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Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC are comparable/close so this ought to be interesting.

I decided a long time ago that my shooting habits are such that cost of components is really not a factor in my purchase decisions. But sweet Maryjane is it getting harder to stick to that!
 
LiveLife said:
Same here. When I finally found some rifle powders for 55/62/69/75 gr testing, they were marked $59 per pounds and I ended up not buying them.

Instead, I placed an order for Natchez and paid $34 for TAC and bought more of H335 at $39.
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N135 would be great... Midway was 309 less than 40 a pound...
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Hodgdon H335 and Ramshot TAC are comparable/close so this ought to be interesting.
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H335 was like W231/HP-38 for pistol loads, good all purpose target load powders for 380Auto/.38 Spl/9mm/40S&W/45ACP/45Colt and later Promo took over general purpose range blasting loads for 9mm/45ACP and PCC in 9mm (I haven't done load development for 40S&W/45ACP PCC loads yet ... I am planning to do it this summer after .223 55/62/69/75 gr 0.1 gr incremental load development).

Then Johnny's Reloading Bench and others started getting really good groups with AR Comp but it was hardly available along with Benchmark which I had hoped to compare with. Well, when they were finally available, prices kept going up and now it's around $60 per pound. And what if even I was to spend the money to buy 8 lbs and when that ran out, AR Comp was not readily available or Alliant haven't started making canisters powders in full production?

I even thought about biting the bullet and buying 8 lb containers of Varget, H4895, AR Comp and even Vihtavuori powders to try out but when the shopping cart tipped over $1500, I took a step back and did some thinking and decided to buy more of H335 and BL-C(2) I had on hand and add TAC (I had already picked up a pound of StaBALL Match at $59 to try).

So I am planning to test H335 for 55/62 gr, TAC for 62/69 gr and BL-C(2)/StaBALL Match for 69/75 gr.

AJC1 said:
N135 would be great... Midway was 309 less than 40 a pound...
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GeoDudeFlorida said:
I decided a long time ago that my shooting habits are such that cost of components is really not a factor in my purchase decisions.
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When Vihtavuori powder pricing became comparable to Hodgdon/Alliant powders and for a while even cheaper, I seriously thought about picking up a pound each of N320/N340 (Which I had already tested but now for PCC loads) and N130/N135/N140. But decided if I was going to spend so much time doing 0.1 gr incremental load development, it would benefit more of THR members to do with more commonly available powders at lower prices.
 
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Soonerpesek said:
You’re kinda the VV spokesperson ‘round here…..
Has your experience found a comparable VV powder to Unique in burn rate AND download-ability…..?
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I haven't used the 300 series. For most people n340 or n350 would do most everything.... I shoot a lot of mag loadings so I just bought an 8 of n110 that came in yesterday.... I'm a value guy that lived and still load with a looot of ramshot.... I got 8lbs of blue dot in trade for 8lbs of tac so I went wild with that, only 2lbs left in a year.
I've used 2 lbs of n135 in 308 and a third pound is on the shelf....
 
AJC1 said:
I haven't used the 300 series. For most people n340 or n350 would do most everything.... I shoot a lot of mag loadings so I just bought an 8 of n110 that came in yesterday.... I'm a value guy that lived and still load with a looot of ramshot.... I got 8lbs of blue dot in trade for 8lbs of tac so I went wild with that, only 2lbs left in a year.
I've used 2 lbs of n135 in 308 and a third pound is on the shelf....
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You’re going to miss that Blue Dot when it’s gone. There’s really nothing else like it. 800x is close but no cigar. No.7 does a lot of the same things but not the same way. Maybe N350 is The It but I haven’t tried it so can’t say for sure. If you do a SxS between N350 and Blue Dot I would be interested in the results. I’m only four or five years from running out. At my current rate of use.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
You’re going to miss that Blue Dot when it’s gone. There’s really nothing else like it. 800x is close but no cigar. No.7 does a lot of the same things but not the same way. Maybe N350 is The It but I haven’t tried it so can’t say for sure. If you do a SxS between N350 and Blue Dot I would be interested in the results. I’m only four or five years from running out. At my current rate of use.
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There are two oddball powders, and I bet 3n38 is closer to bluedot.... so many powders to test so little time..... I'm working on a imr4198 load with 7.7 and then 6.5x55 with 140 matchburners and n165.
 
LiveLife said:
H335 was like W231/HP-38 for pistol loads
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LiveLife said:
So I am planning to test H335 for 55/62 gr, TAC for 62/69 gr and BL-C(2)/StaBALL Match for 69/75 gr.
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If I didn't shoot 357 Magnum, I wouldn't be bothered too much if those were the only powders I could afford. H335, TAC, & W231 cover everything I use except full power 357 Magnum loads. W231 works great for 38 Special and 357 Mag target level loads. If I can't find good loads with the rifle powders from Shooters World, I may revisit TAC. I didn't do the same level of load development with H335, but I bet it would shoot nearly as good as TAC with light bullets in 5.56 and I bet TAC would shoot pretty well in my 30-30 too. Right now, H335 is the accuracy king for that caliber and the cast bullets I typically use.
 
DMW1116 said:
If I didn't shoot 357 Magnum, I wouldn't be bothered too much if those were the only powders I could afford. H335, TAC, & W231 cover everything I use except full power 357 Magnum loads. W231 works great for 38 Special and 357 Mag target level loads. If I can't find good loads with the rifle powders from Shooters World, I may revisit TAC. I didn't do the same level of load development with H335, but I bet it would shoot nearly as good as TAC with light bullets in 5.56 and I bet TAC would shoot pretty well in my 30-30 too. Right now, H335 is the accuracy king for that caliber and the cast bullets I typically use.
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26.0 grains tac under a cast 170 definitely gets er done...
 
AJC1 said:
I haven't used the 300 series. For most people n340 or n350 would do most everything.... I shoot a lot of mag loadings so I just bought an 8 of n110 that came in yesterday.... I'm a value guy that lived and still load with a looot of ramshot.... I got 8lbs of blue dot in trade for 8lbs of tac so I went wild with that, only 2lbs left in a year.
I've used 2 lbs of n135 in 308 and a third pound is on the shelf....
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How did N135 do in 308? what weight bullets? Close to the 4895s?
 
I tried to contact Alliant last night on there contact us online communication. This is what I got - All Fields Have to Be Filled In - tried 3 times thinking I was screwing it up same thing happened each time looks like they don’t want to be bothered now that this has came out on availability.
 
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