Anti-2A Biz Beware! Rally at Your Local Mall !

[drjoker]

Hi,

I just discovered the website: http://www.Texas3006.com . Anyways, it seems like more and more businesses are popping up these 30.06 signs. This is a violation of our constitutional rights. Remember the adage, "United we stand, divided we fall?" Well, I invite you to write a letter to the management of your local mall (Macerich, Inc), threatening that your family will to do this year's Christmas shopping elsewhere if they do not tear down their 30.06 signs and replace them with "the unlicensed possession of a firearm is a felony" signs. The reason for the "unlicensed possession of a firearm is a felony" sign is so that they can "save face" in front of their liberal customers (that way they'll keep all customers and remain profitable, the goal of all corporations). An avalanche of snail mails will really get their attention. Please write to:

Macerich, Inc Mall Management address:

Arthur M. Coppola
Macerich
401 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 700
Santa Monica, CA 90401-1452

Also, write to major retailers at the mall such as JC Penney to have them pressure mall management as they do not want to lose business:
Myron E. Ullman III
JC Penney
6501 Legacy Drive
Plano, Texas 75024 - 3698

Please keep the letters short and to the point. For example, this is what I will write;

Dear Mr. Coppola, I respectfully request that you remove all the 30.06 signs in front all your malls, especially my local mall, XYZ Mall. My family will not be doing any Christmas shopping at establishments that do not show support for our constitutional rights and therefore will not shop at XYZ Mall this holliday season if the signs are not removed promptly. After you replace those 30.06 signs with signs that say, "The UNLICENSED carrying of a handgun on these premises is illegal," then we will resume shopping at XYZ Mall. Thank you, (my name).

Dear Mr. Ullman, I respectfully request that you pressure Mr. Coppola of Macerich to remove all 30.06 signs in front of the malls that they manage with a JC Penney's in it, especially my local mall, The XYZ Mall. My family will not be doing any Christmas shopping at establishments that do not show support for our constitutional rights and therefore will not shop at XYZ Mall this holliday season if the signs are not removed promptly. After you replace those 30.06 signs with signs that say, "The UNLICENSED carrying of a handgun on these premises is illegal," then we will resume shopping at JC Penney. Thank you, (my name).

Also, be sure to call and ask to speak with the property manager of your local Macerich managed mall: http://www.macerich.com/static/files/documents/pdfs/PropertyListingBrochure_09.pdf
Again, just keep it short and sweet. Just politely tell him that you've shopped there in the past, but will refuse to do so this Christmas if they don't remove the 30.06 signs to show support for constitutional rights.

You might be surprised to find that if we were to write letters to different mall management companies, then our efforts would be too scattered to do any good. That's why we should only write to Macerich managed malls and JC Penney so that we'll concentrate our letters in one place for maximum effect. Please refer to this map for a Macerich operated mall near you:
http://www.macerich.com/static/files/documents/pdfs/PropertyListingBrochure_09.pdf Macerich manages malls in 18 states; AZ, CA, CO, CT, IL, IN, IA, KY, MD, MT, NJ, NY, OR, SD, TX, UT, VA, and WA.

Thanks,


P.S. I chose the mall as our rallying point because it is the most effect for the least amount of letters/phone calls (& work) since liberating the mall would essentially liberate over 100 businesses with just 2 letters written and one telephone call per person.

 

[Flintknapper]

I know this is "well meaning" but it is NOT your "Constitutional Right" to bear arms anywhere you want.

I've had my CHL for 13 years (Texas) and understand your concerns/frustrations, but private businesses have the right to refuse entry/service to just about anyone for just about any reason.

I am glad to see you taking a stand for CHL's and agree with your effort to contact these people and let them know they are losing business over their stance.

I suggest you amend your letter however.....to omit the C/R part....as it is not applicable in this case.

 

[bdickens]

More and more businesses are popping up these 30.06 signs? I can count on one hand all the legit 30.06 signs I've seen around here. Not even hippie dippie Whole Foods or Starbucks has one.

Definitely write the letter, though. Include an anecdote or some statistics that demonstrate the value of CHLs. The Texas DPS keeps record on conviction rates for CHL holders vs. the rest of the population.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Down south of Fort worth I have yet to see a 30-06 sign any where other than the State,County and city offices. Shoot not even my PO has any signs.

 

[drjoker]

Free Holster Giveaway !!!

