Another Horrible Tragedy

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Dorryn

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And this happened in my own backyard, practically! I had no idea, or I would have, I dont know, protested or something. It makes me weep when I read what they paid for functioning weapons... $42,000/800 = $52.50.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/89950.html

Getting guns off the street
800 firearms recovered as residents take advantage of buyback program
By Lauren Mariacher NEWS STAFF REPORTER
Updated: 06/03/07 6:35 AM


When Wayne Brown of Buffalo walked into the True Bethel Baptist Church lobby to turn in a gun about 11 a.m. Saturday, he figured the elderly women standing in line were waiting for church services.

He soon realized they had hundreds of dollars worth of armed weaponry in their hands. Brown was impressed.

By the end of the day, so were city officials who organized the “No Questions Asked” Gun Buyback Program, which recovered more than 800 guns and paid out $42,490 in the form of cash cards to 422 residents — many of them surrendering more than one firearm.

And while Buffalo Niagara residents were described by Buffalo Mayor Byron W. Brown as the big winners because fewer illegal guns are now in the hands of criminals, at least one individual also won big.

The unidentified man surrendered nine guns and was paid $960, making him the biggest buyback participant.

“I can tell you that tonight residents can sleep safer,” the mayor said. “We had a private goal of 250 guns and that would have been a success, but 800 guns is a tremendous success.”

Defending the program, Police Commissioner H. McCarthy Gipson acknowledged no criminals were arrested, but that they now have less firepower.

He estimated that of the 800- plus guns, about 100 were inoperable, while most of the rest were high-quality weapons, including 9 mm handguns, sawed-off shotguns, AK-47s, SKS rifles and others that are the frequent choice of street criminals.

Critics have said the city’s buyback programs have resulted in obtaining old and rusted weapons unlikely to be used in crimes.

“. . . Tell me there is not a benefit to getting this large cadre of weapons off the streets,” said Gipson, pointing to boxes and boxes of handguns beside a wall where hundreds of long guns were propped in the garage at Buffalo Police Headquarters.

Brown said some of the weapons were returned loaded.

One grandmother, Brown said, showed up with a loaded gun that had belonged to her late husband.

“She said her grandchildren play at the house and she didn’t know what to do with it. That was a tragedy waiting to happen. She didn’t know what to do,” said Brown, adding that the woman expressed her thanks to the city.

Another grandmother, he said, showed up with a gun she found in her grandson’s bedroom.

“She found a very lethal weapon in the grandson’s room and wanted to get rid of it,” Brown said.

Though there were people of all ages surrendering guns, it was the older crowd, women in particular, that gained notice.

The mayor speculated they were acting “on behalf of loved ones who didn’t want to show up in person.”

Folks standing in line to turn in guns were willing to speak about their decisions to participate, but wanted to remain anonymous.

“This is a piece from my father. I just didn’t want it to be stolen and turned into an illegal weapon,” said one older woman, who declined to identify herself.

A man who said he stood in line at one of the seven buyback locations for more than an hour later called The Buffalo News and questioned the wisdom of having residents stand for long periods in Saturday’s hot sun holding dangerous weapons.

“The scariest thing there was that everyone had ammunition,” the man said, explaining he had gone to St. Thomas Aquinas Catholic Church in South Buffalo, one of the three busiest buyback sites.

The other two were True Bethel on East Ferry Street and the Church of the Good Shepherd on the first block of Jewett Parkway.

When the city held its first gun buyback in 1993, it lasted six days and more than 2,000 guns were purchased. The mayor said this time it was decided to heavily promote a one-day event.

“We didn’t want to overtax police personnel,” Brown said.

Police officers who work the streets and know firsthand what types of weapons criminals like to use also commended Saturday’s effort.

“This ranks real good compared to other buybacks. There’s a lot of good weapons, high quality, taken off the street,” said Officer Martin Forero.

City officials said the guns will be turned over to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms later this week for ballistics tests and computer checks on serial numbers to determine how many were used in crimes and stolen.

The mayor also pointed out Saturday that Buffalo’s homicide and violent crime rates are down from this time last year.

