GBExpat
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? Perhaps this is not the best thread in which to ask about which handgun is best to keep with me while taking a shower ?
Am I too critical of some fellow gun owners here?
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Justin
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In a word?
No.
Cannonball888
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Hokkmike , there may be some here like you describe as OTT, but in my opinion they are a minority on this forum.
Old Dog
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Hokkmike, my answer to you:
No.
-- Not after seeing three pages of threads started by someone regaling us with his after-action report on a traffic stop ... or countless threads posing the question, "How do I handle a traffic stop?"
-- Not after reading the myriad of posts over the years on variations of "how do I handle dating/intimacy when carrying a gun?"
-- or "how I do handle using a public restroom to do #2 when carrying a gun?" ...
-- Not after countless vitriolic threads and posts whining that cops can carry guns anywhere, so why can't private citizens? ...
-- Not after 869 threads asking, "Which should I buy next, the Glock or the SIG?"
-- Not after 452 threads inquiring, "Which gun for my wife/girfriend?"
Sometimes, one just wants to scream out, "Where's all the common sense gone?"
Of course, I do pack a j-frame in a jacket pocket when skiing ... (darn unruly snowboarders! ... just kidding, it's a long drive to the ski areas, and I don't like leaving firearms in my vehicle.)
No.
-- Not after seeing three pages of threads started by someone regaling us with his after-action report on a traffic stop ... or countless threads posing the question, "How do I handle a traffic stop?"
-- Not after reading the myriad of posts over the years on variations of "how do I handle dating/intimacy when carrying a gun?"
-- or "how I do handle using a public restroom to do #2 when carrying a gun?" ...
-- Not after countless vitriolic threads and posts whining that cops can carry guns anywhere, so why can't private citizens? ...
-- Not after 869 threads asking, "Which should I buy next, the Glock or the SIG?"
-- Not after 452 threads inquiring, "Which gun for my wife/girfriend?"
Sometimes, one just wants to scream out, "Where's all the common sense gone?"
Of course, I do pack a j-frame in a jacket pocket when skiing ... (darn unruly snowboarders! ... just kidding, it's a long drive to the ski areas, and I don't like leaving firearms in my vehicle.)
Dr. Peter Venkman
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Crime doesn't happen when it is convenient for you. My $0.02.
MarcusWendt
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LMAO!!!! You made me spit my Chili out. BAAWWWHHAAAHAAAHAAA
MarcusWendt
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Double post
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Hokkmike, I agree that some posts are over the top, but we have a pretty serious bunch of moderators here who tend to hold it down -- not only by deleting posts (and sometimes whole threads), but by interjecting some common sense and gentle warnings about the trends a thread may be taking.
I don't agree with them all the time, but I have to respect their actions.
As far as me, myself, and I are concerned, I wonder sometimes about the over-reaching "tactical" discussions, since I'm happy carrying either a GI 1911, my 10-5, or my detective special. Yes, I once carried all three, just because I could, but the inconvenience of seeming to have to swing toward the North Magnetic Pole all the time outweighed the "fun" of being able to do so.
There's a party with the sig line (duly credited to the originator) which goes: "It's not the odds, it's the stakes."
My friend, all that has to happen is be beat up two-and-a-half times, like me. (I was rescued from one attempt.)
And then you will carry whenever and wherever legally possible.
Like me.
I don't agree with them all the time, but I have to respect their actions.
As far as me, myself, and I are concerned, I wonder sometimes about the over-reaching "tactical" discussions, since I'm happy carrying either a GI 1911, my 10-5, or my detective special. Yes, I once carried all three, just because I could, but the inconvenience of seeming to have to swing toward the North Magnetic Pole all the time outweighed the "fun" of being able to do so.
There's a party with the sig line (duly credited to the originator) which goes: "It's not the odds, it's the stakes."
My friend, all that has to happen is be beat up two-and-a-half times, like me. (I was rescued from one attempt.)
