I guess I should have prefaced it by the word “cheap”.
You are correct the are 100% better versions than the originals out there.
Another Glock clone is out, which one is the best?
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I guess I should have prefaced it by the word “cheap”.
You are correct the are 100% better versions than the originals out there.
Jim Watson
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What Glock mutant is the nuke delivery guard force getting?
Are you shopping fancier or cheaper?
Are you shopping fancier or cheaper?
Speedo66
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The OEM Glock has lots of aftermarket support, plus factory parts are readily available, and there's a factory warranty.
How long will these clones stay in business or keep making parts? Glock is here to stay.
AIM is selling police trade in Glocks for as low as $329, why buy an unknown quality when that's available?
How long will these clones stay in business or keep making parts? Glock is here to stay.
AIM is selling police trade in Glocks for as low as $329, why buy an unknown quality when that's available?
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I can see the potential for a clone to be better than the real thing. It could have upgraded sights, grip angle, texture, barrel, etc. The problem of course is that at least 2/3rds of the reason most people opt for Glock in the first place is probably “legendary bulletproof tough as nails reliability.” And by definition the clone might not have that… so at that point it opens the door to every other polystriker -eg. S&W, HK, Steyr, FN, etc etc.
Nothing is bulletproof though. Give me 30 seconds and a needle file and I can induce a failure on any firearm. People can snub their noses at clones or innexpensive versions all they want but if the owner takes care of their equipment thats the most important thing. I have lots of Glock style pistols and they run as well as anything else. Heck.. all my Sigmas are basically enhanced glocks and they just keep on running despite internet bashing and brand fanatics. The design is sound and the manufacturing process is cheap compared to more traditional designs. This makes Glock inspired designs/clones a worthwhile approach which is why everyone is making their version of the Glock. There isnt anything magical about them. Great firearms but so are a lot of others.... including the clones and copies. Daggers are a steal because it has magazine compatability as well as parts. What parts are proprietary to the dagger are innexpensive to get spares direct from PSAs website. Glocks have always been overpriced for what they are so its not as much of an issue with something like a dagger being "cheap" per say as much as it is a Glock being inflated price wise.
Plus I like supporting domestic American manufacturers because... well... Im an American and take pride in it. Also if America ever loses smaller domestic up and comer firearm manufacturing there will be no new firearms available to the populace.... PERIOD. Gotta play the long game on this type of stuff.
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I happen to be looking for a cheap glock 40. prefer 22, but will take a 23. Do you have a source, I have not seen any around.
amd6547
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https://www.recoilgunworks.com/pd-trade-glock-22-gen4-40-s-w-w-ns/
I bought a G22 from them just before the plandemic… They were advertised as “very good” condition. Mine turned out to look about new, and the night sights still glow today. My favored home defense pistol, now.
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Thank you, and its even a Gen4.
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People who are not edgy most likely, and still prefer .40 S&W.
No doubt
I agree Daggers feel really nice. Those FMK Glock frames are nice as well. So much out there for Glocks these days it seems kind of foolish to limit things to OEM. It would be like saying.. COLT 1911 OEM and thats it! No wilson combat... no EGW... only Colt factory. Almost Nobody does that.
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As kidneyboy just mentioned, the main issue for me in the oem-clone debate is fit and shootability--I have original and clones (P80 and LWD) in the four major glock sizes (sc, c, f, and g21), and all the P80 clones (with 1911 grip angles) fit my hand much better and point very naturally (much like my 1911s), and for those reasons, I shoot them much better. I would stay with OEM Glock if I did not hate picking it up and gripping it.
Speedo66
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Here 's a Gen 4 G22 for $329.95 https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-glock-22-gen-4-40sw-handgun
I don't have experience with other Glock clones but I like my Dagger. I did have an issue with the magazine catch being overly stiff when new but that seems to have taken care of itself.
That is a good price. Glocks are good guns.
The Glock 22 or 23 with a conversion barrel or 2 is a very versatile thing.
I think it is wonderful the variety of choices we have today. The only problem is I don't have enough money to buy & sample one of everything.
That is a good price. Glocks are good guns.
The Glock 22 or 23 with a conversion barrel or 2 is a very versatile thing.
I think it is wonderful the variety of choices we have today. The only problem is I don't have enough money to buy & sample one of everything.
