Ann Coulter on the war in Iraq...

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From Townhall.com (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20031106.shtml):


'The Plan'

Ann Coulter

November 6, 2003


The Democrats' new method of opposing the war on terrorism while pretending not to oppose the war on terrorism is to keep demanding that Bush produce a "plan." Wesley Clark recently complained that Bush had put American troops in harm's way, "without a plan." Of course, Clark's "plan" would have been to create a quagmire, just like in Bosnia.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said the difference in how he would have prosecuted the war in Iraq is: "I would have planned." Yes, the invasion of Iraq was the usual unplanned, spur-of-the-minute thing that took 14 months.

Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., noted for the record that when he voted for war with Iraq, "I said at the time that it was critical for us to have a plan. ... This president has no plan of any kind that I can see." Maybe it's that Beatlemania mop-top that's blocking Edwards' view.

Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn. -- the one Democratic presidential candidate too conservative for Barbra Streisand -- said that President Bush gave the American people "a price tag, not a plan." He said that "we in Congress must demand a plan." You know, like that incredibly detailed plan the Democrats have in place to spend $400 billion buying prescription drugs for elderly millionaires.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., said: "The administration had a plan to fight the war, but it had no plan to win the peace." Kennedy's idea of "a plan" consists of choosing a designated driver before heading out for the evening.

Interviewing Vice President Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press" about a month ago, Tim Russert echoed the theme, asking: "What is our plan for Iraq? How long will the 140,000 American soldiers be there? How many international troops will join them? And how much is this going to cost?" When will we be there, Daddy? Can I go to the bathroom? Are we there yet?

The same questions were asked of FDR over and over again by the American people after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. "How much will this cost?" "My husband's a sailor -- how long will he be gone?" "What's your exit strategy, you warmonger?" Wait -- no. My mistake. That didn't happen.

The Democrats' incessant demand for a "plan" tends to suggest that there is something called "The Plan," which would magically prevent bad things from ever happening -- especially something as totally unexpected as violence in the Middle East. Violence in the Middle East constantly comes as a bolt out of the blue to liberals.

Bush said deposing Saddam Hussein and building a democracy in Iraq was an essential part of the war on terrorism. He did not say that invading Iraq would instantly end all Muslim violence and rainy days that make liberals blue. We're at war with Islamic lunatics. They enjoy blowing people up. What further insights do liberals have to impart about this war?

A war is not as predictable as, say, a George Clooney movie (although generally more entertaining). Historian Stephen Ambrose described Gen. Dwight Eisenhower's genius as a soldier, noting that "he often said that in preparing for battle, plans were essential, but that once the battle was joined, plans were useless." Transforming a blood-soaked police state dotted with mass graves and rape rooms into a self-governing republic might take slightly longer than this week's makeover on "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."

This is not the first time an evil tyrant was deposed only for bloody elements of his regime to remain. For example, it's been nearly five months since Howell Raines was removed as editor of The New York Times. No quagmire there! What is Bill Keller's "plan" to turn The New York Times around, and how long will it take?

The U.S. military has had considerably more success in turning Iraq around than liberals have had in turning the ghettos around with their 40-year "War on Poverty." So far, fewer troops have been killed by hostile fire since the end of major combat in Iraq than civilians were murdered in Washington, D.C., last year (239 deaths in Iraq compared to 262 murders in D.C.). How many years has it been since we declared the end of major U.S. combat operations against Marion Barry's regime? How long before we just give up and pull out of that hellish quagmire known as Washington, D.C.?

The Democrats' urgent need for an "exit strategy" apparently first arose sometime after 1993, when Bill Clinton sent all those U.S. soldiers to Bosnia -- who are still there. The Democrats' conception of a "plan" is like the liberal fantasy that there's a room somewhere full of unlimited amounts of "free" money that we could just give to teachers and hospitals and poor people and AIDS sufferers and the homeless if only the bad, greedy Republicans would give us the key to that wonderful room. Republicans should claim the "plan" is in that room. In a lockbox.

It's interesting that after we've finally gotten liberals to give up on seven decades of trying to plan an economy, now they want to plan a war. Extra-credit question for the class: Comparing a peacetime economy with a war, which do you think is more likely to shoot back at the planners and require subsequent readjustments? No, no, not the usual hands from the eager YAFers in the front row. Are there any liberals in the back rows who want to take a stab at answering this one? Paul Krugman?

Needless to say, the Democrats have no actual plan of their own, unless "surrender" counts as a plan. They just enjoy complaining about every bombing, every attack from Muslim terrorists, every mishap.

