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AMERICANS TO TEST SUPERGUN IN SCOTLAND
7500mph shell can kill five miles away
FURY OVER PLAN TO FIRE SHELLS AT MoD BASE

Jamie Macaskill Exclusive



AMERICA is to test a new secret supergun at a defence base in Scotland.

The electromagnetic gun (EM gun) will be tested at an experimental weapons range in Dumfriesshire.

The US Department of Defense believes the range at Dundrennan, near Kirkcudbright, is the only suitable location to test the new supergun.

But the move has sparked fury among concerned locals.

South of Scotland MSP Alasdair Morgan, an outspoken critic of the weapons range, yesterday slammed the US military's plans.

He said: "It is not as if America has a shortage of areas in its own country where they could test their latest weapons. I find it bizarre they need to do it here."

The MoD has faced complaints over its use of the range to fire thousands of shells coated with depleted uranium into the Solway Firth. There are fears the tests could be damaging the health of locals and the environment.

The EM gun is seen as a halfway measure before the US can perfect laser weapons.

Powerful magnetised coils create an electric pulse which can fire a shell at 7500mph - around two miles a second - and kill a target more than five miles away.

It's more than double the speed of shells fired by British and American tanks in the Gulf - regarded as the world's most effective - whose shells travel at around 3000mph.

The Dundrennan supergun tests emerged during a briefing in the US by America's top military scientist Mike Andrews. He told delegates at a military conference the EM gun would begin trials in Scotland.

He said: "One of the things we've been lacking is full-scale testing.

"You don't know how effective it will be until you load it up at full power.

"We'll be doing some full-scale testing in probably the only place in the world you can do that - Kirkcudbright."

The new superweapon relies on its incredible power for destruction.

Because of the tungsten shell's speed - it moves five times quicker than Concorde - it can tear through armour and buildings, even though it is only about a foot long and as narrow as a broom stick. Because of its small size, scientists believe tanks will be able to carry three times as many shells.

Three months ago, a senior scientist with the MoD revealed British defence chiefs were also interested in the EM gun.

David Hague, of the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, said in a paper: "The MoD wants to see an EM weapon system that we can use on the battlefield in 20 years.

"If we don't look into the use of EM launch technology we are in danger of becoming complacent.

"It's a high-risk technology but with a high pay-off if done correctly."

Details of the supergun are top secret although it is thought the US military favours a design by American arms giant Lockheed Martin. Under the George Bush presidency, funding for new super weapons was increased and Lockheed has been given research funding until 2007.

Development started under Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative - nicknamed Star Wars - in which the US military and scientists proposed using EM guns on satellites to shoot down enemy missiles.

Although shelved by Bill Clinton, research continued and the Dundrennan tests will mark the final phase of the weapon's development.

The US military hope to have the gun ready to use within five years.

A spokesman for the US Marines added: "It doesn't look like we're going to get enough destructive power with a laser beam. Will we have that in 2030? Probably."
 
Why are they testing it in the UK? Are they so stupid that they can't find ten miles of desert out in Nevada? Or is something else going on here? What kind of facilities do they really need to test this? Aren't the existing ones in the US enough to handle this?
 
Triad, you sound a little paranoid.
They thought about Nevada, but California has taken all there power to help with the brown outs :neener:

I see it as, better there then here, should something go wrong.
 
Powerful magnetised coils create an electric pulse

A powerful electromagnetic pulse... I'd wager that's the reason for the location of these tests more than anything else, less exposure to sensitive telecommunication equipment?

I recall reading about one of our first high-altitude atmospheric nuclear tests (part of the Plumbbob series, maybe?) that unexpectedly damaged sensitive electronic equipment from Japan to New Zealand.
Maybe these precautions are along the same lines.
 
The reason they're in the UK to test this is probably due to logistical concerns. I'll bet that the test infrastructure and equipment for the project's unique needs is simply better there and it's cheaper to rent/lease the time at their test area than build one here in the U.S. from scratch.

There's nothing scary/magical about EM cannon, be it a coil gun or a railgun. It's not some sort of "nuke" that's "unstable" or "going to blow". It's a track that uses either magnets (coil gun) or an electric arc (rail gun) that makes a projectile go very, very, very, fast. This is just tricky engineering and some reasonably well understood physics. It's not delving into some unknown territory that will have unforseen consequences. :rolleyes:

They probably don't even need to shoot the projectiles more than a few hundred meters anyway. At this point they're most likely concerned with refining the launcher and the power supply. Aerodynamics of the projectile and it's terminal effects are more trivial compared to making a launcher that can hold together for repeated firings, and a compact high voltage power supply that can fit inside a tank.
 