And then you will carry whenever and wherever legally possible.
Like me.
littlegator
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True, but some of the scenarios presented in the op and others seem over the top IMO, such as CCW while trying to be intimate, for example. I read some of these threads and feel like some people have imprisoned themselved in their own fear.
I've gotten to know some people here and on other forums with backgrounds like that, and just like you, I don't feel as though I have any right how to tell them that something making them feel more comfortable is nutty and unecessary.
I think you probably see a mix from most posters here. No doubt there is some embellishment from posters who like to just tell what they think is a more exciting story. We have the previously mentioned people who have had something happen in their life to make them a bit more on edge. I'm sure we have a few trolls who just get a kick out of making up stuff to get people riled up. I think we see some posts that are just the result of someone being bored and having to post something and we wind up with "I wonder how you poo with a gun on...." Finally I'm sure we do have a few people that are a bit nutty, but what group doesn't. Ultimately if you decide to stay locked up at home and not go places because you can't have a gun, it doesn't hurt me. They're the ones missing out on life.
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Hokkmike
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Only if you want to come clean with the facts and show the caliber of person you really are!
RifleGuy
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Old Dog --
Sometimes, one just wants to scream out, "Where's all the common sense gone?"
Exactly, Sir. :banghead:
Sometimes, one just wants to scream out, "Where's all the common sense gone?"
Exactly, Sir. :banghead:
RifleGuy
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Hokkmike
I have read threads about problems carrying to church, to work where guns are restricted by state law, in a girlfriend's house when her parents object (should he break-up?), needing CCW holsters for weddings (formal clothes), having closet guns (apart from regular the regular carry or bedroom piece) hidden in key defensive locations, and problems associated with CCW while becoming intimate.
One writer even said that without his pistol hidden on him he becomes very tense and physically choked-up, and therefore actively works to avoid engaging in any and every activity or circumstance where he is deprived of his weapon.
Is it me, or aren't some of these scenarios just a little bit over the top? Where I live, in Pennsylvania, if you take a few simple precautions you need not fear to be without a CCW once in a while. And, I am proud to say that with as many good and law abiding citizens that do carry in our state that it is NOT high-noon in PA and further, they, these permits holders, add to rather than detract from the overall sense of public safety.
I live in the Detroit area. before we head out the door for Church, or grocery shopping, we all don our Kevlar vests & helmets. My wife lays down a barrage of fire while I run to the van, crouching and weaving in a serpentine fashion...
I have read threads about problems carrying to church, to work where guns are restricted by state law, in a girlfriend's house when her parents object (should he break-up?), needing CCW holsters for weddings (formal clothes), having closet guns (apart from regular the regular carry or bedroom piece) hidden in key defensive locations, and problems associated with CCW while becoming intimate.
One writer even said that without his pistol hidden on him he becomes very tense and physically choked-up, and therefore actively works to avoid engaging in any and every activity or circumstance where he is deprived of his weapon.
Is it me, or aren't some of these scenarios just a little bit over the top? Where I live, in Pennsylvania, if you take a few simple precautions you need not fear to be without a CCW once in a while. And, I am proud to say that with as many good and law abiding citizens that do carry in our state that it is NOT high-noon in PA and further, they, these permits holders, add to rather than detract from the overall sense of public safety.
I live in the Detroit area. before we head out the door for Church, or grocery shopping, we all don our Kevlar vests & helmets. My wife lays down a barrage of fire while I run to the van, crouching and weaving in a serpentine fashion...
You know I am guilty of giving the "after action report" of a traffic stop but then again how many other folks can say they puked on a cop car and did not go to jail?
But other wise I do absolutly dislike the folks that claim they dont do anything with out a gun. Did you buy a stainless gun just for the shower?
I agree common sense +100000000 to old dog
But other wise I do absolutly dislike the folks that claim they dont do anything with out a gun. Did you buy a stainless gun just for the shower?
