Another armed incursion on U.S.-Mexico border

[wingman]

And cordex, you should know better than to interject fundamental business or economic reasoning into a discussion like this. Those American union workers are worth so much more. Just look at our super profitable and efficient unionized US auto industry.

Please also consider the CEO who is pulling down millions per year plus stock,is he worth it, does it add to the cost of a car. Many companies who make good profits without unions have decided to ship jobs to other countries why, because they want more profit with total disregard to this country or it's people.

Eco. 101 has nothing to do with the hiring of illegals it is simply greed, money is pocketed by the employer not passed on to the consumer. Adding to this is the taxpayer is subsidizing cheap labor for the employer and receiving an inferior product in many cases.

When we talk of profit, unions, illegal labor, we should also consider where our country is going, what type of life do we want, do we want a high standard of living, medical, pensions, good schools, certain amount of freedom. Can we do this with the continued loss of manufacturing jobs. In my opinion no, I also have concern with the idea in our society that any profit is good no matter who it harms.

 

[Kodiaz]

I say let's have a big 2A shooting event on the border in the gun friendly states.

I think that will provide all the overwhelming firepower needed.

 

[garyk/nm]

Aren't National Guard units ostensibly under the control of State governors? Couldn't a concerned governor mobilize his Guard units if he/she so desired?
Doesn't seem like the Feds are really necessary.
Oh, that's right, the Feds are claiming a lock on all matters of National Security.
Enforced by threat of cutting off funding. Can't have that, now, can we?

What I don't understand, is why NM and AZ govs bothered declaring a state of emergency, when they won't actually do anything?

 

[TexasRifleman]

I say let's have a big 2A shooting event on the border in the gun friendly states.

I think that will provide all the overwhelming firepower needed.

It might raise some eyebrows huh? Move Knob Creek to Laredo, TX?

Interesting idea.....

 

[GoRon]

We need a guest worker program.

If we seal the borders the economy will be effected and prices will go up, way up.

We have outlawed capitalism and demanded a minimum wage be paid which is higher than some jobs are worth. Either that or you will be paying 15 dollars for a salad. If you can even find enough workers to do the work.

If you think it is the government or some corporations responsibility to provide you with a job at a "living" wage you are part of the problem not the solution.

We need the mexican migrant workers and we better come up with a program to let them in.

I am 100% in favor of the NG being on the border to deal with the bad guys. We need an orderly way to let the good guys in.

 

[TexasRifleman]

We need the mexican migrant workers and we better come up with a program to let them in.

Very true. It's not "worker" aliens that are digging tunnels and carrying bags of dope and machine guns.

 

[Biker]

We don't "need" a guest worker program, we already have all the indigenous labor we could possibly use, and if I have to pay 5 bucks a for head for lettuce, I will.
Biker

 

[GoRon]

We don't "need" a guest worker program, we already have all the indigenous labor we could possibly use

We have the lowest unemployment in the G8 and probably the whole industrial world. Todays numbers are the lowest in over 5 years.

This is with the huge glut of undocumented workers we already have. Get rid of them and its not boom town but bust town. Depression and inflation.

 

[Biker]

We have the lowest unemployment in the G8 and probably the whole industrial world. Todays numbers are the lowest in over 5 years.

This is with the huge glut of undocumented workers we already have. Get rid of them and its not boom town but bust town. Depression and inflation.

Get rid of them and the profits of big Corp and big Ag may go down because they may be forced to pay a decent wage to Americans. I can live with that.
Biker

 

[rick_reno]

Don't worry - our President has a plan and it'll be implemented by his Republican Congress in a month or two. Then we can stop discussing this "issue".

 

[GoRon]

Get rid of them and the profits of big Corp and big Ag may go down because they may be forced to pay a decent wage to Americans. I can live with that.

Great idea!

You should run for office on your five year plan for worker fairness and profit realignment.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

We have the lowest unemployment in the G8 and probably the whole industrial world. Todays numbers are the lowest in over 5 years.

We have low unemployment on paper because so many people have been unemployed for so long that they are no longer collecting, no longer looking for work, and have simply disappeared from the radar.

Like me. I an now nominally a "consultant." That means if I find a gig I take it for whatever it pays, then I hope for another one before the money runs out. Usually the money runs out before the next gig arrives. But I am not officially "unemployed" ... I just don't have any income.

