plainsdrifter
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Ammo Up Or Down After Holidays?
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Buzznrose
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I’d start accumulating more now.
Mine shoots this stuff pretty well:
20 Round Box - 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by Saltech | SGAmmo.com
20 round box of 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by SaltechBrass Case, Boxer primer, Non-corrosive, non-magnetic boat-tail projectile. Observed lots were 2018 Manufacture20 rounds per plain unmarked box, 28 boxes per M2A1 metal ammo can
Also thinking about trying AAC
.45Coltguy
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Handload, if possible my friends.
nettlle
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Ammo, reloading components, beef, and gold and many others are market price these days.
Prices will rise in 2024. The war in Israel is one reason, but I think we are going to see mass chaos when the election comes. I think 2024 has potential to become unreal. The election is going to make the BLM riots and Jan 6 protest look like nothing.
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plainsdrifter
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That's the one I was looking at.I’d start accumulating more now.
Mine shoots this stuff pretty well:
20 Round Box - 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by Saltech | SGAmmo.com
20 round box of 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by SaltechBrass Case, Boxer primer, Non-corrosive, non-magnetic boat-tail projectile. Observed lots were 2018 Manufacture20 rounds per plain unmarked box, 28 boxes per M2A1 metal ammo canwww.sgammo.com
Also thinking about trying AAC
Mind reader. Lol
TRIGRTIME
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This should answer your questions... Heard and saw this on GOA. This is the letter they sent to all their "purchasers". Also, if you folks have not heard, last I heard, Vista may not be bought out by The Czechoslovakian billionaire... Apparently, there is now an American(s) looking to purchase it. GOD I HOPE SO!!! We dont need our all our ammo mfg's being owned by oversea's investors as well.
In recent years, prices have usually been adjusted early in the new year just as prices of other consumer good have risen. Panic has become a useful marketing tool, and just as with the stock market, perceived shortages or impending price increase helps move the goods. Each user must determine how best to proceed, but dire prophesies tend to become self-fulfilling.
Its hard to look at what is going on in the world right now, and particulary the US, and not see ammo price increases in 2024 as well as shortages.
Especially in our community since we're prone to panic buying. We're as skittish as a herd of prey animals and prone to "stampede". That's makes us very vulnerable to others (marketers and fear mongers) that want to drive us over a cliff.
The documented upcoming increase in powder/primer, the current increased international demand due to two small wars consuming vast quantities of ammunition and propellant, anxiously (or hopeful) anticipated domestic strife and the election year, the tendency for us to run off a cliff panic buying, could drive prices up a bit or a bunch depending upon how buyers like us react.
Buzznrose
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Hand loading is one answer, but not necessarily “the answer “…but I agree it’s a great tool to use.
Buzznrose
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Yes. This…or some method of this.
Unless you luck out and load up at the bottom of the price range, your best tactic is to pick a price point, a set number of rounds, or a dollar amount target and accumulate the ammo over time.
During the Obama era, I decided that $0.20 was my target price for 9MM. When it was higher, I bought less…but still bought some. When it fell to under that, I bought more…much more when the budget allowed.
If I were in your shoes, Id probably use $1.00 per round for decent blaster ammo as a starting point today. If it gets back to sub $0.60, start stacking it up.
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plainsdrifter
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Tried grabbing 1 unit last night and there was a hiccup. Wouldn't go through.I’d start accumulating more now.
Mine shoots this stuff pretty well:
20 Round Box - 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by Saltech | SGAmmo.com
20 round box of 7.62x51mm 150 Grain FMJ Swiss Military Ball Ammo Made in Switzerland by SaltechBrass Case, Boxer primer, Non-corrosive, non-magnetic boat-tail projectile. Observed lots were 2018 Manufacture20 rounds per plain unmarked box, 28 boxes per M2A1 metal ammo can
Also thinking about trying AAC
My credit is great.
These guys advertise free shipping oved 200 bucks but the catch is you have yo join a club for $99.
So I backed out.
bangswitch
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Don't wait for the prices to go down; they won't. Buy what you can, when you can. Reloading components will also increase in price, very dependent on demand and production, just like factory made ammo.
Primers will be especially hard hit, pretty soon a primer will cost as much as the entire loaded cartridge was only 6-7 years ago. Check out this article from Newsweek:
Primers will be especially hard hit, pretty soon a primer will cost as much as the entire loaded cartridge was only 6-7 years ago. Check out this article from Newsweek:
doubleh
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Inflation is still alive and kicking despite what the government tells us. That means the price of everything including ammo will continue to rise. The only time a product's price drops is when people quit buying said product and there is an over supply.
