List of 30 Carbine Powders

[Mr_Flintstone]

I’m trying to compile a list of all powders that have published load data for 30 Carbine, specifically loads for M1 Carbine. I have only used Win 296 and IMR 4227 in my loads, but I’m very interested in other powders out there that will function in my M1 Carbine. So far I have come up with the following: Win 296/H110, Hodgdon Lil Gun, IMR 4227, Alliant 2400, Accurate No. 9, Accurate 4100, Ramshot Enforcer, Vihtavuori N110, and in a pinch IMR 4198 and Accurate 1680. Are there any others? What other published data is out there?

 

[GooseGestapo]

I’ve only used #2400, H110/296, LilGun, Acc#9, and; Unique and LongShot in cast pistol loads.
Nothing beats a powder coated Lee 93gr .311” RN over 11.2gr of #2400 for a target/plinking load…
Nothing matches 15.0gr of H110 and a Sierra 110gr Spt. For power/accuracy. It holds the CMP/NRA NATIONAL Record in .30Carbine bullseye competition.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

For the most part and powder suitable for full power magnum handgun ammo will do fine in the 30 Carbine.

Like mentioned above, 2400, W296/H110 and AA#9. Additionally, 300-MP, Lil'Gun, AA-4100 and Enforcer.

 

[gpb]

I find the cartridge specific books published by Loadbooks to be quick handy references for a specific cartridge. I have them for each of the cartridges that I reload for along with the normal multi-cartridge reference books. (Hornady, Siearra, Speer, Lyman, etc.)

loadbooks link

30 Carbine Book

 

[FROGO207]

Take this data with caution and if not fimilar with working up loads with unpublished info do not attempt!

I have messed around with loads using pistol propellants and 110 lead bullets for my 30 Carbine Blackhawks but data for these is not really available.
I started off with starting loads for 32 H&R magnum lead and worked into 327 Federal lead loads. I have not tried jacketed data or bullets yet.

 

[n2omike]

With everything I read, H110/W296 is the clear winner for higher pressure loads. No contest.
However, not everyone wants high pressure loads, especially when casting bullets for plinking duty.
In my experience with other calibers, H110 works great near full pressure, but gets really inconsistent when downloaded. 4227 seems to download a lot better than H110. 4227 works amazing with 300 BO subs. Would probably work fairly well in 30 Carbine as well. Would definitely be one to test.
No direct experience with the other powders listed in similar calibers... so can't comment there.

 

[BrotherMaynard]

Loaddata.com has a couple for the M1 using Accurate 5744 (110 gr JSP and 115 cast).

 

[Savage30L]

Hodgdon shows a couple of loads using IMR SR 4759.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

With everything I read, H110/W296 is the clear winner for higher pressure loads. No contest.
However, not everyone wants high pressure loads, especially when casting bullets for plinking duty.
In my experience with other calibers, H110 works great near full pressure, but gets really inconsistent when downloaded. 4227 seems to download a lot better than H110. 4227 works amazing with 300 BO subs. Would probably work fairly well in 30 Carbine as well. Would definitely be one to test.
No direct experience with the other powders listed in similar calibers... so can't comment there.

H110 (W296) was the original 30 Carbine powder and was used throughout WWII. Of course there is nothing wrong with it but since we now have 8 or more powders suitable for that cartridge it's possible another powder will do a better job in certain rifles. Also, with the thin supply of powders available today it's possible a loader might have one of the n powders mentioned so they can still load that cartridge without waiting cor H110 to become available.

300-MP and Enforcer will deliver similar if not higher velocities that H110 does. They are also more versatile that H110 with less that full power loads.

 

[Mr_Flintstone]

H110 (W296) was the original 30 Carbine powder and was used throughout WWII. Of course there is nothing wrong with it but since we now have 8 or more powders suitable for that cartridge it's possible another powder will do a better job in certain rifles. Also, with the thin supply of powders available today it's possible a loader might have one of the n powders mentioned so they can still load that cartridge without waiting cor H110 to become available.

300-MP and Enforcer will deliver similar if not higher velocities that H110 does. They are also more versatile that H110 with less that full power loads.

