American Eagle clean-burning powder

[sbwaters]

Saw some Federal American Eagle .45 ACP cases at the range and they had burned incredibly clean.

Any idea what might be a similar powder?

 

[ReloaderFred]

It's not the powder, it's the non-toxic primers. You'll see the same thing in PMC and Blazer cases, and it's due to the priming mixture, which is probably DDNP (Diazodinitrophenol), or it could be their brand new Catalyst primers.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[Walkalong]

I thought the same thing when the non toxic primers came out, wow that's clean inside the case, and wondered if it was the powder, the primer, or the combination of both. I am sure Fred is correct, it's the primers.

 

[sbwaters]

Neat. Too bad the primers are not available for reloaders yet. And they apparently require different load data.

Keep on the lookout and start a thread when you see such things on the market.

 

[ray15]

It's not the powder, it's the non-toxic primers. You'll see the same thing in PMC and Blazer cases, and it's due to the priming mixture, which is probably DDNP (Diazodinitrophenol), or it could be their brand new Catalyst primers.

I do not believe this to be the case. American Eagle is available in an 'Indoor Range Training' (IRT) version, which likely does use a NT primer. But this is not the American Eagle you pick up at public ranges. In similar fashion, there is a separate 'Clean Fire' version of Blazer that does use NT primers, but that's not the (very clean) Blazer brass you find at the range. Standard American Eagle and Blazer uses standard size flash holes, where ATK-Conglomerate ammo that uses NT primers carries the NT headstamp and a markedly larger flash hole.

http://www.blazer-ammo.com/clean_fire.aspx

You can also see the difference by looking at fired brass from stuff like 9mm Winchester White box, which certainly does not use NT primers. The primer pockets are filthy, but the interior of the case itself is rather cleaner than anything I've been able to handload. The makers are transitioning to lead-free primers, but the common range ammo is still lead-based and there is a premium charged for the specialized and separately marketed lead-free variants that keeps them from being confused in the marketplace.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

It's not the powder, it's the non-toxic primers. You'll see the same thing in PMC and Blazer cases, and it's due to the priming mixture, which is probably DDNP (Diazodinitrophenol), or it could be their brand new Catalyst primers.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Are you sure?
It seems to me it’s a combo of the new primers and new clean powders

 

[1976B.L.Johns.]

I have found a few "NT" headstamps here in N. MN. Was wondering about that! Thanx for curing my curiosity, guys! (In a somewhat unrelated thread)

 

[Rule3]

Federal makes both their "regular" primer 45 acp and one with their new primer. Unknown as to what the OP picked up.

 

[ray15]

Federal makes both their "regular" primer 45 acp and one with their new primer. Unknown as to what the OP picked up.

Buy it's not hard to tell - if it uses a non-lead primer it will have a NT headstamp as well as a significantly larger flash hole.