Due to a lack of response, I will be giving away a free USA HANDMADE LEATHER HIP HOLSTER in a drawing for all those who write letters. In order to qualify for the free holster, write 2 letters (one for JC Penney and one for the mall management) with a word processor and print them out. Be sure to sign the letter with a pen. Then, cut and paste the letters into this thread by posting your letters. I will randomly draw one person one week from now to win the holster. The winner will be drawn from a pool of posters on this forum, the Texas CHL forum, and the Defensive Carry forum. You may only enter into the contest once. You may not enter once at each of the three forums. After you win, I will PM and tell you where to mail a signed sworn statement that states you really wrote and mailed off 2 letters plus either made a phone call or sent an email. After I receive this, I will mail you the free holster. If you are a woman, instead of a hip holster, you may send me your purse with a broken shoulder strap and I will fix it and install a holster in it. Please do not send me a new purse as some designer purses cost over $1000 and I do not want to be responsible for that. I will even customize the purse or holster with your initials or name (if your name isn't too long, I can do "John or Jane Smith" but I cannot do "Edelbringen Wyzinski Petrovosky", though EWP is O.K.). I can even engrave custom patterns or floral prints on it, if you want. Winner will be announced here on the forum. Sorry, there is not a picture of the holster/purse as it will be CUSTOM MADE. A pic of the holster/purse will be posted on here after it is finished and ready to ship to the lucky winner. I invite you to start writing those letters now and fight for your constitutional rights!



P.S. the holster will fit a medium size automatic or snub nosed revolver such as a Glock 19 or Charter Arms Pink Lady.

Flintknapper: you are right, I've changed the wording of my letter. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[drjoker]

Stepping it up a notch....

OK, due to non-response, I'll step it up a notch. The first person who posts a copy of their letters will get a holster. Subsequent posters will get a dice roll and if the dice hits snake eyes (2 ones) then I'll mail you a holster. I will give away a minimum of 1 holster and a maximum of 2 holsters.

C'mon, y'all! Political apathy is what got us 0bama, socialism, arms control, and moral decline. I invite you to get writing, Now! (thanks)

 

[drjoker]

TimM just wrote a letter, so he's getting a holster. Keep writing and I'll keep rolling the dice to see if anyone else is getting a holster.

TimM's post:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=483051

P.S. If any of you guys want to help, I invite you to post here an offer to randomly pick a person who writes letters and give this person a prize, such as a gun (by legal means such as FFL to FFL) or some gun product or perhaps you could give away an NRA membership (it comes with a neat gun magazine subscription).

 

[Yo Mama]

I know this is "well meaning" but it is NOT your "Constitutional Right" to bear arms anywhere you want.

:banghead:

Uh.....what about that, "Shall not be infringed" part? What do you think the founding fathers were saying? I think they were pretty fricking clear, shall not be infringed, in any way, in any manner, in any thought process, and in any area of society. They didn't say, unless it's government or private property, ect......, nope they said SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Seems like we have forgotten this when politicians want votes and make schools and malls the deadliest places to go to now a days.

It IS my Constitutional right to bear arms anywhere I want.

 

[Blackbeard]

It IS my Constitutional right to bear arms anywhere I want.

Except when it violates a landowner's constitutional right to prohibit it on his land.

 

[JellyJar]

I used to live in the Houston, TX area and at that time Sharpstown mall was posted with 30.06 signs. Are they still there if anyone knows? The mall is in financial trouble so perhaps they removed them to increase business.

 

[TexasRifleman]

What mall is being referenced in the OP? None of the malls around me have the sign.

Uh.....what about that, "Shall not be infringed" part? What do you think the founding fathers were saying? I think they were pretty fricking clear, shall not be infringed, in any way, in any manner, in any thought process, and in any area of society. They didn't say, unless it's government or private property, ect......, nope they said SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

That isn't remotely correct.

The Second Amendment is in the Constitution and it DOES most certainly only apply to government.

I can violate your First Amendment rights all I want to, and you can violate mine.

What you describe would be more along the lines of a "civil right protection" but for the moment firearm owners are not considered a "protected class' under the Civil Rights Act, and probably never will be. Not even sure it's a good idea but that's another thread somewhere else sometime.

This forum isn't the right place for debate but this isn't really a debate, it's quite clear.

It IS my Constitutional right to bear arms anywhere I want.

No, it's not.