Zendude
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I wouldn't expect prices to go down in the near term. I decided that 0.06 ea for small pistol primers was likely as low as it's going to get and bought a case of Ginex from Graf's.
CapnMac
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As crystal balls go, mine appears to be of solid soapstone.
Now, it's the holidays. People are buying All The Things. They are saving (or have already spent) for Travel. They will be needing to buy food & beverages.
So, as a reasonable generalization, the available "pool" of discretionary spending will be decreased.
It's also, very generally, after rifle Hunting Season.
To my mind, that suggests that less ammo might be bought. Which will increase the supply. A supply the retailers will want to reduce before the end of their Tax Year on the 31st. Normally, that would suggest lowered "holiday" prices. The "gun world" seldom seems to want to operate 'normally,' to vex predictions.
Also, from Boxing Day to NYE, there wil lbe people who will be keen to go spend Gift Certificates, unused holiday funds, etc., which will increase buying, which could (only could) increase prices.
Generally Distributors and Wholesalers will roll out price increases to retailers taking effect after the beginning of the New Year. With the effects of inflation, that can be startling to the people who "took a month off" from buying ammo, and "suddenly" see it being 5, 8, maybe 11% 'more expensive.' So, they make "reflex" buys and tell all their friends, which creates a mini "run" on ammo, which depletes supply, furthering the run, and cranking costs up.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
YMMV.
I'm not even going to guess on whether retail auto fuel will be more, or less, expensive next week, let alone next year.
Now, it's the holidays. People are buying All The Things. They are saving (or have already spent) for Travel. They will be needing to buy food & beverages.
So, as a reasonable generalization, the available "pool" of discretionary spending will be decreased.
It's also, very generally, after rifle Hunting Season.
To my mind, that suggests that less ammo might be bought. Which will increase the supply. A supply the retailers will want to reduce before the end of their Tax Year on the 31st. Normally, that would suggest lowered "holiday" prices. The "gun world" seldom seems to want to operate 'normally,' to vex predictions.
Also, from Boxing Day to NYE, there wil lbe people who will be keen to go spend Gift Certificates, unused holiday funds, etc., which will increase buying, which could (only could) increase prices.
Generally Distributors and Wholesalers will roll out price increases to retailers taking effect after the beginning of the New Year. With the effects of inflation, that can be startling to the people who "took a month off" from buying ammo, and "suddenly" see it being 5, 8, maybe 11% 'more expensive.' So, they make "reflex" buys and tell all their friends, which creates a mini "run" on ammo, which depletes supply, furthering the run, and cranking costs up.
Maybe.
Perhaps.
YMMV.
I'm not even going to guess on whether retail auto fuel will be more, or less, expensive next week, let alone next year.
Necessary_Nutrient
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Ammo is tough because of the number of components required, but you never know and while ammo and reloading supplies have been hit hard, inflation is very cyclical in the gun business. Who thought we'd be sitting at 450 dollars for an AR-15 available in unlimited quantities? Accurate bolt action rifles in dozens of calibers for sub 500 dollars? Glocks were 500 dollars in 2002 when I bought my first one- pretty much the same as now.
My prediction, though: Reloading components and ammo will stabilize at roughly current prices for a few years, Large Rifle Primers will reappear. Ammo does have a floor and I think we're pretty close to it.
The only reason to predict strife is if we plan to bring it. Social order will not collapse unless we destroy it. Are we planning to do so?
My prediction, though: Reloading components and ammo will stabilize at roughly current prices for a few years, Large Rifle Primers will reappear. Ammo does have a floor and I think we're pretty close to it.
The only reason to predict strife is if we plan to bring it. Social order will not collapse unless we destroy it. Are we planning to do so?
Palladan44
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What happens to prices when a big corporation owns multiple brands (that were former competitors) Anybody?...
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CapnMac
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Dunno, as GMC, or Fiat, or Samsung.
Typically, products made a certain way have a base cost to make. Then, there are relatively-fixed costs for marketing and advertising. Along with costs associated with shipping and handling when acting as a wholesaler or distributor. Which only sets the base price to the retailer, who has the final "say" on what the shelf price is.
Which is subject to market demands in a fairly direct fashion. Set the price too high, and people either reduce or eliminate their buying. And there are costs to have ammo on the shelf collecting dust.