Well, yes and no. From my research, WC820 and HPC5 were the original powders used in the .30 Carbine. Long gone is Hercules HPC5, but from what I’ve read most of the early H110 commercial powder was actually rebranded surplus and pull down WC820. Hodgdon (in their typical fashion) contracted with powder manufacturers to make a commercial equivalent to the early surplus powder and phased it out in favor of contracted production. Winchester 296 is also just rebranded H110. Apparently it began life as Win 295 for use in 410 and magnum pistols, but early reports of reduced shotgun loads causing pressure issues prompted Winchester to drop the Win 295 name and rebrand it as Win 296 for use in magnum pistols and .30 carbine. At any rate, H110 and Win 296 are the commercial equivalents of the original military 30 carbine load… or so I’ve read.

 

[Alaskamike]

I haven't seen it mentioned yet, but Accurate #11FS should work well too.

 

[35 Whelen]

I’m trying to compile a list of all powders that have published load data for 30 Carbine, specifically loads for M1 Carbine. I have only used Win 296 and IMR 4227 in my loads, but I’m very interested in other powders out there that will function in my M1 Carbine. So far I have come up with the following: Win 296/H110, Hodgdon Lil Gun, IMR 4227, Alliant 2400, Accurate No. 9, Accurate 4100, Ramshot Enforcer, Vihtavuori N110, and in a pinch IMR 4198 and Accurate 1680. Are there any others? What other published data is out there?

I've used a lot of H110/W296, which are one and the same, with jacketed bullets. But I recently discovered AA4100/Ramshot Enforcer, which likewise are one and the same. They will allow one to push a 110 gr. jacketed very close to 2200 fps. I use 14.8 grs. of said powder, which is around 1.0 gr. below maximum, a get around 2040 fps and accuracy is great-

For use with cast bullets, I REALLY like AL410. Bear in mind there is no published data for use in the .30 Carbine, so I used 2400 data and started really, low, working my way up. Use at your own risk-

There you go!!

35W

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Well, yes and no. From my research, WC820 and HPC5 were the original powders used in the .30 Carbine. Long gone is Hercules HPC5, but from what I’ve read most of the early H110 commercial powder was actually rebranded surplus and pull down WC820. Hodgdon (in their typical fashion) contracted with powder manufacturers to make a commercial equivalent to the early surplus powder and phased it out in favor of contracted production. Winchester 296 is also just rebranded H110. Apparently it began life as Win 295 for use in 410 and magnum pistols, but early reports of reduced shotgun loads causing pressure issues prompted Winchester to drop the Win 295 name and rebrand it as Win 296 for use in magnum pistols and .30 carbine. At any rate, H110 and Win 296 are the commercial equivalents of the original military 30 carbine load… or so I’ve read.

If you want to play the powder name games fine. If you want to show everyone how much you think you know, fine again. We all know that WC-820 is the none canister version of H110 but they are the same.

As for W296 being rebranded W295, no sir, it is not. W295 was discontinued and replaced but W296 just as W230 was discontinued and replaced but W231. There were various reasons but I won't list them because I have no need to show everyone how much I know, or think I know about powders.

 

[Mr_Flintstone]

If you want to play the powder name games fine. If you want to show everyone how much you think you know, fine again. We all know that WC-820 is the none canister version of H110 but they are the same.

As for W296 being rebranded W295, no sir, it is not. W295 was discontinued and replaced but W296 just as W230 was discontinued and replaced but W231. There were various reasons but I won't list them because I have no need to show everyone how much I know, or think I know about powders.

No disrespect intended, and I will be the first to admit that I am no expert in this matter. I defer to your knowledge in this situation. As I said, I had read that information in an article about the 30 carbine.

And thank you for clearing that up with Win 295 and Win 296. It is hard to find specific information about older powders, especially when powder companies keep merging and powders keep getting reformulated. I still can’t even get a straight answer about IMR 4227 and H4227 from Hodgdon except that they are considered the same powder now.

 

[lightman]

I've used Win 296, H110, IMR4227, 2400 and Unique. I've pretty much settled on H110 for Jacketed bullets and Unique for Cast bullets.