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elrod,

Post links with a space directly before before and directly after the link, if you want them to be 'clickable.' The list software will handle the rest for you.

http://montgomeryadvertiser.com

Also it saves your readers trouble if you post the direct link to a specific story that you're referring to where possible, rather than to the whole newspaper, magazine, blog etc. I think this is the story you meant:

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http://montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/NEWS/708120323/1001

August 12, 2007
Teens arrested in slaying

By Marty Roney

WETUMPKA -- Three Prattville High School students and a Montgomery teenager face murder charges in the Saturday morning shooting death of a Wetumpka man.

Elmore County Sheriff Bill Franklin said the shooting occurred after an argument over which school had the better football team, Prattville High School or Wetumpka High School.

The victim was Ramonda Mitchell, 35, of 114 Crenshaw Drive. Franklin said the shooting occurred about 4:30 a.m. in the Crenshaw community, just west of Wetumpka.

Charged in Mitchell's death are James Gray, 19, of Montgomery, and Justin Edwards, Greg Hall and Eric Hardison, all 18 and all residents of Prattville. They remain in the Elmore County Jail under bonds of $500,000 each.

"What in the world are these children these days thinking about?" said Wanda Freeman, who lives in Crenshaw. "Why would you shoot somebody over something as silly as a football team? I just don't understand it. Nobody around here does."

Larry Butler, superintendent of Autauga County Schools, confirmed that Edwards, Hall and Hardison are seniors at Prattville High School. Head football coach Bill Clark said none of the teens were players on the football team or athletes.

However, Edwards was listed on the 2006 football roster on the school Web site. The roster was removed from the site late Saturday.

Clark said Edwards played for the ninth-grade football team three years ago for a "very short" period of time. He was kicked off the team and never played varsity. Clark would not say why the boy was kicked off the team.

The Prattville Lions are the 2006 Class 6A state champions. The team recently was voted No. 1 in Class 6A in preseason polls.

Investigators believe the trouble started Friday night during a back-to-school party at the National Guard Armory in Wetumpka. Detectives were interviewing more teens Saturday. It is unclear if Mitchell was the intended target.

"A group from Prattville got into an argument with a group from Wetumpka about who had the better football team," Franklin said. "The Prattville group left and told people they were going home to get their guns and come back and shoot people."

Several guns were used and several shots were fired, the sheriff said. Mitchell was shot once in his upper torso.

The four suspects were arrested by Millbrook police on Alabama 14 as the teens attempted to make their way back to Prattville.

Investigators asked for high bonds in an effort to keep a lid on emotions, Franklin said.

"I have spoken with the parents of these young men and told them their sons need to stay in jail for a while," he said. "That's for their own protection. I don't want anybody from Wetumpka thinking they can ride over to Prattville Saturday or Sunday night and settle the score."

The incident "horrified" Butler when he heard about it. The schools superintendent declined to comment specifically about the situation, saying he hasn't been informed of the details.

"Our job is to protect our kids," he said. "You never want anything to happen to your kids, and you never want your kids to get into any trouble."

Prattville and Wetumpka are rivals and play one another during the regular season. The game this year is scheduled for Sept. 21, in Wetumpka.

"That's where arguments need to be settled, on the field," said Willie Kelly of Prattville. "Who's the best, that's not even worth getting into a fistfight over. It's surely not something you kill somebody over."
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http://montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/NEWS/708120323/1001

Teens arrested in slaying

By Marty Roney




WETUMPKA -- Three Prattville High School students and a Montgomery teenager face murder charges in the Saturday morning shooting death of a Wetumpka man.

Elmore County Sheriff Bill Franklin said the shooting occurred after an argument over which school had the better football team, Prattville High School or Wetumpka High School.

The victim was Ramonda Mitchell, 35, of 114 Crenshaw Drive. Franklin said the shooting occurred about 4:30 a.m. in the Crenshaw community, just west of Wetumpka.

Charged in Mitchell's death are James Gray, 19, of Montgomery, and Justin Edwards, Greg Hall and Eric Hardison, all 18 and all residents of Prattville. They remain in the Elmore County Jail under bonds of $500,000 each.

