Spiphel Rike
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It doesn't surprise me at all. Do anti-gunners care if they lose their right to own firearms?
ANTI GUNNERS AT CONCEALED CARRY CLASS
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JoseM
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Sounds like a PETA-style tactic...only moved over to firearms. Sounds like a terrorist...i.e. trying to install fear into people. I'm actually very shocked though....that they'd try something like this.
ctdonath
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Attempted murder.
You don't think they just wanted an accidental discharge, do you?
"Wall Damaged In CCW Class" just doesn't have the agenda-furthering impact of "Woman Killed In Gun Safety Class".
Stiletto Null
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Someone at the FLGS freaked out a little when I dropped a cylindrical object into a Mauser that was sitting on a table, for sale. He started making funny faces and stuff and spoke in alarmed tones to one of the shop owners, who in turn looked at me funny.
I popped said object out, and then everybody laughed a little because it was just a No-Go gauge.
*shrug*
Thusly did I buy an M48A.
I popped said object out, and then everybody laughed a little because it was just a No-Go gauge.
*shrug*
Thusly did I buy an M48A.
stevelyn
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Why wouldn't they?
Eco-nazis have been known to spike trees to injure loggers, burn car dealerships, developements and sabotage equipment.
PETA trash has burned labs, released lab animals, assaulted people wearing fur or animal products.
Eco-terrorists like ELF and ALF have pretty much declared war on anyone who disagrees with them and their actions have borne this out.
Why would anyone not believe that criminal mercenaries working for the Brady/VPC/MMM trash wouldn't sow hate and discontent at CCW classes, gun shows, and gun shops loading firearms in hopes of a tragedy they could exploit to further their agenda?
None of these folks are rational people like us interested in playing by the rules. To assume they are puts you at a disadvantage.
To them the ends justifies the means..........any means.
Eco-nazis have been known to spike trees to injure loggers, burn car dealerships, developements and sabotage equipment.
PETA trash has burned labs, released lab animals, assaulted people wearing fur or animal products.
Eco-terrorists like ELF and ALF have pretty much declared war on anyone who disagrees with them and their actions have borne this out.
Why would anyone not believe that criminal mercenaries working for the Brady/VPC/MMM trash wouldn't sow hate and discontent at CCW classes, gun shows, and gun shops loading firearms in hopes of a tragedy they could exploit to further their agenda?
None of these folks are rational people like us interested in playing by the rules. To assume they are puts you at a disadvantage.
To them the ends justifies the means..........any means.
I hope your class had a formal WRITTEN policy about ammo/guns, right?
First thing I would have said is you are out of the calss.. leave NOW.
If they refused an IMMEDIATE escort out (ASAP) then tell them they are tresspassing. YOu can get them on that.
If they had the gun out.... I would have smashed thier face in. Little liability for you as they had a loaded in gun in a place you deisnated as a firearms free area.
Not like the others in the class would not verify your story.
Start to videotape your classes... that would also help you with any litigation.
First thing I would have said is you are out of the calss.. leave NOW.
If they refused an IMMEDIATE escort out (ASAP) then tell them they are tresspassing. YOu can get them on that.
If they had the gun out.... I would have smashed thier face in. Little liability for you as they had a loaded in gun in a place you deisnated as a firearms free area.
Not like the others in the class would not verify your story.
Start to videotape your classes... that would also help you with any litigation.
answerguy
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Who did they point the gun at?
answerguy
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You started out making good sense.
And then it fell apart with your "smash their face comment". But at least with the video tape that you suggest their attorney won't have any trouble suing you.
geekWithA.45
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My BS detector is WAAAAY into the yellow on this one.
Well, if there is a group of gun bigots running around with mayhem on their mind, I'd certainly speak up on who it was, and to hell with their lawyers.
What...they search their purses? Make them turn out their pockets?
And furthermore, how did they know they were members of the forces of organized gun bigotry? Did they make a speech? It's always possible that someone like this _would_ make a speech, but the details would likely be interesting, and therefore transmitted along with the story.
I'm not sure where to credit the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Well, if there is a group of gun bigots running around with mayhem on their mind, I'd certainly speak up on who it was, and to hell with their lawyers.
What...they search their purses? Make them turn out their pockets?
And furthermore, how did they know they were members of the forces of organized gun bigotry? Did they make a speech? It's always possible that someone like this _would_ make a speech, but the details would likely be interesting, and therefore transmitted along with the story.
I'm not sure where to credit the benefit of the doubt on this one.
larry_minn
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I was friends with a gent who did the gun show routine. He told me that he checks EVERY gun (that he knows is unloaded) before he sets them on table. At the start of second day he CHECKS EVERY gun again (in case during night the "security" were playing with anything) Well end of second day he got kinda busy and he stuck everything in their boxes/cases and into van. He goes home and a neighbor comes over to look at this one rifle. He goes into van and pulls out case and checks chamber (out of habit) and there is a LIVE RD.
HE KNOWS he checked it at least 3x over gun show but didn't while packing up. So someone put a live rd in it.