 

[drjoker]

Reply to Flintknapper

Reply to Flintknapper:
Yes, business owners can set the rules about what they allow and not allow on their private property. Yes, they can legally infringe your right to bear arms on their private property. But, is it right for them to do so? For example, it is perfectly legal to run a business that excludes racial minorities. However, is it right? Businesses that operate as a private club such as a country club and some bars sometimes exclude racial minorities. Didn't Martin Luther King protest this in the 60's? Some people are very politically active. That's why we have affirmative action (or what I call reverse discrimination) today. And, by the lack of response to this thread (nobody has posted any letters here!), that is the reason we're losing our 2nd amendment rights. Other than myself, who has written their mall? Who has written their legislators?

For example, if a business that operates as a private club such as Costco's or Sam's Club put up a big sign that says, "Not White, Not Allowed Inside," they'd get hit with massive demonstrations and an avalanche of letters. However, put up a 30.06 sign banning guns and... no protest at all!

The future of our constitutional rights are in JEOPARDY big time! But what have YOU DONE? Your forefathers died for those rights, but what have YOU done to defend them? The number of people who are in the "gun culture" are dwindling, so what have you done to promote the shooting sports to young 'uns? I just donated $250 to the Friends of the NRA a couple weeks ago. They promote youth shooting sports in my area. The number of minorities and immigrants are increasing and they usually come from countries where firearms are prohibited, hence they are scared to death of guns. Have you made friends with a minority and taught him/her how to shoot? Just the other day, I took this African American student I met at a local Kinko's copy shop (he's an immigrant from Africa who recently became a naturalized citizen) to the range and taught him gun safety and how to shoot. I paid for his range fees, rented him a gun, and bought the expensive ammo for him to shoot. Have you done something like this to promote shooting or hunting with a racial minority or immigrant? Depending only on the white vote is a sure way to lose the next election. I mean, hello people, in case you haven't noticed our president is not white. We have to woo more minorities to join us or our cause will be doomed. We have to get politically active and write a flurry of letters and hold peaceful demonstrations whenever our 2nd amendment rights are infringed. Fail to do so and our cause will be doomed. We must pass on the shooting sports to our kids and our neighbors' kids or we will be doomed. If you don't believe that can happen here, I invite you to look as Australia. They have a frontier history with many people owning firearms (similar to our history), but a liberal administration took away their basic human right to defend themselves from harm.

Why am I so passionate about our 2nd amendment rights? Not because I like guns, but because I love my bill of rights and freedom and liberty. If they can take away one right on the bill of rights, what's to stop them from taking away all my other rights tomorrow? As one free man to another, I invite you to WRITE THOSE LETTERS OF PROTEST NOW! I'm giving away free holsters! What are you waiting for?!

P.S. another poster said that he didn't know which mall I'm referring to. I am referring to YOUR local mall (whatever one that may be) that has a "no guns" sign posted (30.06 if you're in Texas, some other sign if you live elsewhere).

 

[Dannix]

To those who think it's the option of a private owner admitting the pubic:

Do you think No Jews, No Blacks, No Asians .... Nazi-like signs are acceptable?! I sure hope not. Just as constitutional (or not so!) as no gun signs. Please think about it.

Back on topic - what specific malls are you talking about? Would only make you like like a nut sending letters of disappointment/outrage/etc. to businesses without the sign.

 

[drjoker]

Reply to Dannix:

Dannix:
I am writing to my local mall that has a 30.06 or no guns sign. My local Mall is Valley View Mall in Dallas. However, I invite you to write the mall closest to you that has a no guns sign. In my original post, I even posted the website of a mall management company that manages malls in 18 states (AZ, CA, CO, CT, IL, IN, IA, KY, MD, MT, NJ, NY, OR, SD, TX, UT, VA, and WA). This company is called Macerich and they manage my local gun banned mall. I bet that any mall that they manage in your neighborhood also has a gun ban sign. Here is their website again: http://www.macerich.com/static/files/documents/pdfs/PropertyListingBrochure_09.pdf. Go to your local mall and see if they have a no gun sign posted. If they do, then write them, especially if the mall is managed by Macerich. Why am I picking on Macerich? It is because if we concentrate our efforts with JC Penney and Macerich then it will be more effective. If we all wrote one letter to different malls then each mall would only get 1 letter, but if we all wrote Macerich, then they may get thousands of letters. It is hard to ignore 1000 letters blocking entrance to your office.