"What in the world are these children these days thinking about?" said Wanda Freeman, who lives in Crenshaw. "Why would you shoot somebody over something as silly as a football team? I just don't understand it. Nobody around here does."

Larry Butler, superintendent of Autauga County Schools, confirmed that Edwards, Hall and Hardison are seniors at Prattville High School. Head football coach Bill Clark said none of the teens were players on the football team or athletes.

However, Edwards was listed on the 2006 football roster on the school Web site. The roster was removed from the site late Saturday.

Clark said Edwards played for the ninth-grade football team three years ago for a "very short" period of time. He was kicked off the team and never played varsity. Clark would not say why the boy was kicked off the team.

The Prattville Lions are the 2006 Class 6A state champions. The team recently was voted No. 1 in Class 6A in preseason polls.

Investigators believe the trouble started Friday night during a back-to-school party at the National Guard Armory in Wetumpka. Detectives were interviewing more teens Saturday. It is unclear if Mitchell was the intended target.

"A group from Prattville got into an argument with a group from Wetumpka about who had the better football team," Franklin said. "The Prattville group left and told people they were going home to get their guns and come back and shoot people."

Several guns were used and several shots were fired, the sheriff said. Mitchell was shot once in his upper torso.

The four suspects were arrested by Millbrook police on Alabama 14 as the teens attempted to make their way back to Prattville.

Investigators asked for high bonds in an effort to keep a lid on emotions, Franklin said.

"I have spoken with the parents of these young men and told them their sons need to stay in jail for a while," he said. "That's for their own protection. I don't want anybody from Wetumpka thinking they can ride over to Prattville Saturday or Sunday night and settle the score."

The incident "horrified" Butler when he heard about it. The schools superintendent declined to comment specifically about the situation, saying he hasn't been informed of the details.

"Our job is to protect our kids," he said. "You never want anything to happen to your kids, and you never want your kids to get into any trouble."

Prattville and Wetumpka are rivals and play one another during the regular season. The game this year is scheduled for Sept. 21, in Wetumpka.

"That's where arguments need to be settled, on the field," said Willie Kelly of Prattville. "Who's the best, that's not even worth getting into a fistfight over. It's surely not something you kill somebody over."
 
...and as to the prevention question, I think John Farnam said it quite well. Bolding is mine...

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http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2003/19Mar03.html

19 Mar 03

Layers of response:

Years ago, Jeff Cooper delineated the "Color Code" and the "Principles of Personal Defense" in an effort to provide us with a logical model for one's thinking on the subject of mental preparedness. I'd like now to go to the next step and apply the same logic to the issue of personal appearance and demeanor, as we all agree that, in the domestic defensive environment, avoiding a fight is preferable to winning one.

Layer One: Nonattendance. The best way to handle any potentially injurious encounter is: Don't be there. Arrange to be somewhere else. Don't go to stupid places. Don't associate with stupid people. Don't do stupid things. This is the advice I give to all students of defensive firearms. Winning a gunfight, or any other potentially injurious encounter, is financially and emotionally burdensome. The aftermath will become your full-time job for weeks or months afterward, and you will quickly grow weary of writing checks to lawyer(s). It is, of course, better than being dead or suffering a permanently disfiguring or disabling injury, but the "penalty" for successfully fighting for your life is still formidable.

Crowds of any kind, particularly those with an agenda, such as political rallies, demonstrations, picket lines, etc are good examples of "stupid places." Any crowd with a high collective energy level harbors potential catastrophe. To a lesser degree, bank buildings, hospital emergency rooms, airports, government buildings, and bars (particularly crowded ones) fall into the same category. All should be avoided. When they can't be avoided, we should make it a practice to spend only the minimum time necessary there and then quickly get out.

"A superior gunman is best defined as one who uses his superior judgment in order to keep himself out of situations that would require the use of his superior skills."

Layer Two: Functional invisibility. We all need to practice to art of "being invisible." It is in our best interest to go our way unnoticed, both by potential predators and by the criminal justice system alike.