We don't need any more guest workers.

 

[Biker]

Great idea!

You should run for office on your five year plan for worker fairness and profit realignment.

Your pat phrases, cliches and insinuations aside, my idea *is* a great one.

Biker

 

[Kodiaz]

By shooting event I don't just mean competition. I mean all of it. IPSC guys, the machine gun guys, the cannon people, skeet shooters, bullseye shooters,long range varmint guys, and on and on and on. I'm talking about ALL of us. When I say overwhelming I mean overwhelming. Hell we might scare the mexican army all the way to the bottom of Argentina.


Oh and +1 to Biker.

 

[tom barthel]

Armed intrusion on our border

Perhaps it's time for citizens to do something. Photographs have been shown of the latest intrusion. For an untrained group to take on professionaly trained troops is suicide. Still, a few prisoners with captured equipment would be hard to deny. Of course, any action should not be taken by property owners. Recently, a ranch was given as compensation for detaining a couple of illegals in Arizona. The courts are NOT to be trusted. If you only own a 1949 buick roadmaster and one pair of shoes, the courts would probably seize everything to award to the invaders. If you plan on defending your country, you could be in serious legal trouble if you survive the fight. Still, live Mexican soldiers would attract a lot of attention. If you catch them, take them to the nearest television station.

 

[GoRon]

Armed invaders into US territory should be dispatched without prejudice by the worlds finest fighting force.

 

[Biker]

Armed invaders into US territory should be dispatched without prejudice by the worlds finest fighting force.

Not to worry; There is no doubt in my mind that Jorge Bush has a comprehensive plan that will make this entire problem go away.
Biker

 

[Kodiaz]

Biker it might be more appropiate if you refer to him as King Jorge. Actually king jorge might even be better.

 

[GoRon]

Not to worry; There is no doubt in my mind that Jorge Bush has a comprehensive plan that will make this entire problem go away.
Biker

It is amazing with the grassroots support for border control niether party will touch it with a ten foot pole.

The libertarians are even worse than the major parties.

The border is probably the one issue where there is the biggest disconnect between the average American and government policy.

 

[Sindawe]

The border is probably the one issue where there is the biggest disconnect between the average American and government policy.

As my friends and I used to remark back in the late '80s, its all a Communist plot.

Kodiaz: How about "Bush the lesser"?

 

[Kodiaz]

Bush the lesser doesn't take into account all of the "Unitary executive" (king to me) machinations.


Besides after king jorge's run. I wouldn't want to sully his father's name any more by attributing it to this son.


Man you know your bad when you make Bush 1 and Slick Willie look like great leaders.

Oh well. Let me get the nomex suit I'm going to get it.

 

[Desertdog]

Aren't National Guard units ostensibly under the control of State governors? Couldn't a concerned governor mobilize his Guard units if he/she so desired?

The NG, AF, Marines and Army need training. There should be a training area of about 3 to 10 miles deep and 2000 miles long situated along the America-Mexico border. This should incude scrafing practice, artillery practie, tank trainig, the whole bit.

 

[TexasRifleman]

The NG, AF, Marines and Army need training. There should be a training area of about 3 to 10 miles deep and 2000 miles long situated along the America-Mexico border. This should incude scrafing practice, artillery practie, tank trainig, the whole bit.

Well then Mexico would protest to the UN that we were planning to invade, then the UN would vote to sanction us, then French and German troops would be sent to the border as Peacekeepers and we could just let the Mexican Army shoot at them.

Doesn't sound half bad.....

 

[DRZinn]

In the words of someone more prescient than I:

"Let's get it on and get it over with."

Rather than confront them at the border, just back off. Let them come deeper and deeper while they think no-one notices or has the guts to do anything. Then squash them.

And make sure the world sees it.

 

[Waitone]

The moonbat left is screaming impeachment. I've talked with representatives as much as one can talk with them. They insist on charges being brought based on Halliburton or WMD or some other phantom scandal. Problem is, right in their face is an impeachable offense and they want nothing to do with it. Why? Because illegal aliens are viewed as the road back to power for the moonbat party.

Me? I don't care what the parties say. I think it is time for impeachment charges be drafted centered around Bush's criminal refusal to do anything about the border. My position used to be impeach him if we get a terror hit from across the southern border. I changed my criterion to now. I think there exists sufficient cause.

What makes me sad is I am not given to wild statements.