SafeGuy, I stand corrected on the burglar shooting the safe. I must have missed that post. I was struck by never having thought about a round cooking off chambered in my .45 inside the safe, and that got my attention.
My apologies for missing that particular post. Deleted my erroneous post. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
No apology necessary, but thanks for the thought.
Look, I said it before, I'll say it again. This site was recommended to me by a previous customer, so I checked it out. It was never my intention to get into any sort of competition with A1 or anybody else, but I call things as I see them. As for me calling him out on everything he posts, that is hardly the case. I've agreed with many of the things he's posted, and I certainly think we both are well aware of the marketing gimmicks used by manufacturers to make their product appear superior to that of their competitors.
One only needs to take the time to read the info on my website about choosing the right safe which was written some 20 years ago. You will see that I am not a parrot for these manufacturers, and I take the time to take apart safes I take on as to know exactly what these guys are doing. I did that with the first Liberty safe ever sent to me as they wanted me to handle their products. Once I did that, it was easy to see why their product was a little less money than a "comparable" Fort Knox. With that, I passed on carrying their line. Their locking system looked like something that was made from spare parts and beer cans. Hopefully they've improved since then.
I vividly remember a conversation I had with Pro-Steel's national sales manager, who I had known for years, about his concern that I wasn't presenting their safes as superior to other brands I carry. He also didn't like the fact that I was telling people that any safe could be broken into, and that gun safes were not suitable for storage of paper and photographs. Needless to say, he wasn't happy with the answers I gave him, but they were truthful answers.
The Fort Knox folks got mad at me because I questioned how adding one layer of fireboard to their safe door could result in such a claimed increase in fire protection. I also asked why they wouldn't test their safes at Omega Point as AMSEC, Browning, and Liberty did at the time. To their credit, they were able to set my mind at ease on all points.
Bottom line is, I don't have to mislead customers in order to make a sale, and I don't have to push or pull people into a particular brand because it's all I have to offer. I carry more than one brand for that very reason. Cannon is the best bang for the buck (after AMSEC gave up that title 10 years ago), Champion is a step up and offers a wider range of safes than Cannon, and Fort Knox owns the high end market with thicker steel and higher fire ratings than the others though their entry level safes are sorely lacking in all areas including price.
Sorry for the long winded post, but I would suggest that we just stick with answering questions raised on this forum as opposed to making it personal. If I disagree with something that is said, that's just the way it's going to be unless I'm run off. That being said, it would seem to me that grown men can express their differences in opinion without getting childish.