I agree common sense +100000000 to old dog
poor_richard
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I definitely think that some of the comments here have been OTT (although I don‘t necessarily agree with some of the examples in the OT). I’ve even had a conversation with another forum member on this subject.
Tell me what would be OTT in my situation.
I live in house that has four separate apartments in it (two up and two down). Less than a year before I moved in, there was a man living with the people below me who took a young lady who also “hung out” in that apartment, and brutally slaughtered her in a local park. Just before I moved in, there was a rape across the street. The week I moved in there was a person who was breaking into the homes where women were seen alone, and robbing them while they were home (pretty sure I say some guy chasing that perp down the street the first night I slept here). There’s a elementary school four doors down from me, and about four years ago when they were renovating it, some of the construction workers were held up a gunpoint. Someone once threw a rock through my downstairs neighbors window. The neighbor in the house next door was broken into about five years ago. The spring before last there was a shooting two doors down where someone was squatting without the owners knowledge. Latter that summer there was a girl taken from the park across the street and raped (at 1700. Broad daylight! Probably looking to party with one of the drug dealers doing business on that corner). That doesn’t take into account all the drug dealers, crack heads, and street fights.
Thing is, this is a bad neighborhood, but it isn’t that bad. One block in two different directions there are doctors and nurses living who work at the hospital (decent neighborhoods). It certainly doesn’t compare to some of the neighborhoods in some of the larger cities like Detroit or New Orleans. Pretty young lady’s will jog around here during the summer (as well as other folks), and the local PD has a dedicated, neighborhood captain who is interactive with the local neighborhood association. Go anywhere from one to three blocks in the opposite direction of the professionals homes and it gets worse. This isn’t even the worst neighborhood in my town.
So, tell me. What is “over the top” in my situation. And please, don’t say “move”. That’s just condescending and doesn’t answer the question. (I seem to recall a thread by sm that even addressed that type of response quite well).
That said, I personally have notice some things here that do seem to me to be over the top. But I’d rather not throw another person under the bus just because I think they have an active imagination.
Tell me what would be OTT in my situation.
I live in house that has four separate apartments in it (two up and two down). Less than a year before I moved in, there was a man living with the people below me who took a young lady who also “hung out” in that apartment, and brutally slaughtered her in a local park. Just before I moved in, there was a rape across the street. The week I moved in there was a person who was breaking into the homes where women were seen alone, and robbing them while they were home (pretty sure I say some guy chasing that perp down the street the first night I slept here). There’s a elementary school four doors down from me, and about four years ago when they were renovating it, some of the construction workers were held up a gunpoint. Someone once threw a rock through my downstairs neighbors window. The neighbor in the house next door was broken into about five years ago. The spring before last there was a shooting two doors down where someone was squatting without the owners knowledge. Latter that summer there was a girl taken from the park across the street and raped (at 1700. Broad daylight! Probably looking to party with one of the drug dealers doing business on that corner). That doesn’t take into account all the drug dealers, crack heads, and street fights.
Thing is, this is a bad neighborhood, but it isn’t that bad. One block in two different directions there are doctors and nurses living who work at the hospital (decent neighborhoods). It certainly doesn’t compare to some of the neighborhoods in some of the larger cities like Detroit or New Orleans. Pretty young lady’s will jog around here during the summer (as well as other folks), and the local PD has a dedicated, neighborhood captain who is interactive with the local neighborhood association. Go anywhere from one to three blocks in the opposite direction of the professionals homes and it gets worse. This isn’t even the worst neighborhood in my town.
So, tell me. What is “over the top” in my situation. And please, don’t say “move”. That’s just condescending and doesn’t answer the question. (I seem to recall a thread by sm that even addressed that type of response quite well).
That said, I personally have notice some things here that do seem to me to be over the top. But I’d rather not throw another person under the bus just because I think they have an active imagination.