“Homicides are down 33 percent, violent crime is down 26 percent and the homicide solvability rate is at 88 percent,” Brown said.

Funds for Saturday’s buyback were provided, in part, with $30,000 in assets forfeited through seizures from drug probes and other crimes. Erie County Medical Center also has donated $10,000, and an additional donation was anonymously made, Brown said.

JPMorgan Chase & Co. agreed to provide cash cards without charging the city a customary fee.
 
“This is a piece from my father. I just didn’t want it to be stolen and turned into an illegal weapon,” said one older woman,

How does that happen?

Now this did absolutely no good whatsoever. Ok, so now there are that many old people that don't have any kind of protection at all now. We can guarantee, nearly, that all of those guns turned in were legitimate purchases at some point and have been just sitting around the house. Now the force there got 800 guns. Anyone want to take a wild guess as to how long it will take them to do ballistic tests on all those, then run that against the info in their systems? Maybe they will get 2 or 3 hits. Ridiculous.
 
Many, many of the firearms surrendered in our buyback in '97 ended up in the hands of the wrong people- they would have been better left with the original owners.
Just to repeat that- the guns surrendered to THE POLICE ended up in the hands of the grubs!
 
Gee Mister Mayor you just single handedly created 422 new victims. Hitler gave a similar speech when private gun ownership was outlawed in the 1930s. The sad part is that they will never get it.
 
What would prevent a licensed gun dealer from setting up shop on the same block and buying some choice pieces for double the money?
Free Enterprise Hey!
 
Gbro has a good point. While most of these guns were junk, some were valuable. I'm sure that most of those "grandma's" and other elderly folks live in low-income neighborhoods, and are not exactly rolling in money. These buy-back promoters in the media never point out that some people may have got $50.00 for something they could have turned in to a gun dealer for several hundred dollars - with an equal assurance they wouldn't have ended up in the wrong hands later.

Oh, and the relationship between the grandson and grandma who turned in his handgun - likely without his knowledge - may get to be a bit cool...
 
When Wayne Brown of Buffalo walked into the True Bethel Baptist Church lobby to turn in a gun about 11 a.m. Saturday, he figured the elderly women standing in line were waiting for church services.

One grandmother, Brown said, showed up with a loaded gun that had belonged to her late husband.

Though there were people of all ages surrendering guns, it was the older crowd, women in particular, that gained notice.

“This is a piece from my father. I just didn’t want it to be stolen and turned into an illegal weapon,” said one older woman, who declined to identify herself.

And while Buffalo Niagara residents were described by Buffalo Mayor Byron W. Brown as the big winners because fewer illegal guns are now in the hands of criminals,...
“I can tell you that tonight residents can sleep safer,” the mayor said.

...“. . . Tell me there is not a benefit to getting this large cadre of weapons off the streets,” said Gipson

Buffalo is now safer from armed grandmothers!!! :banghead:
...Folks standing in line to turn in guns were willing to speak about their decisions to participate, but wanted to remain anonymous.
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JPMorgan Chase & Co. agreed to provide cash cards without charging the city a customary fee
Use an ATM card anonymously? I think not!

Does anyone else see the absurdity of trying to buy weapons from criminals at church services? Is that where the gan bangers hang out now?:banghead:
 
Another grandmother, he said, showed up with a gun she found in her grandson’s bedroom.

“She found a very lethal weapon in the grandson’s room and wanted to get rid of it,” Brown said.
Thats one grandmother that would never be allowed back into my home. I have family members that are no longer allowed in my home for stealing 20 dollar items. Taking something of mine worth several hundred? Not happening.

Nice to know the police have no problem taking guns they outright know to be stolen.
 
Critics have said the city’s buyback programs have resulted in obtaining old and rusted weapons

I keep wondering how many of those "old" guns might have been antiques, and possibly valuable. And of course, the perception that a gun in the hands of the elderly is a gun waiting to be stolen... so they might as well be defenseless. Outrageous.
 
If that grandson is of legal age, and no record, I would like to see him filea report...
Getting rid of your father's heirloom? Disgusting. Find another family member that would cherish the memeories, and pass it down. My son will get his grandfather's revolver when it is time.
 