P.S. Please look on the PDF documented 3 times here in this thread to see the nearest Macerich mall, go there and verify that they are indeed a gun ban mall, and write them. Thanks y'all.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Down south of Fort worth I have yet to see a 30-06 sign any where other than the State,County and city offices. Shoot not even my PO has any signs.

30.06 signs do not apply to any of those locations.

Reply to Flintknapper:
Yes, business owners can set the rules about what they allow and not allow on their private property. Yes, they can legally infringe your right to bear arms on their private property. But, is it right for them to do so?

According to the law, yes, it is right if they so choose.

P.S. Macerich also manages North Park Mall in Dallas and last time I heard, they also have a 30.06 gun ban sign (please correct me if I'm wrong since it has been years since I've been there due to their ban).

BULL HOCKEY!

I have been going to North Park for years (since the 1980s in fact) and know of no such signage anywhere. In fact, according to the pdf document link you keep providing, North Park is not listed. They only list 3 properties in Texas and North Park is not one of them. Don't you read the material yourself? Apparently not.

Did you bother checking the North Park web site for information on who manages them? Apparently not. Instead, you are on such a tirade that you have been blinded from responsibly reporting information correctly and have completely misrepresented a business (North Park). According to the North Park web site, North Park is managed by Managed by a family-owned company, North Park Management Co. http://www.northparkcenter.com/history.html

This is why fanatical actions are frightening.

So, if Macerich manages 2 malls in Dallas and they both ban LEGALLY LICENSED HANDGUN CARRY, then I'm safe to assume that all other Macerich malls are gun banned malls, too. Please look on the PDF documented 3 times here in this thread to see the nearest Macerich mall, go there and verify that they are indeed a gun ban mall, and write them.

Maybe other THR members won't make the same blunder you have and will actually check first. Not only do you not read your own material, but you didn't go to the mall to verify as you say others should do, did you?

 

[Robert]

I know you are going to hate to hear this but the Constitution only says that the Gov't will not infringe on your rights.

Do you think No Jews, No Blacks, No Asians .... Nazi-like signs are acceptable?! I sure hope not. Just as constitutional (or not so!) as no gun signs.

Anti- Discrimination laws are not in the Constitution, they are part of the Federal Code. I do not believe such signs are acceptable but that is based or my morals not the Constitution. A private business owner can toss you out for expressing your 1st Amendment right just as easily as your 2nd, because the Constitution does not apply to the private business owner. The Constitution is simply a contract between the Government and the people.

 

[Yo Mama]

That isn't remotely correct.

The Second Amendment is in the Constitution and it DOES most certainly only apply to government.

I can violate your First Amendment rights all I want to, and you can violate mine.

What you describe would be more along the lines of a "civil right protection" but for the moment firearm owners are not considered a "protected class' under the Civil Rights Act, and probably never will be. Not even sure it's a good idea but that's another thread somewhere else sometime.

The Second Amendment is actually in the Bill of Rights, but thats splitting hairs. If it only applied to Government, how would our founders guarentee our right to keep and bear arms? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but it looks like you are saying the Government is the only entity who has this right?

Also, if you decide to violate my 1st, there is a quick lawsuit that would be easy to win. This is why it is a guarenteed right, with recourse. You have no right to limit my 1st and I have no right to limit yours.

As far as protected class I believe we figured that our with Heller. It is an individual right, not a right of Government. Hence, I don't want my rights infringed and they can't be infringed.

 

[Robert]

Also, if you decide to violate my 1st, there is a quick lawsuit that would be easy to win.

Under what law? Where in any law does it say that I can not ask you to leave my store because I do not like what you are saying or the way you are saying it? Where in the Constitution does it say that your rights will not be infringed upon by another citizen. It most certainly says that the Government will not infringe upon, and we all know how that went, but it makes no mention of private citizens or property. If any of this were truly unconstitutional then we would not be talking about writing letters, lawsuits would have already been drafted. If you are on my property and I ask you to leave because you are open carrying and you refuse then you are trespassing and now it is you are that in violation of the law.

 

[Justin]

The Second Amendment is actually in the Bill of Rights, but thats splitting hairs. If it only applied to Government, how would our founders guarentee our right to keep and bear arms? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but it looks like you are saying the Government is the only entity who has this right?

Constitutional understanding: You fail at it.

The Bill of Rights is a very specific list of things which THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is prohibited from infringing on. You have no more of a "right" to carry a firearm on someone else's private property than I do to come to your house and give an extemporaneous political speech in your living room.