Which tracks back to the distributor and/or wholesaler. If they set their prices too high, the retailers will cut back their orders. And, there are costs with having product sitting on pallets in warehouses, too. That's taxable inventory piled up, whether at the wholesaler, distributor, or the retailer. Only way to pay those taxes is to sell the product.
Those economic forces are inexorable, but can be slow. Especially if you are desperately keen to get that box of .397minimum in JHPBTm-o-u-s-e today, and for less than a yak's ransom.
Old Dog
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Can you PM me the winning Powerball numbers for Wednesday's drawing?
While it'd be wonderful if things go this way, it hardly matters as inflation continues to outpace prices of consumer goods. When it comes to ammo, to paraphrase Nike: Just buy it.
All the unnecessary obsessing over the prices of consumer products affects only one aspect of our purchasing patterns: we are forced to prioritize purchases based on what we absolutely require to live on, what we can do without, and what we may buy if we end up with some extra, discretionary funds. My prediction is that our buying power for everything will continue to decrease even if our wages and salaries increase (for those still in the workforce; for those of us retirees, welcome to the suck).
Do you need more ammo, or do you simply settle for shooting less?
Honestly, I wonder if some here track the prices of eggs, milk, baby formula, our prescription medications or bacon the same way they do ammo. About the only thing that hits most of us hard every week is the price per gallon we pay to fuel our big trucks and SUVs.
While ammunition prices to tend to cycle a bit periodically, we'll never be back to where we were in the late '80s, early '90s.
I consider ammunition a necessity, so I buy enough regularly to maintain a good stockpile -- which I already have --in the calibers I shoot.
Anyone who "needs to stock up now" for any ammo for firearms they already own is already far behind the curve.
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What @Old Dog said...
I know everyone's financial situation is different, but if hunting, shooting, training, etc is important to you then one should buy continually throughout one's life. Don't go into debt doing so, that's stupid; but discretionary income (you know the income that's left after paying all the bills and resolving high interest debt, saving for kids college, retirement, etc) one should budget out of towards hobbies of importance.
And for those who plan on shooting into retirement on fixed income in which inflation will still erode purchasing power of retirement savings, the last time I checked inflation doesn't effect stockpiles of ammo...in other words figure out how much you want to shoot in retirement yourself, with family, grandkids, etc. and plan accordingly with ammo, reloading supplies, etc.
Myself while I'm still working won't shoot my inventory, I'll shoot what I can currently buy; and continue to add to the retirement account of ammo, supplies, etc. So I understand the BA/UU/R philosophy of staying proficient, but don't like the idea trying to accomplish that on a fixed income. One can keep trained with their SD firearm with very little ammo if one is deliberate with their training and pulling of the trigger. A box of 50 rounds twice a month at a minimum (1,200 rounds should be about $300 annually) and one can stay proficient with deliberate training schemes focusing on draw shoot, draw double tap, etc; and avoid the all to common "mag dump into trash" that is all to common. Nothing against that but don't complain about not having a stockpile of ammo when the already ventilated junk refrigerator now has more ventilation.
I know everyone's financial situation is different, but if hunting, shooting, training, etc is important to you then one should buy continually throughout one's life. Don't go into debt doing so, that's stupid; but discretionary income (you know the income that's left after paying all the bills and resolving high interest debt, saving for kids college, retirement, etc) one should budget out of towards hobbies of importance.
And for those who plan on shooting into retirement on fixed income in which inflation will still erode purchasing power of retirement savings, the last time I checked inflation doesn't effect stockpiles of ammo...in other words figure out how much you want to shoot in retirement yourself, with family, grandkids, etc. and plan accordingly with ammo, reloading supplies, etc.
Myself while I'm still working won't shoot my inventory, I'll shoot what I can currently buy; and continue to add to the retirement account of ammo, supplies, etc. So I understand the BA/UU/R philosophy of staying proficient, but don't like the idea trying to accomplish that on a fixed income. One can keep trained with their SD firearm with very little ammo if one is deliberate with their training and pulling of the trigger. A box of 50 rounds twice a month at a minimum (1,200 rounds should be about $300 annually) and one can stay proficient with deliberate training schemes focusing on draw shoot, draw double tap, etc; and avoid the all to common "mag dump into trash" that is all to common. Nothing against that but don't complain about not having a stockpile of ammo when the already ventilated junk refrigerator now has more ventilation.
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