Whenever I travel, particularly to foreign countries, I endeavor to be the one that no one notices; no one recalls; no one remembers. I silently slip through the radar, leaving no trace, a nameless, faceless tourist. When in any public place, I try to be clean and well groomed, but I never wear bright colors, any kind of jewelry, or anything shiny. I smile a lot, but talk softly and as little as possible. As we say in the law enforcement business, "Courteous to everyone. Friendly to no one."

Loud talking, bright colors, Rolex watches, etc will consistently accumulate unwanted attention. On the other end of the spectrum, tattoos, poor grooming, loud and offensive language, a slovenly appearance, etc will also garner unwelcome notice.

Layer Three: Deselection. Any successful predator has the ability to quickly screen potential victims, focusing in on the ones who look as if they will make good victims and rejecting those who either (1) look too strong for expedient victimization or (2) don't conveniently fall into any particular category.

When invisibility fails, we need endeavor to be consistently deselected for victimization. We do this by making it a habit to appear alert, uninviting, self-confident, and strong. At the same time, we never loiter or appear indecisive. We are always in motion.

"Weakness perceived is weakness exploited!"

Layer Four: Disengagement: Our best interests are not served by any kind of engagement with potential predators. Successful disengagement involves posturing, bearing, verbalizations, and movement. It is in our best interest to disengage at the lowest reasonable force level, but we must simultaneously be prepared to instantly respond to unlawful force with superior force.

Potential predators, as they attempt verbal engagement, should be politely dismissed. Bearing and eye contact should always project strength and confidence. We should continuously be moving off the "line of force." We should be observant in every direction, giving potential predator duos and trios the distinct impression that they will not be able to sneak up on us.

When predators are confused, they are unable to focus sufficiently to carry off their victimization. Therefore, never let a potential predator seize the agenda. Don't answer his questions, and don't stay in any one place very long.

Disengagement, separation, and exit are our immediate goals when we have been selected or are being seriously evaluated by predators. However, if there is to be a fight, the best one is a short one. If a predator menaces me with a gun or a knife, I know that, before it is all over, there is a good chance that I will be shot or cut. However, within that prison of circumstance, I also know that the faster I can end the fight, the less hurt I'm going to get! If there must be a fight, I must explode into action, moving smoothly and quickly, in an effort to confuse and overwhelm my opponent before he has a chance to process all the information I'm throwing at him.

Ultimately, we must "have a plan." Potentially dangerous encounters must be thought about in advance. Decisions must be made. Skills must be practiced. Confusion, hesitation, and vacillation will always attract the attention of predators and simultaneously stimulate predator behavior.
 
I have a question. What were high school students doing out at 430 am.? Where were their parents?
 
Bozo said:
I have a question. What were high school students doing out at 430 am.? Where were their parents?

While they did happen to be high school students, they were all legal adults - meaning that they are responsible for their own actions. Legally, their parents can't prevent them from doing anything (well, unless they threaten to kick them out).
 
Thanks for helping a newbie linking up, guys.
Wetumpka, Alabama is a town of about 12-15000 people 15 mi. north of Montgomery. It is not inner city, nor is there gang violence. This is Bible belt country, or what was Bible belt country. I suppose my reaction was the same as other posters, what were they doing out at 4am, and what were they doing with guns? At the same time, I know the answers because I know the culture. I know within reason the Montgomery newspaper will call for new gun restrictions (It is, after all, A Gannett publication). Never mind the unenforced existing laws.:banghead:
 
While at the age of 18 or 19 these people are NOT children, the attitudes that they have toward other people were developed while they were children.

The youth of today have very little respect for the rights of others within society; they have been taught from a very young age that the most important thing in life is for their own self esteem to be artificially inflated. They are not taught personal responsibility, or respect for other people and the opinions of others; they are not held responsible for meeting objective criteria for success - everything is relative, and the basis of that relative scale is what makes them feel good.

Parents no longer instill a sense of right and wrong; moral values are no longer an important element of a child's upbringing, and most never enter any place of worship. When people do not know God, and the standards established for acceptable behavior according to God are not made an essential part of the education of the child, we raise a generation of stone cold killers.

