Anti-gun message boards?

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It's always good to know what the other side it up to, and I know a lot of people subscribe to the Brady's mailing list for that reason. But are there many message boards dedicated to gun control? I did a brief search and found a few poorly organized ones, but nothing like the number of sites like this one, Firing Line, etc. The ones I read seemed to have a lot of emotional postings mainly composed of illogical arguments and name calling.

It seems to me the anti's aren't nearly as well organized on a grass roots level, and that got me thinking. My theory is apart from a few elitists who think they know what's best for the rest of us, most people don't get as passionate about taking a right away from someone as they do about keeping it. No matter what the reason, I think it bodes well for us.

If there are many of these, maybe we need a coordinated effort to post well thought out arguments on them. I'm thinking we won't convert any dedicated anti's, but the casual reader who browses the boards might be swayed.
 
Most of them are run by anti-gun groups with paid staffers. You won't see much traffic because their focus is so small.
Poster 1: Guns are bad lets ban them!
Poster 2: +1
End of thread.

Not much to post about and their arguments are laughable. Take a look at the Heller arguments, absolutely stunningly bad, they suck the intelligence right out of your brain. This is the best they had to offer?!

My time is best spent not engaging a paid staffer of an anti-gun group but the politicians that sometimes do pay attention to the voters. Heck we even had a swing vote in MD publicly say he changed his mind because of the emails and phone calls.
 
The lack of activisim by the antis definitely shows up on facebook. Students for Concealed Carry on Campus grows every day, with active boards and wall posts. The anti-gun groups tend to have at most a few hundred members (many of whom are pro-gun and looking to change minds) and never make any arguments. They jsut say "guns are bad! ban all guns so no one dies everrrr!" and let the group exist.
 
Democtatic Underground has a subforum on guns. I lurk there occasionally. Like you said, it never hurts to know what the other side is up to.
 
I used to think Michael Moore was a man of truth and reason :uhoh:

but i was quite fascinated by firearms and such, i found this forum on my search for info. (love the reading) and i was hit by the ray of wisdom and reason that is THR :evil:

Logic and good thinking like found here kind of rubbs off on you :)


so spreading the word might work :D
 
even democratic underground's gun area is mostly pro gunners. Occasionally one of the liberal retards from the other 95 percent of their forums walks in and says something stupid before getting mercilessly attacked. If I remember correctly, there is one person on there from another country (it was UK, Canada or AU) who posted 99 percent of the anti-gun nonsense. The rest of the people took turns debunking her.

They ban people for saying anything that sounds like sympathy for conservative views or (god forbid) construed as criticism of the Democrat party. For liberals, they have an awfully narrow view of free speech.
 
I don't subscribe to anti mailing lists, magazines, etc. In doing so you may go on their list of "supporters" that is used when they approach politicians. I do, however, visit their sites occasionally to keep abreast of their plans. I just don't register on any of them.
 
The Democratic Underground gun forum is interesting. Mostly pro RKBA's from what I could tell. The anti stuff was pretty thing, usually clocking in at 1 line or less. How's that for intelligent arguments. Methinks some people from here go there as well.....
 
even democratic underground's gun area is mostly pro gunners. Occasionally one of the liberal retards from the other 95 percent of their forums walks in and says something stupid before getting mercilessly attacked. If I remember correctly, there is one person on there from another country (it was UK, Canada or AU) who posted 99 percent of the anti-gun nonsense. The rest of the people took turns debunking h
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I've been to the DU a few times to see the gun forum and also they have a outdoor section. I think I know the ones you are talking about. One is supposed to be a lawyer in Canada and there are two others I see running anti gun proganda. They actually try to assume they are more intelligent and morally superior to gun owners. I have say though, they have quite a few pro gun people there and they do not back down one bit. Even the other forums on DU know any anti gun posting will be countered, quite fiercely I might add. I find it ironic and interesting that the most level headed people at the Democratic Underground tend to be the gun owners.
 
I think that a significant factor is that it is hard to make a hobby out of being "anti" something.

For pro gun people there is always another question, what do you think of this new model, that caliber, these new grips, etc. For those who are anti there isn't much to talk about unless you are actively organizing some type of movement, but that only requires a limited number of people dealing mostly with logistics.
 
Frankly, some of the folks have been making themselves a fairly lucrative living - I'm suspecting that the anti folks get some fairly serious donations... And I bet they also solicit a bunch...

If I was running their show, I'd hire folks to do nothing but hang on the pro-gun forums, and sow dissent... You could keep it fairly small - less than 10 or so people involved, and by using multiple computers/accounts/etc., keep it dispersed... One operator could have a dozen or more IDs on each major forum.
 
