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I was looking for a specific gun store near me when I stumbled on a range in Sioux Falls. Out of curiosity I read a bit about the store/range and found this;
"WE WILL NO LONGER ALLOW ALUMINUM CASED AMMUNITION ON OUR RANGE AS OF 11/01/2020". New one on me. But for $20.00 per hour range fees I prolly wouldn't shoot there anyway. I've never heard of aluminum cases being unsafe so are they not wanting aluminum to "contaminate" their range brass?
 
Makes sense to me about the contamination. Steel is easy to sort out with a good magnet but AL not so much without handling it all so to speak. I use a magnet on my scrap brass before I take it to the recyclers to catch the brass plated steel before they do.
 
Sounds like a Stuffy range. Sioux Fall, don’t you have alot of “just pull over and shoot” land?
 
The place where I go doesn’t allow steel but aluminum is fine. They also don’t allow reloads unless they know you. Too many kabooms for their insurance underwriters. Related issues so I hear. Evidently some folks were using steel case reloads and didn’t understand the relationship between metal fatigue and pressure. Bad things happened and the blame fell on the materials not the process. Or maybe both. All I know is, I don’t shoot steel, never did, and they don’t mind my reloads. A couple of the youngsters have shot my 9mm Zombie Green and get a kick out of them.
 
Sounds a lot like your not allowed to keep your own brass either but that was not stated. I would never pay 20 an hour either as I pay 20 a month.
 
I won't join a shooting club if I don't have to for the very same reason you stated in the OP.
I won't join a shooting club for a myriad of other reasons as well.
Guess I'm lucky enough to live where as long as you use common sense and make yourself aware of your surroundings
you can shoot whatever you got that goes BOOM! Potato gun to tank!
But you can't (shouldn't) shoot at stuff that goes KAAABOOOOM!!!
 
Indoor ranges are funny animals that I try to avoid. I did shoot regularly at one a several years ago. Only reason I went, was because a couple of friends relatively new to shooting talked me into their "pistol league." This was during the last stupid, and ammo was rather difficult. The range had some for sale at vastly inflated prices, and any flavor you wanted so long as it was 9mm/115gr loaded by some remanufacturer that loaded it so light it wouldn't cycle a well worn Sig P226 police trade in. For the first week, they stuck to their "no outside ammo" policy. They literally required you purchase any ammo used at the range. After being informed that their primary business of renting shooting lanes would do zero revenue going forward, they relaxed this policy slightly, allowing outside ammo but factory only. I just packed all my handloads in newish factory boxes, sacrificing my brass, and they never knew the difference. Picking up range brass, even your own, was absolutely forbidden, but you could buy brass for a very cheap $10 per 100 for 9mm:what:. Aluminum, steel case was also forbidden unless they sold it to you, and the owner was generally a pain in the butt with arbitrary, arcane, and changing rules popping up all the time. The last night of league, I left them the 2 boxes of S&B brass plated steel cased ammo I had been saving for a special occasion.

A few weeks later, the shop went out of business. The silent partner ended up buying the facility at auction with a new partner, and turning it into a first rate facility. I still pop in once in awhile and we have a good laugh about the guy who stepped over a dollar to make a dime and ran the old business into the ground by being a control freak in a business patronized by people who aren't big on petty tyrants.
 
Aluminum cases do not like some feed ramps, that is for sure. That can be a kaboom waiting to happen. I have shot many thousands over the years but always make sure they chamber without getting mangled before hand.

An example of a firearm that I do not use them in.

 
What do they offer for $20 per hour?

Steel targets?
Moving steel targets?
Rapid fire?
Your own bay for complex drills?

My slow fire range is $24 for the whole year.
For hardcore stuff, its $15 per hour at another range.
 
Oregon (I grew up there) has been taken over by not only the Democrat party, but the extreme left in recent years. So Oregon law may require the recycling of aluminum which puts an additional onus on the range. (By the way, I think it is nonsense to further burden the citizenry in the name of 'making life better'.)

$20.00 an hour to use a range? Gads!

Is there a Sioux Falls, Oregon? Where?
 
Seems I see all the complainers about $20.00 per hour all live out in No-Mans Land. Sadly folks here in the Populated Urban/Suburbs $20.00 her hour is about the going rate for an indoor range. Then when you add up all the costs involved in operating an indoor range even at $20.00 per hour I don't see how they are making any money.

Think about it. In an urban/suburb to operate an indoor range first you need zoning! 2nd you need a facility, either owned or rented. If owned then you pay property taxes and most likely a Business License. Then come all the Insurance requirements and other operating costs such as Gas/electric/waste removal/advertising/phone/internet/payroll. Then you have all the clowns and Dirty Harry's that want to come in and shoot up the equipment and think that's a good time.

Sorry guys but those days of going to the local farmer and asking for permission to shoot in his pit are gone at least in the general area between Chicago/Milwaukee/Madison and Rockford. Try shooting in these general areas and you will get a visit from the local Po-Po.
 