God has been replaced in the lives of many young people by the TV and the video game, where they are taught that success is based on how many enemies you kill, and how many beautiful women/men you can have sex with.

Personal gratification is the root of this evil. Until we start training the youth to be selfless instead of full of themselves, we will continue to see this type of behavior increasing by leaps and bounds.

We have created a lost generation, because we have failed to perform our responsibilities as parents and grandparents.
 
One of many - well put. That is exactly why I work with young people at my church, to try and show a better way than the one you so eloquently described.
 
"A group from Prattville got into an argument with a group from Wetumpka about who had the better football team," Franklin said. "The Prattville group left and told people they were going home to get their guns and come back and shoot people."
When the response to an "issue" such as this is to drive home, get guns, and shoot people -- civilization has reached the bitter end.

Many of you won't agree with me, but I blame television, movies, and rap "music." These collective media have brainwashed an entire generation into the mindset that "killin' " is the only way to resolve any disagreement, regardless of how trivial. After all, man, you gots ta have respect. If you don't got no respect, man, you gots nuttin'. If the dude don't show you respect, you gots ta kill him. It's da way it gotta be, man.
 
We're not going to have an argument over religion here. I'm basically an atheist, Correia is a Mormon and Oleg talks funny, and we all manage to get along reasonably well. We expect everyone here to do the same, and the easiest way is to agree to disagree about religion and leave it at that.

You know, in the book "Currahee!" (the memoir of a WWII paratrooper) the author describes a knife fight between two young men in his training class. The two, best friends, were out drinking with the rest on leave and got into a friendly dispute over who would pay for the drinks; each man claimed the privilege of buying the round. It escalated until one challenged the other to a "cutting duel." They each drew knives in their right hands, clasped left hands, and put their left feet together. Most bar patrons cleared out; Burgett says the troopers stayed because they were "fascinated at the prospect of a fight."
Shades of Michael Vick.
One of the troopers dropped a handkerchief between the two, and the duel started when it hit the ground. Both men were stabbed and cut numerous times in a few seconds, and both were dragged out by MP's, bloody and unconscious.

Those boys had never seen a television. They never saw realistic sex or graphic violence in a movie at the theater. They never played a videogame; they wouldn't have known what one was. They were part of the "Greatest Generation" widely acknowledged as the very bestest this nation has ever produced.
And they did their best to murder each other over nothing.

If you're still not convinced, then for those who still think today is more violent than the past, I recommend the book By The Sword by Cohen.

Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote about teenaged schoolboys who threatened to close the school by beating the teacher. John Brown, the famous abolitionist who was sure God wanted him to end slavery by violent revolution, beat his stepmother within an inch of her life with a barrel stave one night as she lay sleeping in bed. Again, these kids were not the products of video games, MTV, or reality shows with Paris Hilton.
 
Gee, Don,

you mean that humans are, like, the most dangerous monkeys on the planet, who will kill each other for any reason, or no reason?

What a surprise! (not)

Oh, yeah, the young male sort are the worst. Also not a surprise.

I, myself, am very proud of my coolheadedness and prudence in not having murdered any number of neighbors for their bad taste in loudly played music.
 
Logic and proportions, as Lewis Carroll would say.
Don, I agree with you that there have always been wackos who behave irrationally and violently. You can go back to Cain and Abel and march through the anecdotes. There is a question of proportions, though. Are there more wackos now or then? It seemed like the crime rates were going down, down, down for some time but now it seems like they are going back up again. Recent DOJ numbers seem to bear that out.
As a teacher for the last 15 years I can tell you that from my own experience that it seems like the proportion of sociopathic kids has been on the definite rise in the last 5 years or so. I've always had a few bad nuggets but last year was the first I had several busted for violent crimes and I teach at a "good" school. My fear is that we have a bubble of amoral kids hitting that 15-26 year of age of hormonal stupidity.
 
Crowds of any kind, particularly those with an agenda, such as political rallies, demonstrations, picket lines, etc are good examples of "stupid places."

As an aside, I have been to many pro-RKBA political rallies. The attendees were very well-behaved. Gee, I wonder why...
 
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