Quoting agricola:

keep your own mess to yourselves please.

No reason to keep up with our tradition of sharing weapon tech with our UK alies, right? :rolleyes:

We are talking about a gun, folks. It pokes holes in things. It isn't some sort of magical scary bio-weapon that could accidentally wipe out Glasgow or something. The idea has been around for decades. Why would anyone CARE where it is tested?

:rolleyes:
 
It almost sounds like they're worried about a backstop. Weird.

As someone else pointed out, it's probably mainly a financial and logistical decision.

Am I the only one who sort of doubts that we fired shells "coated" with depleted uranium?
And what exactly is the problem with DU, anyway? Is this the same reporter who claimed that the U.S. was using "tactical nuclear weapons" in Afghanistan with the intent of sterilizing good Muslims--because we used DU tank-killer shells? :rolleyes:
 
According to LM M&FC website, BAE systems is a partner in the development. Last I checked, they were based over there in the UK, right?

We're sharing the "mess". :rolleyes:
 
Why are the Euros bleating? Is it the DU?:rolleyes:

Someone tell those them that they get more rads from the telly watching that kiddie game they like (soccer) than from DU.

However, why test in the UK when we are designing the weapons here? Why not the Western wastes or Crane or anywhere here???:confused: Is LM in partnership with a UK concern?
 
agricola,

keep your own mess to yourselves please.

Will you be carrying a sign that says that?

Look, aside from the fact that five gets you ten a UK company was in on the design of this thing, let's focus on the fact that the "mess" it creates is, well, non-existant. Unlike the obsolete rifled 120 on your Challenger, which has a separate, combustible bag holding the powder charge to leave all kinds of nasty residue in the air, this gun will be powered by nice clean electricity. The penetrator will be tungsten, the same thing that's in the lightbulb in your ceiling. Safe as houses, unless you get hit with a piece of it moving at eleven thousand feet per second.
 
Guys, let's not feed the Troll!

The question about the rail gun isnt' "If it works". The concept works very well and is used daily around the world.

The question is can you build one practical for military use. This is where the heart of the matter is. I remember one rail gun experiment that fired a penetrator at 11 Kilometers per second. Indeed, very powerful.

The only downside to these weapons is the power supply. This is why we dont use these already. That and more often then not now days the rounds themselves are loaded with lots of electronics in the forms of fuses and seekers and such. An EM powered gun will be limited to firing dumb rounds, probably in a line of sight limited position or a dumb round indirect fire capacity.
 
tamara/others,

if its no bother, test it in the US then, im sure BAe or whoever can travel out to whereever you choose. I guess tho this is a continuation of"you want your politically sensitive weapons testing done?, best get it out of town" - first the south pacific, and now scotland.

still, i guess a gun that can dominate any tank in the world is going to come in really useful against the next decrepit regime that gets changed by GWB and his peaceniks, or the next al-Qaeda attack.

oh, and el tejon, any country that plays rugby with helmets, padding and other safety equipment cannot make any comment on the hardness of its national sports (dont forget that you also play faux-netball and faux-rounders)

association football strides like a colossus across all of your "sports", as the World Cup proves time and time again.
 
george,

i'm sorry, but you are talking nonsense. "feed the troll"? well sorry if i dont want US weapons tested in the UK, after all it is my country.... :rolleyes:

microbalrog,

they did. in case you forgot, they only entered the war to help us after the Germans declared war on them. They did assist materially prior to the war (for which this country is grateful) but anyone who states that they did it out of the goodness of their hearts is, sadly, wrong.
 
AMERICA is to test a new secret supergun at a defence base in Scotland.
Well it's not much of a secret NOW, is it? :rolleyes:

Why are they testing the gun over there, you ask?

Ssssshhhh...they're aiming for Paris!!!

:D :D :D :D
 
I really dont know why the military is wasting money on railguns. Once you throw together the huge power supply, huge cap bank, huge coils.. Its just not as practical as a chemically powered projectile.

They tested a powerful one, and the flux collapsed the metal building it was housed in :rolleyes:. I think it would ace the internals of a tank.

Lasers would be cool, do lasers.
 
Guys, let's not feed the Troll!

If you really think he's a troll, then why don't you ban him?

I don't think he's a troll as much as a small minded, ideologically blinded individual.

That article seems totally slanted. It manages to include uneducated criticism of the project without including any information as to why the military (assumably the UK's military, as well as the US's) thinks that Scotland is the only place the testing can take place. There is obviously a good reason, as logistically you'd think an American company based in Texas would rather fly to Nevada than Scotland.
 
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