Annealeez Gen 2

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I decided to buy or build an annealer in the fall of 2018 to solve my issues with inconsistent neck tension in my reloads. There are very few available machines that work well, and dont cost an arm and a leg. Ended up settling on the Annealeez as the Gen 2 has been available for awhile now which irons out a few of the issues the Gen 1 had.

A few thoughts.

Wait time was 4 weeks to the day. Not bad at all considering the level of demand. Jeff (owner) was honest with me on approximate shipping timeframe and he was right on.

Quality is good. Rivet construction. Motor and mounts are solid. Electronics are glued in place and all connections are soldered in place. Torch is a good quality Bernzomatic unit. I did deburr the sharper edges due to the laser cutting of the material used. Because Murphys Law states that I will cut myself if I dont.

Wheels did get warm during the 500 piece test run I did. But not to the point of melting. Wheels are a heat resistant nylon from what I can tell.

Time to anneal a full hopper of 223 at the speed I determined was correct was about 26 minutes. Time to anneal 100 pieces was about 11 minutes.

I did elect to use a 20# LP tank instead of a camp bottle as I can refill the 20# for $16 and the throw away bottles are $13 each. I purchased a Weber 6501 hose locally for $35, but if you plan ahead you can get one for $10 or less from Amazon.
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I also added a voltmeter and on/off for ease of use. Here is the wiring you need to do.
Speed Controller:
Black to motor - (negative)
Red to power + (positive)
White to motor + (positive)
On/Off:
Remove the red wire from the board, crimp on a spade terminal, and plug into switch. Add a wire with a spade terminal plugged into switch, and wire to power + (positive) on the board.
I cut the voltmeter in with my Dremel and a cut off wheel, and the switch was just a 1/2" hole drilled in. I elected to put them in the top to keep them off the front, and make it easy to get it done. MAKE SURE YOU BLOW OUT ANY DUST FROM CUTTING OR DRILLING BEFORE YOU TURN THE MACHINE ON OR IT WILL GO "OLD SPARKY" ON YOU!! Seriously, dont be dumb and wreck your annealer.
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Im not going to go too far down the rabbit hole on the actual annealing process, but I used a combination of 750 degree Tempilaq and my Mark One Eyeball. I ran a few pieces of brass with the lights off, adjusting the speed until the brass just started to glow as it drops out of the flame. Then I Tempilaq the inside and out of the case neck, let it dry, then ran it into the flame watching for it to change from a solid to a liquid. From there I made a couple of adjustments and called it good. Pretty simple process.
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In the past week I have run over 10k pieces of 223 brass thru this machine with no issues.

Cost is $275. Could I have built something very similar for about $100 or so? Yes, but not nearly as polished as this. Overall, Im extremely happy with it. I did add the voltmeter and the on off as this is something that was cut out to decrease the cost as much as possible. Jeff said that they will likely be adding these into the next gen of their annealer, but it will probably increase the cost slightly.
 
I ran a few pieces of brass with the lights off, adjusting the speed until the brass just started to glow as it drops out of the flame.

I don’t use any form of “glow” as an indicator. I learned fairly quickly that if you are using propane as the fuel for the flame, the flame changes color from blue to orange if you are keeping the case in the flame too long.

Like this.

http://vid121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer.mp4

Speed the machine up a bit or turn the flame(s) down and you get a perfectly annealed neck, with no “glow”.

http://vid121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer/nottoohot.mp4

This is worth a look.

http://www.6mmbr.com/annealing.html

Brass will begin to glow a faint orange at about 950 degrees (F). Even if the heating is stopped at a couple of hundred degrees below this temperature, the damage has been done...
 
I don’t use any form of “glow” as an indicator. I learned fairly quickly that if you are using propane as the fuel for the flame, the flame changes color from blue to orange if you are keeping the case in the flame too long.

Like this.

http://vid121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer.mp4

Speed the machine up a bit or turn the flame(s) down and you get a perfectly annealed neck, with no “glow”.

http://vid121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/annealer/nottoohot.mp4

This is worth a look.

http://www.6mmbr.com/annealing.html

Thats why I use Tempilaq for final tuning as I was worried I was burning my brass too. I found that I was just getting a faint glow and the orange flame at a voltage of 5.8, but Tempilaq for final adjustment showed a final voltage of 6. Unfortunately, propane isnt a perfect heat source (especially in the garage in Wisconsin in cold weather :)) and Im considering adding a regulator into the mix to get a more consistent burn temp at the torch. I do get that consistent ring where the heat wicks down to, and the color from that ring up is consistent in color just like the video you posted.