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If I was running their show, I'd hire folks to do nothing but hang on the pro-gun forums, and sow dissent... You could keep it fairly small - less than 10 or so people involved, and by using multiple computers/accounts/etc., keep it dispersed... One operator could have a dozen or more IDs on each major forum.
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It makes you think about all those x vs. x threads out there... :scrutiny:

Imagine if the antis did have an answer to THR. I suppose it would be called TheHighHorse.org. :p
 
Most of the Anti activism on the internet comes from forums populated with nanny-staters, mommies, and people for whom guns are not the focus. But some boob posts a link to a poll, and they all spam it mercilessly.
 
For pro gun people there is always another question, what do you think of this new model, that caliber, these new grips, etc. For those who are anti there isn't much to talk about unless you are actively organizing some type of movement, but that only requires a limited number of people dealing mostly with logistics.
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Exactly. This is a point I always try to make when someone gets despondent over the prevalence of anti-gunners. We have a common interest and a common ground that brings us together on a much deeper level. Is there anything you could really call the anti-gun community? What would they talk about on an anti-gun forum? Consensus would come pretty quickly that guns are bad then.... what? There wouldn't be any focus to it, and it would dilute any common purpose they had. We may be a little smaller, but we're a lot stronger.

Though it does amuse me to think of an anti-gun board with threads like:

"Which is a deadlier, more evil gun: Glock or 1911?"

"Which is a better child killer: 9mm or .45?"

"What assault rifle gives criminals the biggest advantage over our police: AK or AR?"
 
think that a significant factor is that it is hard to make a hobby out of being "anti" something.

For pro gun people there is always another question, what do you think of this new model, that caliber, these new grips, etc. For those who are anti there isn't much to talk about unless you are actively organizing some type of movement, but that only requires a limited number of people dealing mostly with logistics.
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I've been saying this as well.

They have no positive "glue" to hold a movement together. Just hate and fear.
 
"What cell phone for bears/zombies/ninjas?"
"Hey guys, I know some of you are just going to call me a 'Mall Victim' but I've got this idea for a tactical wheelbarrow that can be used to haul away my dead body after the SHTF..."
 
I tend to agree with the conclusion that others have reached that the "anti" groups have difficulty holding together because of focus. For example, someone's relative is injured/killed and they go "anti", others rally around them...for a time, but eventually tend to drift away since it wasn't them directly affected.

Those of us fighting the good fight for RKBA on the other hand, that's something we EACH own and that makes it a bit more personal for each and every one of us. That the right is embedded in a tangible, item (firearms) that most of us own pretty much "keeps it real" since we have a physical reminder present in each of our lives and with that reminder I think it's a little easier for us to keep focus and stay in the fight.
 
no, thats the problem. If you loose it and start blasting away the cellphone can't kill you!
 
Very true about the facebook anti-gun groups.

CSGV has taken to banning people who disagree with them from their groups.

For the antis, it is more of a way to collect a paycheck than a passion.

Even Ladd Everitt (DC's Million mom march director) pulled out of a debate with a college student on the board. They get scared when you post the truth.

Anecdotal stories are the best to post on their groups since they never have anything to say to them or they usually make themselves look stupid trying to respond.
 
The fact that the antis arguments are always based on emotion is exactly what concerns me. If someone feels strongly about something that can be very convincing to those who don't know enough to think critically and ask for facts. There's also the fact that they propagate lies and statistical distortions, like the infamous "three kids a day die from guns" that I still hear. The Brady Bunch doesn't tell people that the study that whopper is based on was discredited years ago.

My biggest concern is the pyschos who give the rest of us a bad name. The Virginia Tech tragedy is a good example. The media broadcasts those things repeatedly but rarely even mentions there is another side to the gun control argument, much less cover it. Therefore I feel it is the duty of every gun owner to memorize the facts that people never hear from the media. ( It seems pointless to say "the liberal media" since all the most powerful are liberal ). I didn't know guns are used more often to protect a life than to take a life until I read about it at Gun Owner's of America website. They have what I - as a new convert to the cause - found to be some astonishing facts. When I try to tell people the truth about concealed carry they say "Then why didn't I hear that on the news?" Compared to the propaganda that is spewed daily by the mass media the facts put out GOA and NRA seem to get drowned out. This is why I not only memorize the facts of the work of John Lott et al but try to publicize it in my own low budget way. For example, I like to print out "Just For Skeptics" from GOA and copy "The Armed Citizen" from NRA and post them in liberal gathering places like my local library.

There is a good book called "What you can do to preserve your gun rights" and the first thing on the to do list is "Feed Your Head."

I suspect I haven't told any of you anything you didn't know but living in a liberal state like Vermont I often feel outnumbered and that the cause is hopeless. The person in charge of Net access at the local library "accidently" crashed my terminal after I got "caught" researching 9mm hollow points.

What is CSGV?
Thanks for "listening".
 
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