I answer the front door when the neighbor kids knock - even without the benefit of carrying extra mags or my surefire. I know I'm taking a risk...perhaps even being unable to fight my way to my rifle. When they turn 12, I might have to alter my plan.
siglite
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Well, I'm one of those that carries about 95% of the time. When I'm on my boat, I ensure that I have appropriate life vests, fire extinguishers, lighting, and and signaling devices. Know why? Because I've capsized in the middle of a large river with strong currents. I was pretty glad I had a vest.
I wear my seatbelt too, except where prohibited by law. And you know what? I do not wear my seatbelt because the law requires it. I wear it because I've crashed without one. It hurt a lot, and my wife and I are lucky to be alive because we were stupid. And we didn't have belts on. She was very nearly killed.
When I ride my motorcycle, I wear full race leathers, and a high quality certified helmet. You know why? Because I've crashed without gear. And you know what? It hurt a lot. I've crashed with gear too. It still hurt, but not so bad. Without the gear in my last crash, I'm certain I would have been dead. Or if a little unluckier, a braindead vegetable. Maybe best case, an IQ of 35.
I've been attacked on the street without a weapon. It hurt a lot. I've been attacked on the street when I had a weapon. It still hurt (had to deal with Fairfax county PD), but not as bad, nor as long. And it didn't physically hurt. It didn't physically hurt because the bad guy quickly reformulated a less aggressive plan when staring down the barrel of a glock 23.
Do I feel naked without a weapon? Yep. I also feel exposed on a boat with no life vests. I feel like I'm in danger when I drive my car without a seatbelt. And I feel like I'm not tempting the fates, but outright MOCKING them if I ride a motorcycle without gear.
So basically, what I'm leaning towards here, is that our experiences tend to drive these decisions. My experience has taught me that crashing sucks, capsizing in a river sucks, and getting violently attacked without adequate means to defend myself sucks pretty bad too.
As I read these posts, I began to wonder. How many of the people stopping just short of calling the "carry all the time, feel naked without it" folks "paranoid nuts" have been jumped by five guys with no one around willing to help. How many of them think it can't happen to them. I used to be among your ranks. Now, well, unless the law says I can't wear my helmet on my bike, you'll be seeing an Arai helmet logo as I pass you. And yeah, there's probably a handgun under my leathers somewhere, because I'm well aware that bad things happen in good neighborhoods. I've been there, and I've done that. Never again.
I wear my seatbelt too, except where prohibited by law. And you know what? I do not wear my seatbelt because the law requires it. I wear it because I've crashed without one. It hurt a lot, and my wife and I are lucky to be alive because we were stupid. And we didn't have belts on. She was very nearly killed.
When I ride my motorcycle, I wear full race leathers, and a high quality certified helmet. You know why? Because I've crashed without gear. And you know what? It hurt a lot. I've crashed with gear too. It still hurt, but not so bad. Without the gear in my last crash, I'm certain I would have been dead. Or if a little unluckier, a braindead vegetable. Maybe best case, an IQ of 35.
I've been attacked on the street without a weapon. It hurt a lot. I've been attacked on the street when I had a weapon. It still hurt (had to deal with Fairfax county PD), but not as bad, nor as long. And it didn't physically hurt. It didn't physically hurt because the bad guy quickly reformulated a less aggressive plan when staring down the barrel of a glock 23.
Do I feel naked without a weapon? Yep. I also feel exposed on a boat with no life vests. I feel like I'm in danger when I drive my car without a seatbelt. And I feel like I'm not tempting the fates, but outright MOCKING them if I ride a motorcycle without gear.
So basically, what I'm leaning towards here, is that our experiences tend to drive these decisions. My experience has taught me that crashing sucks, capsizing in a river sucks, and getting violently attacked without adequate means to defend myself sucks pretty bad too.