This is not to say that you cannot undertake activities to change the actions of a private property owner. If you don't like the way a guy runs his store, you're free to boycott the store, tell others to avoid shopping there, and to let the store owner know why you will not be a patron in his place of business.

However, none of that has anything to do with prohibiting you from exercising a right. It's his property, he can do with it as he wishes (within the limits of the laws as they currently exist.) If he doesn't want gun owners carrying on his property, your rights have not been violated. After all, no one is forcing you to shop there.

 

[LubeckTech]

Is it the store owners/management that are the problem or their insurance carriers forcing them to post the signs?? An insurance carrier who is anti-gun, over cautious or just plain stupid could either refuse to insure (or charge a higher rate on) a property which permitted concealed carry. Many times company policies are not the ideas of the companies but instigated by the insurance carriers as a way to reduce POSSIBLE claims or to get out of paying a claim should the company fail to comply with the insurer's wishes.
Either way the best stragety to approach these businesses is to boycott them and let them know why you are boycotting them. Plus let them know that not only will you not shop there you will urge your friends and family not to shop there. Point out that by posting a sign that firearms are not allowed they are creating a UNSAFE condition on their property as they are pointing out to prospective armed robbers and nutcases that there are no firearms present there by encouraging a robbery/attack. Another point is CCW holders are trained, law abiding citizens who have undergone a backround check and there have been no accidents or injuries resulting from permit holders carrying guns - if possible let them know the approximate number of permit holders in your area. A lot of people can be swayed the wrong way by hearing only the anti-gun alarmist agruments because they don't think things thru and will change their minds when presented with the facts. If they feel they are losing partons in this weak economy there is a big incentive to take down the signs.

 

[drjoker]

Double_Naught_Spy

Double_Naught_Spy:
Like I said, "correct me if I'm wrong," as in I'm not sure about North Park Mall and I stand corrected. Thank you. I had probably mistaken the 30.06 at the AMC there for the entire mall. That's why I'm not writing to North Park Mall, because I wasn't sure of its status since it's been awhile since I've been there. That's why my letters are to Valley View Mall and not North Park.

I spotted this thread about AMC theaters http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=351858&highlight=30.06+theater and how we are upset that they've posted "no guns" signs in all their theaters (again, correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't been to all the AMCs in America, I am just quoting a poster on the thread and it seems plausible). It's really funny how we are afraid to protest for our rights due to fear that we may be breaking the law if we're picketing without a license. You know, if AMC posted a "not white, no entry" sign, there'd be at least 1000 minority protesters camped out 24/7 untill they tear it down and they sure as heck won't care if they are picketing without a license. As a matter of fact, if you are picketing less than a certain number of people (I forget the number in Plano and every city is probably different on this number), you don't need a license to picket. You are not breaking the law as long as you are not blocking traffic nor over this number. But I digress. My point is, we're chicken and lazy and that's why we're slowly but surely losing our rights in this country. If we were all as enthusiastic about protesting for our rights as Charlton Heston, we would not be losing our rights.

Some of y'all seem kinda angry, but I'm not angry. I have my hand outstretched to shake yours and I'm humbly inviting you to join the cause to defend our rights in our country. I invite you to write your letters, sign 'em with an ink pen, and post a copy of them here.



P.S. Double Naught Spy: Please note that this is NOT a racial issue. I'm just comparing how if a similar situation arose, there'd be a LOT more protesters. No, I'm not criticizing you nor anyone else, if you'll notice, I said that "WE... are lazy". "WE" includes myself. If anything, I am faulting myself for not doing enough. I keep going over the last election and wonder, maybe if I donated more money, maybe if I had volunteered more, maybe..... Even though you are hostile to me and told me to "shut up," I will refuse to be hostile to you. You might be surprised to find that we need to help each other out as a united front or we will lose our fight for our constitutional rights. And if I am "Quixotic" and idealistic for believing that we, the United States of America, the last great bastion of liberty and freedom could stave off the socialist and statist tide that has already swept over all the world's nations through peaceful letters and protest, then, Yes, I am guilty as charged.

