Another gun buying painc in progress?

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Well I have decided I want a Beretta Px4 Storm subcompact and went looking for one today. No one has one in stock and all the distributors are out. All the stores are saying the same thing; they can't keep inventory in stock. New gun buying panic in progress I guess.

Hillary is now the top gun salesman in the country now! :cuss:

Edit: Well look at this from Bud's Gun Shop:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/21_52/sort/7a/page/2

Page after page of OUT OF STOCK
 
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Online AR parts seem to be a little tight in stock but almost everything can be found. Haven't noticed anything low in stock in gun store though. They seem to be stocked to the gills.


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I am not seeing shortages in my neck. I think people may be moving on purchases a little earlier than they originally planned, but I wouldn't call it a panic.
 
Well I would say something is happening. Check out the statistics from last month - June, 2016.

FBI Background Checks for Gun Purchases Surge
Rosalie Chan 2:45 PM ET

The FBI conducted more than 2.1 million background checks for gun purchases in June, an increase of 40 percent from 2015.

In June 2015, the FBI conducted about 1.5 million background checks, which is done every time someone tries to buy a gun from a federally licensed dealer. In total, the FBI conducted over 23 million background checks last year.

According to the FBI, 2016 is on track to break last year’s record for background checks. In the first half of this year, the FBI has already conducted almost 14 million background checks, CNN Money reported.

The number of background checks does not equate the number of guns sold, as some buyers fail background checks, and some background checks involve a single purchase of multiple guns. In addition, there are no FBI background checks for gun sales between private individuals where no federally licensed dealer is involved.
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Read the whole article at:

http://time.com/4393715/fbi-gun-background-checks-increase/

Any way you cut it that's a lot of hardware. :evil: ;)
 
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It actually has exactly zero to do with panic buying.

You are looking for a very specific model from a specific manufacturer. Depending on the timing of a production run you may find that there are very specific times when a very specific model is in very short supply. But it usually only lasts until the next production run.

If you widen it out to Beretta's in general, well then Academy Sports (just as an example) has a sale that started today and the local store has bags full of them in all shapes and sizes. If you widen your search to small frame 9mm or .380's then there are dozens of different models from dozens of manufacturers in strong supply throughout the sales chain.

As others have mentioned there is a wide variety of small frame personal protection pistols available these days and they are all selling very well since more states now allow concealed carry.
 
In 2012, demand went up something like 50X the average for a full three months, backlogging everything indefinitely

The market responded by increasing production some large fraction of that, especially where AR stuff was concerned. Think about how many AR15 makers there were pre-2012 vs. now. Easily hundreds of new companies, of various sizes (Palmetto alone is a much larger player than they were)

Now that the market is much larger, and now that the backlog has been worked off and then some (hence the $400 AR15s out there now, vs. closer to $1000 back in 2010 when I got into guns), there is far more capacity to absorb demand shocks like we are seeing now.

Demand is still at a record high for firearms, likely still elevated for AR stuff, and has definitely spiked several times above what it would be were it not for the elections/terror attacks/two NYC liberals jockeying for president/senate Republicans toying with gun control. However, we have so many more guns out there to be sold, so many more people making new ones, so many more selling them, that demand can peak 10X without instantly emptying all inventories, which in turn keeps that momentary flash-panic from turning into a spiraling black hole of doom like the '13 Banic.

The same cannot be said for the ATF NFA branch, however, which just received some six months of application forms --easily-- in the span of a week (and was receiving record submissions for months prior). Probably back up to well over a year in backlog for Form 4s and even Form 1s at this point.

TCB
 
More buying frenzy to come as HRC gets coronated queen. Watch all UBC get shatter with abandon starting November of 2016.


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I just came on here to post a thread about this.

Bud's has been running short on ARs for a month now. The cheap ones are seldom available, and on the high end all but one of their Daniel Defense rifles are sold out too. AKs seem to be mostly sold out, but I don't know if that's a demand issue or a supply issue due to import restrictions.

Ammo seems to be selling pretty well too. SG Ammo says that shipments are being delayed a day or two due to "very high demand".

There are some pretty dark clouds on the political horizon, IMO. Clinton has been leading in the polls from day one, and I really dislike Trump's chances as a general-election candidate. There's a vacancy on the Supreme Court that would be filled by a liberal justice if Clinton is elected, and I would expect Ginsburg to retire very soon after a Democrat victory so that Hilary could appoint another SCOTUS judge. That would put a liberal majority on the bench for a very long time.

Yet for some reason, there's just no mood of panic amongst shooters. I don't get it. Normally gun owners react drastically when there's bad political news. But the general mood in person and on the internet seems to still be "Hey guys, check out my new suppressed SBR'd 40 watt plasma rifle!" rather than "What diameter of PVC pipe do I need for my long guns?" It seems like the demand is there, and everyone knows it's an election year, but no one is talking about it and no one seems overly worried either.
 
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Is there a different Buds I'm not aware of? Because the one I know has had some flavor of <$600 AR available continuously for the last couple of months. I have been intentionally checking so I can say this with a good degree of certainty.

It's almost like people are wishing for another panic...
 
A lot of people got burned on their $1500 Sandy Hook AR's when the market plummeted back to $500. They're probably skittish to play that game again.

I pretty much have everything I want gun wise and am fully stocked on reloading supplies for 9mm, 40 S&W, and 223. Its a good feeling, going into this election.
 