Back in the 1870s, Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman told a group of graduating cadets: "There are many of you here who think that war is all glory. Well, war is all hell." We didn't start it, but we're going to win it.
 
same old same old from Ann.

Yep, funny, insightful and- RIGHT.

Who does the left have? Al Franken.:neener:
 
I love that woman:)

The Bosnia comment is a great one.

If memory serves, Clinton vowed the troops would be there one year.

So I imagine the Dems would be happy if we had a "plan" even if it was totally unrealistic.
 
LOL! more like insipid, diversionary and trite Mr. 2dog :)



But whatever turns you on. Just be leery of man hands and adams apples ;)
 
Joesy

What exactly did she say that was not accurate??

If you want to talk diversionary....ask the Dems to stop asking for a plan and cough up their own plan......I have yet to hear any details about how they would do anything different.

I am still waiting for the mainstream media to point out that MOST of Iraq is fairly peaceful....with a few understandably hot spots

No...that would be too positive....
 
sorry, I'm not a democratic spokeperson here to defend them against the Coulters of the world.


If you are so detached from current events that you don't see through Coulter, there is little my pointing out her errors will do other than cause us to argue over semantics line by line and that's a waste of time. Her spinning starts in the first sentence and her dishonesty starts in the third sentence. It's up to you to discern whether you choose to fall for the rest of it.


Dishonest journalism that trys to divert for how incompetenly this administration approached this war and not questioning how many lives the failures of our leaders has cost our troops does a diservice to this country and is borderline treason in my book.

The worst part is, those "armchair generals" that the Bush admin and proxies like Coulters and the Hannity's went on the offensive against a year ago turned out to be dead on right on just about everything. Good thing the governmet discarded and discredited them, packed the Joint Chiefs with yes men and did it the politicians way instead.

Now we need to fund and staff the entire op ourselves as all our efforts have yielded virtually no foreign troops or treasure to help us out. Even Turkey took our $10b bribe and still balked at sending the troops. So, let's rotate in another 100k including 40k resverists for 1 yr rotations and try our best to cover up our mistakes and deflect attention since it's an election year, no matter how many more troops lives it costs. So much for personal responsibility.
 
Yeah, I'll support Jonsey. We should have waited. Figured out the perfect plan. Got the world community perfectly aligned. Lobbed a coupla cruise missles. Drafted a 10,000 page resolution for all the UN countries to sign. Crazy harebrained scheme to show our military might as a warning and containment strategy...focusing efforts of terrorist in Iraq rather than at home. It would be MUCH better to have no military casualties and have 10, 20, 100, 1000, 10,000 more civilians killed right here in the good ol' USA.















<sarcasm off>
 
"sorry, I'm not a democratic spokeperson here to defend them against the Coulters of the world"

That is kinda what I figured....throw stones and run!:rolleyes:
 
Just be leery of man hands and adams apples

Who, Ann? Hmmmmmmmmm, she does have that throaty voice but then so did Lauren Bacall. Nope, nope, don't think so. But maybe I'm just not as sensitive as I should be.:neener:

Just out of curiosity, and no offense meant, but are you a liberal?

Hope not. They seem to enjoy Nazi like smear tactics.:what:
 
like nobody's ever commented on, say, Rosie O's weight here? Come on, now...

I personally would never disparage nor try to violate the civil rights of the gravity challenged.


There are those, I fear, who would- CRETINS!:eek:
 
LOL! sorry if I sound condescending. I'm more than happy to debate issues.



nazi? liberal? imminent threat?running away? rancid bait.



2dog- you take the cake though, putting liberals and nazi like smear tactic together in defense of a ANN COULTER article is the ultimate absurditity hehehe :)
 
2dog



Jonesy9

That's 2dogs - as in multiple, as in deuce pooches.

Other than that- have a good day.:)

(Now where did I put my passive/aggressive meds?)
 
Hmm, I've seen a sudden slew of new members making peanut gallery comments lately.

I suppose the best response is to keep it "high road" and they'll eventually get bored and go away.

I've seen nothing approaching "Agricola quality" from any of them yet. :D
 
don't let the post count or my state fool you there Wisconsin Walkowiak. I learned a lot from TFL and am here for the gun info not to troll on politics. That being said, ann coulter circle jerks are always amusing. I'll reserve my disdain for entertainers like Ms. Coulter and her conservative-lite fans and save it for our real enemies.
 
While Ann Coutler certainly is no paragon of truth or virtue, one line from that column is absolutely correct: "Transforming a blood-soaked police state dotted with mass graves and rape rooms into a self-governing republic might take slightly longer than this week's makeover on 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.'"
 