As I read these posts, I began to wonder. How many of the people stopping just short of calling the "carry all the time, feel naked without it" folks "paranoid nuts" have been jumped by five guys with no one around willing to help. How many of them think it can't happen to them. I used to be among your ranks. Now, well, unless the law says I can't wear my helmet on my bike, you'll be seeing an Arai helmet logo as I pass you. And yeah, there's probably a handgun under my leathers somewhere, because I'm well aware that bad things happen in good neighborhoods. I've been there, and I've done that. Never again.
I could be wrong, but I don't think that is the gist of the thread. I think it has more to do with people who have back-ups, for their back-ups, for their primary, and continually run mental scenarios of gang bangers invading their bedroom at their mothers house in Mayberry. I too often wonder what people do for a living or where they live if they feel compelled to carry more ordinance than a SWAT cop every day. I don't think too many people here have an issue with carrying.
siglite
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Atticus, I think you're right for the most part. And, we've all seen people post what's probably ridiculous stuff by any reasonable measure. And most of us probably sat behind the monitor rolling our eyes. The Gecko45s of the world are going to be drawn to sites like THR.
But some of the comments in this thread read to me as ... I'm searching for the right term here ... condescending towards those of us who choose to carry any place we legally can. And while the word "paranoid" wasn't spoken, I saw it between the lines. But then maybe I'm just being paranoid.
But some of the comments in this thread read to me as ... I'm searching for the right term here ... condescending towards those of us who choose to carry any place we legally can. And while the word "paranoid" wasn't spoken, I saw it between the lines. But then maybe I'm just being paranoid.
poor_richard
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Are you suggesting that what you mentioned above is comparable to the following?
Maybe I’m missing the gist of the thread, but I thought it sounded like he did find them to be comparable.
siglite
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Yeah, maybe there is some similarity. Or at least a sliding scale between the two, and they're not that far apart as far as I can see. Where's that line?
You left out that part. But yes, I'd agree that if your lifestyle is pretty safe, yet you always feel threatened;your willing to end romances or close family relationships rather than put the CC away for a few hours; you're choosing between screwing your girlfriend or packing a gun; or a can't take part of a wedding ceremony unarmed....then yeah, you might be a little over the top.
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I dont freak out when im not armed but I also wont let anyone I dont know get anywhere near me without my hand on my knife. Used to let people close but then got held up at knife point. Knife to the neck makes you re-think about how safe you really are.
chris in va
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I thought for sure at some point around the time the event happened in Ill, somebody would point this statement out to him. Guess not. I'll be the first.
But anyway, yes there are a lot of OTT gun owners. Frankly some of the stuff posted on here scares me...but not much. People just need to be level headed, trained, diligent and consistent with their carry.
I just spoke to this before, I had a home invasion years ago, 80's, and having a gun on me didn't help one bit, most cops will tell you it is more likelly that you will be in a position in your life to aid someone else, like some crazy person, beating his wife in the street, or a robery in a store, perhaps a subway crime, stoping a mugging. But your house isn't a stage to have imaginary gunfights. and if someone is setting you up for a robbery, like a former girlfriend or a business partner who feels that you took advantage of them, an ex wife perhaps. Thats who usualy sets you up, and usually they know you are carrying a gun,probablly because you told someone who told someone else, or some guy overheard your employee at a bar. In cases like that , you seldom see it coming. Lets face facts, we all arent secret agents, trained like Jason Bourne. In my case after a year of investigation, mostlly by me, it was someone I knew. Yep a girl, I dated, she got pissed when she saw me with another girl, told some scumbags that I carried payroll and bonus money for Christmas, which I really didn't, they got very little,but for a while it was touch and go, Males and females can be very vindictive, and there is really nothing that you can do about things like that, other than having a Dog, an alarm, and a weapon handy. I didn't have my dogs then, or an alarm, ask me if I had both a week later. But when you hear certain folks who can't take a dump, without a gun next to the toilet, that goes way past normal. There is a point of paranoia, that is just not healthy, and serves no real purpose. Unless you are a fugitive there is no reason to walk around the house armed. You sure won't be getting many visitors after a while, and you really don't want to live your life that way, IMO
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