One of my favorite 80% frames is the Strike 80 (G19) frame. The ergonomics of the frame makes it more pleasurable to shoot in 40 S&W compared to the Polymer 80 940C or OEM Glock frames.
And the Lone Wolf Timberwolf and Freedom Wolf frames are nice too. They are slightly smaller in the grip than a Gen 5 G19 frame. The LWD frames are in-between a G19 and G48 as far as the grip goes.
I have not checked out the Dagger frames or complete pistols yet. I also have not messed with the 80% Arms GST-9 frames either. I will say that I prefer the Polymer 80 frames, Strike 80 and LWD frames one the Gen 3-4 Glock frames.
I also have an OEM G44 and a LWD Freedom Wolf frame with a G44 slide. The Freedom Wolf frame definitely points better.
The problems that I have had with Glock clones is not with the frames but with the clone parts themselves. I have seen too much tolerance issues with aftermarket parts and/or poor quality control. That is why no matter what frame I use, it gets OEM Glock parts. The same goes for all of the aftermarket slides I have, they also have OEM Glock parts installed.
And the Lone Wolf Timberwolf and Freedom Wolf frames are nice too. They are slightly smaller in the grip than a Gen 5 G19 frame. The LWD frames are in-between a G19 and G48 as far as the grip goes.
I have not checked out the Dagger frames or complete pistols yet. I also have not messed with the 80% Arms GST-9 frames either. I will say that I prefer the Polymer 80 frames, Strike 80 and LWD frames one the Gen 3-4 Glock frames.
I also have an OEM G44 and a LWD Freedom Wolf frame with a G44 slide. The Freedom Wolf frame definitely points better.
The problems that I have had with Glock clones is not with the frames but with the clone parts themselves. I have seen too much tolerance issues with aftermarket parts and/or poor quality control. That is why no matter what frame I use, it gets OEM Glock parts. The same goes for all of the aftermarket slides I have, they also have OEM Glock parts installed.
Hangingrock
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I have Gen-3 Glocks. With that said I do not have clones of Glocks
Good post. Are the clone parts undersized or oversized?
It is one way or the other. While the aftermarket parts are within allowed tolerances, they will either be at the minimum or maximum of those tolerances.
I was very active on The Marine Gun Builder forum before it shut down. And 9 times out of 10 when someone had an issue with a build it was due to tolerance stacking between the different aftermarket parts. The more parts from different manufacturers you add, the worse the tolerance stacking gets. And the normal fix is to get rid of the aftermarket parts and use OEM Glock parts.
Blkhrt13
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The logical answer is always to try and find a way to shoot before you buy. If I had the inclination I would look around for a friend or range that had one. I have plenty of pistols. I don’t need another. But if I did I would try one. I learned to shoot on a colt 22,1911 and a 686. The Glock grip angle requires I adjust my sight picture when I point the gun. This leads to a juggling action when I’m shooting faster than slow shots. This was a Glock 22 with a factory 3.5 lb trigger kit installed by a Glock armorer. I prefer the 92 or CZ clone heck even my kahrs. The only attractive thing about a Glock to me is it’s dependable and the mags are cheap. One day if I have the money I want a dagger just because. But I don’t need it.
One thing I just thought of, before you buy a Glock or any sidearm for that matter it's best if you can at minimum handle it. Eons ago I'd heard all about these wonder Glocks and decided I wanted one, went to a LGS and checked a few out that they had on display. I quickly discovered that I hated the ergonomics, felt like I was holding a 2x4 with a barrel attached to it. Even earlier this year I handled some of the newer Glocks (newer for me) and had the same experience. Needless to say I don't own any Glocks just so called Glock clones with wonderfully ergonomic grips.
I still have a couple of Glocks, but I like my Shadow Systems MR920 better than my G19. Shadow took the most common complaints people have with Glocks and fixed them. Much better optic mount system, grip angle that can be changed, etc. Best of all - they're actively involved with their customers.
Not too familiar with the Dagger, or P80 but I'd still buy a Glock over them.
Not too familiar with the Dagger, or P80 but I'd still buy a Glock over them.
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So true. I have handled Glocks and they were ok. My buddy has a Dagger, and it is much nicer to handle.
New full size dagger frame looks even better for ergos....
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa...-carry-cut-non-threaded-barrel-black-dlc.html
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