Random 8 said:
Indoor ranges are funny animals that I try to avoid. I did shoot regularly at one a several years ago. Only reason I went, was because a couple of friends relatively new to shooting talked me into their "pistol league." This was during the last stupid, and ammo was rather difficult. The range had some for sale at vastly inflated prices, and any flavor you wanted so long as it was 9mm/115gr loaded by some remanufacturer that loaded it so light it wouldn't cycle a well worn Sig P226 police trade in. For the first week, they stuck to their "no outside ammo" policy. They literally required you purchase any ammo used at the range. After being informed that their primary business of renting shooting lanes would do zero revenue going forward, they relaxed this policy slightly, allowing outside ammo but factory only. I just packed all my handloads in newish factory boxes, sacrificing my brass, and they never knew the difference. Picking up range brass, even your own, was absolutely forbidden, but you could buy brass for a very cheap $10 per 100 for 9mm:what:. Aluminum, steel case was also forbidden unless they sold it to you, and the owner was generally a pain in the butt with arbitrary, arcane, and changing rules popping up all the time. The last night of league, I left them the 2 boxes of S&B brass plated steel cased ammo I had been saving for a special occasion.

A few weeks later, the shop went out of business. The silent partner ended up buying the facility at auction with a new partner, and turning it into a first rate facility. I still pop in once in awhile and we have a good laugh about the guy who stepped over a dollar to make a dime and ran the old business into the ground by being a control freak in a business patronized by people who aren't big on petty tyrants.
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What a lame range!
 
Archie said:
Oregon (I grew up there) has been taken over by not only the Democrat party, but the extreme left in recent years. So Oregon law may require the recycling of aluminum which puts an additional onus on the range. (By the way, I think it is nonsense to further burden the citizenry in the name of 'making life better'.)

$20.00 an hour to use a range? Gads!

Is there a Sioux Falls, Oregon? Where?
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We have a ammo tax in Seattle… it’s like $.05 a round, they have just 1 gun shop left and no ranges. Funny part is, people just move there business 1 small city away
 
kmw1954 said:
Seems I see all the complainers about $20.00 per hour all live out in No-Mans Land. Sadly folks here in the Populated Urban/Suburbs $20.00 her hour is about the going rate for an indoor range. Then when you add up all the costs involved in operating an indoor range even at $20.00 per hour I don't see how they are making any money.

Think about it. In an urban/suburb to operate an indoor range first you need zoning! 2nd you need a facility, either owned or rented. If owned then you pay property taxes and most likely a Business License. Then come all the Insurance requirements and other operating costs such as Gas/electric/waste removal/advertising/phone/internet/payroll. Then you have all the clowns and Dirty Harry's that want to come in and shoot up the equipment and think that's a good time.

Sorry guys but those days of going to the local farmer and asking for permission to shoot in his pit are gone at least in the general area between Chicago/Milwaukee/Madison and Rockford. Try shooting in these general areas and you will get a visit from the local Po-Po.
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You can just go into town and shoot real people for free. Just make sure to dress properly so you get away with it. No red hats. And it pays to do it near the gunshot sensing and triangulation devices. They are used for strategic coffee breaks, not crime prevention.

Modern problems require modern solutions.

Kidding. Come on over to Ohio, we always have room for gun owners.
 
When I lived in LA there were only three places you could shoot; indoor ranges, drive up into the hills or out to the desert, or drive around the ghetto shooting. Needless to say, I did a lot of indoor range shooting. Most ranges were good and allowed you to police your own brass and some allowed rifles. The last one I used had a electrically controlled entry hall (outside door opened and you went into a short hall with a window slot, like a bank teller uses, and they looked at your guns. First door closed and locked and the second door opened any you walked into the main store/check in area). Another double door set up lead to the shooting area. I shot a lot of hot 44 Magnum handloads and only got looks from other shooters and smiles from the ROs. IIRC it was called LAX Shooting Range... But one range I went to would only allow you to shoot ammo they sold you, either factory or their reloads. I didn't even unpack my guns and just left....
 
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kmw1954 said:
Seems I see all the complainers about $20.00 per hour all live out in No-Mans Land. Sadly folks here in the Populated Urban/Suburbs $20.00 her hour is about the going rate for an indoor range. Then when you add up all the costs involved in operating an indoor range even at $20.00 per hour I don't see how they are making any money.

Think about it. In an urban/suburb to operate an indoor range first you need zoning! 2nd you need a facility, either owned or rented. If owned then you pay property taxes and most likely a Business License. Then come all the Insurance requirements and other operating costs such as Gas/electric/waste removal/advertising/phone/internet/payroll. Then you have all the clowns and Dirty Harry's that want to come in and shoot up the equipment and think that's a good time.

Sorry guys but those days of going to the local farmer and asking for permission to shoot in his pit are gone at least in the general area between Chicago/Milwaukee/Madison and Rockford. Try shooting in these general areas and you will get a visit from the local Po-Po.
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Isn't most shooting done from auto, in the streets of Chi-town?


J/K

Indoor ranges ranges around OKC are $20/HR, too.

There is an outdoor, long range, range charging $35. The owner stands nearby and tells you what you are doing wrong.
I went once.

Another outdoor range is $30 per range used.
Paper target sight in, steel gong, bench rest
Never been there.
 
Sorry folks but I just don't see the Humor in the JUST KIDDING comments. There is nothing KIDDING in talking about shooting people.
 
Chicago's gun control is a huge joke, and while there is no "humor" in people being shot, it is ironic paradoxical and satirical. I don't think the "Just Kidding" posts are making jokes about human lives. Relax...
 
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