You said that CHL holders are a minority and because of that, protest will not work. That's the fault I find with 2nd amendment protesters. They are phrasing their argument as GUN OWNERS' RIGHTS. Nobody cares about gun owners' rights. I personally own NO GUNS (my wife made me give them all away). However, everyone cares about CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Phrasing the argument like this will get anyone who cares about freedom and liberty to protest, not just CHL holders. Now, remember, this is NOT a racial statement that I'm about to make. I am just comparing our situation with a parallel set of protesters. For example, during the 60's, the protesters were NOT protesting for Blacks' rights, they were protesting for HUMAN RIGHTS and how ALL HUMAN beings should be treated equally under the law in order for there to be liberty. That's why many whites (such as Charlton Heston, my hero) protested alongside blacks, because the argument was for HUMAN RIGHTS not BLACKS' RIGHTS.

I am not using this forum not to "whine" but to spark a light bulb in everyones' head a realization that we must rephrase our argument as one for CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS in order to garner popular support. We must promote the shooting sports with the young 'uns. We must promote the shooting sports with minorities and immigrants. Before we can plan protests and take action, we must all collectively, suddenly, come to a realization that something MUST be done.

LubeckTech: Yes, I agree, I am boycotting them and I am letting them know with my letters, why I am boycotting them. You are preaching to the choir, here, brother.

 

[Yo Mama]

The Bill of Rights is a very specific list of things which THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is prohibited from infringing on.

Exactly!

Hence the Governement should not be able to regulate where I can and can't excersize my rights!

You have no more of a "right" to carry a firearm on someone else's private property than I do to come to your house and give an extemporaneous political speech in your living room.

Define private property. I feel the founders were very clear on your rights on your property, but hasn't this definition been used a bit loosely?

You have venues that are privately owned but were built using tax payer dollars. Schools, malls, sporting venues, ect....

After all, no one is forcing you to shop there.

And I don't. I also let them know that they are taking my right to defense away while shopping in their stores.

 

[archigos]

I think there's one benefit to living in a unconstitutional state like NY... those of us that do have our permits are able to go about our lives relatively unfettered by nonsense like this simply because the anti-gun morons here are too ignorant to realize that some people actually do wish to be able to defend themselves and their family. Outside of amusement parks (where there is a long list of items that are prohibited) or state run facilities, I have never seen a sign stating that self-defense is not permitted on a property in New York.

 

[Robert]

You have venues that are privately owned but were built using tax payer dollars. Schools, malls, sporting venues, ect....

Well if it is privately owned this I guess that answers the question. Is the store in question run with or was it built with public money and if so how much?
drjoker, I am not angry. I just get so very tired of this "my rights above all others" argument. This argument is not support by the law or the Constitution.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Right. If you don't want your rights infringed on somebody else's private property, then don't spend time on somebody else's private property.

You know, if AMC posted a "not white, no entry" sign, there'd be at least 1000 minority protesters camped out 24/7 untill they tear it down and they sure as heck won't care if they are picketing without a license.

drjoker, I really think you are fighting the wrong dragon. However, since you want to make this a racial issue, just how much political and economic clout do all the non-white minorities have? Combined, they have more than do the whites. That is a LOT of power.

Now let's look at CHL holders. This data is 1-2 years old, but I don't believe the percentages of changed significantly. With 289000 CHL holders, the potential seems significant for boycotting to work. However CHL holders only comprise about 1.2% of the Texas population.

Of course, of that 289,000, how many are going to protest at a Dallas mall? Well, according to applications, Dallas County gets about 7.5% of the total applications of the state, so let's say that Dallas County has about 21,675 CHL holders. TxDPS used to provide that information, but doesn't seem to anymore on their website, hence the estimation.

Of those 21,675, how many of them do you think are vigilant about the issue? They would be those persons who regularly carry and who pay attention to signage.

How many shop at the malls in question? We know from this forum and others that a lot of vigilant gun carriers avoid malls.

Of those that carry regularly and frequent the malls, how many are willing to give up whatever it is that the malls have to offer? Of those, how many have the time and inclination to actually protest?

So we are down to who? You? Where is your YouTube video of your great mall protest? I haven't seen images of you picketing. You said we are chicken and lazy. Well, put up or shut up. How about you lead by example? Whining on a gun board really doesn't cut it.

However, like I said, you are fighting the wrong dragon. You are pulling a Don Quixote of sorts. You are faulting businesses for operating within the law and wanting to charge them like windmills, pretending they are the dragons. The dragons are in places like Austin and Washington, where the laws are made, and they aren't windmills even if they contain windbags.

Expecting business to conform to the whims of an extremist-appearing and extremely small minority when said business already in compliance with the law isn't a recipe for success. You need to work to change the law. Otherwise, you will be battling windmill after windmill and as you may recall, the windmills usually didn't lose.