I know a guy that has purchased a Little Annie induction annealer, and that thing works flawless, but would require a little work to get it fully automated. And you are talking $500+ for the base unit. He has worked on a few ideas to get it automated with his 1050's case feeder with some simple limit switches and a solenoid using the DB9 connector, but its not quite ready yet. But it will anneal a 223 case every 1.3 seconds at 100% duty cycle, so the potential does exist.
 
I know a guy that has purchased a Little Annie induction annealer, and that thing works flawless, but would require a little work to get it fully automated. And you are talking $500+ for the base unit. He has worked on a few ideas to get it automated with his 1050's case feeder with some simple limit switches and a solenoid using the DB9 connector, but its not quite ready yet. But it will anneal a 223 case every 1.3 seconds at 100% duty cycle, so the potential does exist.

Press the button and perfectly annealed cases cascading into your collection tray quicker than you can stuff them in the top, the thought of the automated induction annealer is certainly beguiling. However, I guess the truth is much like the eternal beam scale/digital scale argument, tried and tested and will last for a hundred years or cutting edge, perceived improvement and in the scrap bin within ten years. High energy, fast repetitive cycle time and reliability don't, at present, seem to sit well together.

I'm not saying it can't be done, I have seen some brilliant induction machines and with a little more work could include a case feeding system but is there really much advantage? If all your cases are exactly the same, no mixed headstamps, same number of firings etc. then working out the timing for an induction annealer might work, but with a cycle time of just 1.3 seconds a tenth of a second either way might make a significant difference.

With an auto stacking propane system the cycle time might be 4-8 seconds but a fraction either way is not quite so critical and can be adjusted "on the hoof" by eye once you have a bit of experience, not something you could do with much control with an induction annealer I would think.

I'm sure the AMP annealer is an excellent machine but certainly no speed advantage over a basic auto propane system at a fraction of the cost.

I think this is a rather neat induction annealer, made in Poland I think.


and one of my own design.
 
It doesn’t have to be slow, check out 1:28 of this video.



Or the beginng of this one.



The reason I build my machines the way I do is so they don’t require any extra parts to go from .17 Hornet to 50 BMG, just adjust the height of the torch and speed of index.
 
What's the difference between Gen 1 and Gen 2?

Adjustable gate for brass on the lower roller. The 1st gen works fine, but would have an occasional jam as the case dropped to the lower roller. I think they made the hopper bigger too. I think mine holds 250 pieces or so of 223. Not sure on 308, havent run any yet.
 
Adjustable gate for brass on the lower roller. The 1st gen works fine, but would have an occasional jam as the case dropped to the lower roller. I think they made the hopper bigger too. I think mine holds 250 pieces or so of 223. Not sure on 308, havent run any yet.

I've not had those problems on mine.

I upgraded the holder for the torch head with an adjustable arm a guy was selling. I'll post some pics when I get home. Some of you Annealeez owners might find it worthwhile. I did
 
I promised to post a pic of the upgrade I did to my Annnealeez.

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Bought it from a guy on the Accurate Shooter’s forum. I’m hunting for his contact info if anyone wants one
 
I like the turnbuckle method that this guy shows. Should cost about $4 at home depot.


I was also checking the prices from the OP and that hose for the large propane tank is now on Amazon for under $7 but the disposable 14.1 oz. Propane bottles are only $3.50 at Home Depot too.
 
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I like the turnbuckle method that this guy shows. Should cost about $4 at home depot.


I was also checking the prices from the OP and that hose for the large propane tank is now on Amazon for under $7 but the disposable 14.1 oz. Propane bottles are only $3.50 at Home Depot too.


Yup, $14 for 4 of the camp sized bottles locally. Even still, the 20# bottle for $16 refill is a better deal. I dislike just throwing stuff away.
 
I use the small torch size bottles and find that the flame varies a bit if doing several hundred cases.
I have read that the 20lb or larger bottles will provide a more even pressure and therefore flame.
I will look for an adapter as I have a couple of the 20lb bottles for a grill and see how it works.
I do like the Annealeez.
 
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