Lashlarue, don't you know that if Hitler did it and some one else does it, then you bring it to everyones attention that you are a bonified tin hatter and there is no connection between the two?;):neener::evil:



Don't blame me, I just figuered I'd tell ya first.!

P.s. I see many similarities in the our society and the germany society of the late twenties and earlie thirties, but everyone knows I am tin hatter.
 
I like this part best:

''AK-47s, SKS rifles and others that are the frequent choice of street criminals.'' Because we all know how frequently they are used in street crime...
 
In a sense, most of the people (assuming they owned the guns) that would turn in a gun in such an asinine program (especially a loaded gun), have no business possessing a gun in the first place. Could actually be a benefit to the honest people of Buffalo. :D
(BTW, the article dosent say how old the grandson that had a gun was, or if the grandmother was the guardian of said male---makes a difference!):rolleyes:
 
Hey, since this works so well with guns, why don't we start a "Drug Buyback" program where all the crackheads and dealers voluntarily turn in all their dope...? :rolleyes:

Or even better, offer the illegal aliens $100 each to turn themselves in for deportation. ;)
 
When Wayne Brown of Buffalo walked into the True Bethel Baptist Church lobby to turn in a gun about 11 a.m. Saturday, he figured the elderly women standing in line were waiting for church services.
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And while Buffalo Niagara residents were described by Buffalo Mayor Byron W. Brown as the big winners because fewer illegal guns are now in the hands of criminals, at least one individual also won big.
because ripping off old ladies, who they call "criminals" makes the world a safer place, and probably blowing hundreds of thousands of taxpayers dollars to ballistically fingerprint and trace allegedly "annonymous" weapons is crap. I have a better Idea, if these people are so determined to throw away family heirlooms because they are either afraid, or have no idea how to use them, then maybe we could start an "adopt a gun" program. There are many law abiding citizens that either cannot afford a defensive arm, or gun education and shooter safety courses like Eddy Eagle that could put them to good use as range weapons. Not only would it more likely accomplish the goal of "keeping guns out of the wrong hands", but it might even put some in the right hands.
 
What are the legal issues surrounding a gun buyback that is not run by the government? Would this be a practical way to get cheap firearms out of the hands of people who don't care for them and into those of firearms enthusiasts?
 
In a sense, most of the people (assuming they owned the guns) that would turn in a gun in such an asinine program (especially a loaded gun), have no business possessing a gun in the first place.

Yeah - but did ya catch this part:

The mayor speculated they were acting “on behalf of loved ones who didn’t want to show up in person.”

I take that to mean that maybe some of them didn't want to show up because the guns were turned in WITHOUT their knowledge.

The fact that someone can be so stupid as to think that having NON-criminals disarm makes people safer....:banghead:
 
Hey, since this works so well with guns, why don't we start a "Drug Buyback" program where all the crackheads and dealers voluntarily turn in all their dope...?

Or even better, offer the illegal aliens $100 each to turn themselves in for deportation.

ROTFLMFHO!!!! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

My personal moment of cognitive dissonance in the article came with this statement:

hundreds of dollars worth of armed weaponry

I was originally musing as to what exactly "unarmed weaponry" might be, :banghead: when I realized he was saying that these ditzes were walking around with loaded weapons...It is something of a miracle that none of those folks managed to shoot each other or the cops or the church at the "buyback", because you KNOW they didn't have a clue about safeties, or the four laws, or even the simple dictum to keep your finger off the trigger.

I'm always sorry to see people give in to this kind of chicanery, though. Thanks for posting the article.

Springmom
 
Nice to know the police have no problem taking guns they outright know to be stolen.
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You know, I was thinking tha same thing myself while I was reading the article.
The Mayor keeps talking about how the guns are out of the hands of criminals (grandma?)
But if grandma took the gun w/o permission (assuming the grandson was of legal age, non-felon, etc), then maybe he's right after all. :what:
 
I rad an article

About another of these gun buy backs. One of the cops told a reporter that they get to take the best stuff home and the rest is destroyed. Now, How the heck can I get in on that.
 
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