I suppose we shouldn't mention Clinton's screw up in Ethiopia? Do you realize how many of us serving at that time were furious that he pulled us out of there? Clinton backed off, like a yellow b@stard coward, and absolutely humiliated our military.

I'm not a huge Bush fan, believe me, but I'll take him over Clinton as CinC any day of the week.
 
To keep this in perspective about this "quagmire" we have lost a couple of hundred troops in the process of taking over an entire nation in a matter of months, and pacifying something like 95% of it.

In most of our previous wars we lost a couple hundred troops in the first couple of minutes of an opening arty barrage.

The other day we had a Chinook shot down. In Vietnam we had over 200 Chinooks shot down.

We aren't hearing as much news from Afghanistan because the media doesn't have any soldier's blood to roll in. The word from my friends currently in A'stan is that is because the Afghanis are glad they are there, and any time a crazy fundamentalist crosses the border to try and kill some Americans the locals are quick to point them out, and we deal with them.

Iraq is a much more open country, with much greater urban areas, more borders to watch, and a much larger populace.

I don't recall Bush or Rumsfeld ever saying that the occupation was going to be quick or easy. Never. Not once. Ever.

Bush didn't say the war was over. He said major combat operations were over. For those of you not paying attention there aren't ten thousand armored vehicles storming across the desert, and several carrier battle groups dropping bombs around the clock. Looks like the ceasation of major operations to me.

What the hell do you people want? A bloodless end to this? Maybe have all of the crazy people in the world hold hands and sing kumbaya?

I've heard the Democrat candidates talk about a plan, but I have yet to hear what they would do different. Except pull out, I have heard that said a couple of times. Just what exactly that would accomplish I'm not sure.

"Oh but it would save American lives!" Yep, right now. But it would probably cost us a lot more when we have to go and do it all again in 10 years.

A peacefull, prosperous, and democratic Iraq would spell the end for the recruitment of crazy suicide terrorists.
 
one line from that column is absolutely correct

Thought for sure it was this one:

Needless to say, the Democrats have no actual plan of their own, unless "surrender" counts as a plan. They just enjoy complaining about every bombing, every attack from Muslim terrorists, every mishap.

Or this one:



Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said the difference in how he would have prosecuted the war in Iraq is: "I would have planned." Yes, the invasion of Iraq was the usual unplanned, spur-of-the-minute thing that took 14 months.

Or heck, basically the whole danged article. Like I said, funny and true.:D
 
Sorry to break it to you folks but...

In Ann Coulters articles she doesn't go into as much detail because of space limitations but there is nothing she writes that cannot be backed up with history, documentation, evidence or fact.

I've read Slander and Treason and one of the things that is immediately noticeable is the number of end notes she puts in her books showing her sources. I saw an interview with her about her books and the end notes were brought up. Ann Coulter said the reason she did this was because she knew every liberal in the mainstream would be questioning every word she said so she made sure that nothing was left to chance. She has even been cited on some of the things she's written, then presented the sources and information and no more was said. Also too, the reason she quotes people so often.

With all that said I will say that although quite amusing to read (and she's a total babe) I think she is a bit more vitriolic than she should be. If she stuck more to the facts of the matter and used a little less "name calling as a descriptive" she would be taken more seriously by her detractors. But then it wouldn't be Ann Coulter ;)

Demise,

"While Ann Coutler certainly is no paragon of truth or virtue..."

Your proof of this would be...? Just because you say so? Or because you have information to back up your assertion?

The "I don't like her so she's a liar." or "I don't agree with political party X so they're liars." defense is really getting old. I wish liberals and Democrats alike would use something tangible in a discussion or debate for once. There are many things on the opposite side that I don't like but if something is true then it's true and I don't deny it. e.g. GW got a DUI when he was 30. I don't like it, don't like that it happened and like that the Dems brought it up even less. But guess what? It's true. Most of what's being presented as of late is merley out of malice not base on any fact that can be corroborated.

Anyway back to Ann; she's intelligent, articulate, a babe and a Conservative. Need I say more? ;)

I am, however wondering when someone will wise up and when another Democrat starts complaining about a "plan" they get presented with a sheet that says:

Democratic "Plan for the War" Essay

I would have had a plan for the war and that plan would be:

In 5000 words or less please present a concise plan for the war on Terrorism being executed in Iraq; before, during and after and must be completed within 30 days.

All I've heard Dems saying is that Bush should have had a plan or that he hasn't presented a plan but they never offer anything of their own. I'm more than willing to look at one of their plans and if it's a good one I'm all for it...but they have to present one first. I won't hold my breath though in fear that I could passout and or die before one was ever to be presented. :)

Take care,

DRC
 
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