Is there a different Buds I'm not aware of? Because the one I know has had some flavor of <$600 AR available continuously for the last couple of months. I have been intentionally checking so I can say this with a good degree of certainty.

It's almost like people are wishing for another panic...
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I don't think it's ever been entirely cut off. There's always one or two models of budget AR available, but most of them sell out pretty quickly once they get back in stock.

Bud's tactical rifle page doesn't include every AR, but it has a good chunk of them (I think it's everything with a forward assist?)

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_1989/Rifles/Tactical+Rifles/page/1/sort/6a

You could get a pretty cheap DPMS right now if you wanted one, but it's the only one in stock for under $600. There's only three other options listed for less than $700.

I'm not hoping for a panic, I'm just trying to load up now for the one I expect to happen.
 
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Anecdotal, but I was at the Sheriff's office today to put a new handgun on my permit. (All handguns are registered in NY State.) It's usually a 10 to 15-minute procedure in my county, but today it took an hour and a half.

I got a sinking feeling when I walked in the building and saw the line. For most of the time they only had one clerk behind the counter, but after about an hour they sent her one helper -- probably to get everybody processed before closing time. I was listening to the transactions -- no expectation of privacy there -- and it was running about half-and-half of people getting guns added to their permits and people applying for permits.

I wouldn't call it a panic yet, but we're still more than three months out from the elections.
 
On page one of Bud's handguns, everything indicates availability.

Mosin Bubba:
One factor in some AK WASR 10 shortages is that Romania reportedly has stopped exports to the US, due to contracts in other countries. So say staff in two of our gun stores, who claim that no more can be ordered from suppliers.

Elkins45: If people are Wishing for a panic, it is because many of them want to clear out the huge Glut of available ARs, in order to help sell ARs which they built, but somehow are no longer wanted.
 
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I could function quite well if I never buy another gun. I would be sad, but I could function.

I have 16 pounds of Promo. That's enough to load 22,400 rounds of 9mm or 45acp at 5 grains per round. If I could find a jug of 2400 I would probably be set for the next 10 years. I think I could stay in reasonable practice shooting 2240 rounds/year, plus the 3500 cast bullet rifle loads the jug of 2400 would give me.

I'm not preparing for war.
 
Tell me about the AR's and PX4's you can't find, I'll have them shipped to your local FFL...my distributors have plenty in stock, as for price point AR's, sub $600 AR's are readily available...and fro $700 you can have a Colt AR...
Edited...just noticed you were looking for the Sub....I apologize, they only have compact, and full size.
 
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There are three models of <$600 AR listed on Buds home page at this very moment, one of which is a S&W.

DPMS: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...5.56NATO+16"

S&W: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...II+5.56mm+30rd

Alex Pro (whoever that is): https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...16+Optic+Ready
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The S&W Sport available is for LEO only. The ones we can buy are sold out.

I guess that Alex Pro counts as a sub $600 AR, but it's kind of concerning that some builder called Alex Pro is on Bud's front page.

Maybe distributors are holding some stock back in preparation for the likely increase in demand this fall, but supply as a whole seems a lot shorter than I thought.

It's great that you're set for a decade on guns and ammo - that's where we'd all like to be. I'm not there yet, so I'm ordering about as much ammo as my monthly budget will allow.
 
Mail today should be bringing 200 Nosler 60 grain partitions for .223 - I've slowly but surely built up a healthy reserve for reloading.

If and when things look crazy again, I'll likely top off with another bulk purchase of Wolf Gold .223 and steel 7.62, but that'll be about it.

I do hope and anticipate that I'll buy guns in the future, but I'm happy where I'm at if we end up in another 2008 scenario.


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The big demand last time was for AR's. Is there anybody at this point who wants wants one and doesn't have one? They've been selling for peanuts for almost a year now, the market is probably saturated.

Question is, what is driving the pistol sales? I don't think it's as much politics, we've seen this coming for a while, as civil turmoil here and overseas, plus worldwide terrorism. Maybe people are frightened and find it reassuring to possess a gun with all these events happening everywhere, like hugging a teddy bear and hoping for the best. I personally find it a false sense of security.
 
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The big demand last time was for AR's. Is there anybody at this point who wants wants one and doesn't have one? They've been selling for peanuts for almost a year now, the market is probably saturated.

Question is, what is driving the pistol sales? I don't think it's as much politics, we've seen this coming for a while, as civil turmoil here and overseas, plus worldwide terrorism. Maybe people are frightened and find it reassuring to possess a gun with all these events happening everywhere, like hugging a teddy bear and hoping for the best. I personally find it a false sense of security.
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Yes. And there always will be.

Politics does drive pistol sales. I know plenty of people that buy and and all firearms they think they want, including pistols, because politicians do go after pistols (though to be fair, a lot of them in in Cali where most pistols seem to have already been banned from sale, new, to anybody other than LE...) and because they have the experience to know that when people panic, they buy semi automatic removable magazine fed anything...including pistols.

I remember going to the LGS at the height of the last panic and they had no major caliber semi auto pistols in the store.
 
There are 27 models of AR variant in stock at Buds (counting just their tactical rifles page) that sell for <$1000. That's not including the California compliant models. There are also six different batches of police trade-in handguns with multiple mags at <$400.

If it's a panic it sure has left a lot of options.

I keep waiting for that guy from that other thread to drop in here and tell me how delusional I am, as if what I am seeing on Buds website isn't something I'm inventing.
 
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