HE KNOWS he checked it at least 3x over gun show but didn't while packing up. So someone put a live rd in it.
Zen21Tao
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Many people are calling BS speculating whether or not this alleged event really took place or not. Here is an idea taken directly from liberal legal interpretations of the law. IT DOESN'T MATTER whether or not the event happened what matters is that fact that it is imaginable. Liberal legal theories permit suing and recovering in civil cases when not party was actually injured if the conditions that COULD cause injury are present. There are definetly less than honest gun grabbers out there that have demonstrated in the past their willingness to see others injured to make their message appear more favorable.
With that said I tend to think that story is definetly possible so I will treat it, in the very least, as a hypothetically valid incident.
Notice that original poster wasn't saying he wouldn't identify the gun grabber group these women belong(ed) to. He said that they themselves wouldn't identify the group. As for a crime being commited I would say criminal mischief or reckless endangerment if it could be proved that they knew (and comprehended) that they were violating range policy and did so anyway with the intention of a ND. As for "checking" the other woman, whether the people were standing at the firing line or sitting at a table maybe all the instructors had to do to find live rounds was empty her magazine. "Checking" doesn't necessarily entail going through her personal items.
With that said I tend to think that story is definetly possible so I will treat it, in the very least, as a hypothetically valid incident.
Notice that original poster wasn't saying he wouldn't identify the gun grabber group these women belong(ed) to. He said that they themselves wouldn't identify the group. As for a crime being commited I would say criminal mischief or reckless endangerment if it could be proved that they knew (and comprehended) that they were violating range policy and did so anyway with the intention of a ND. As for "checking" the other woman, whether the people were standing at the firing line or sitting at a table maybe all the instructors had to do to find live rounds was empty her magazine. "Checking" doesn't necessarily entail going through her personal items.
I have been hearing this for many years, mostly involving gun shows and anti-gunners loading firearms with live rounds hoping for an accident.
But has it ever been proven for a fact to have actually happened? Not just "I heard" or "So and So said" or some other second hand report. These may be just more urban/Internet myths. I know the antis are pretty despicable, but would they really want to have people injured or killed just to make a political point?
Frankly, given the typical anti's knowledge on firearms, I doubt that any could A: obtain the correct ammo and B: manage to actually load the gun.
But has it ever been proven for a fact to have actually happened? Not just "I heard" or "So and So said" or some other second hand report. These may be just more urban/Internet myths. I know the antis are pretty despicable, but would they really want to have people injured or killed just to make a political point?
Frankly, given the typical anti's knowledge on firearms, I doubt that any could A: obtain the correct ammo and B: manage to actually load the gun.
Sheldon J
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Stevelyn said:
And a few years back the right to lifers in order to prove their point assanated doctors, burned and blew up business, all in the name of their cause, so just what makes anyone think the anti gunners would be any different?
Ryder
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Being a fool by subjecting yourself to idiotic rules is never mandatory. The last class I had was at a gun club. Many were there for renewal. Loaded concealed firearms were in attendance. Guess who wouldn't have been there if they'd said not to bring your own gun and ammo. Me.
I can't believe there is a law anywhere that says you have to train with a gun you won't be carrying. Some people in the classes I've attended can't even load their guns. Learning this is part of the course for them. Would they teach people how to ride a motorcycle by having them drive a car? :banghead:
larry_minn
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While not FIRST hand it was as close as you can get. The DEALER told me FTF about this.
PlayboyPenguin
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I think this falls in the urban legend catagory. I am not saying some people would not be capable of it. I just do not think it has actually happened.
GruntII
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In Alabama the charge would be reckless endangerment and the instructors would have to seek a warrant. This charge does not require intent to harm anyone just the commission of a stupid act that endangers others.
This seems like more of a violation of the terms they agreed to when they came on the property, and would be grounds for expulsion. I could only see it become arrestable when they refuse to leave (if so asked). I'm not a leagal expert, so I can't say what the legal requirement is for them to be charged with public endangerment or reckless endangerment. However, the conviction of public endangerment was dismissed in Montana fior that speeder, so there is limits.
If they are there to be open minded and learn, I encourage anti's to take gun safety courses. It could save their life or a friends.
If they are there to be open minded and learn, I encourage anti's to take gun safety courses. It could save their life or a friends.
50caliber123
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the way I see it is this: it could've happened. I've seen a lot of strange stuff. It could be heresay. People make things up. If the person telling the story is somone you trust, gives you know reason to doubt them, you should believe them. At your own risk, sometimes. I personally could believe it. Some of the arguements I've had with the anti's have led to death threats on my life. I had a good one about deer hunting recently at one of my jobs. This person is anti hunting and anti gun, and said "What if I get my friends together and we get ourselves some AK047s and start shooting hunters?" I said in response that "You better not miss because I've been shooting for a long time and I hunt with an AK variant (starting this year). You and your friends won't last ten seconds." The anti's will do anything or say anything to become a martyr to there cause. That is why I will believe this story.
Autolycus
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And a famous progunner did something just as bad. Oklahoma City Bombing was done by a pro-gun guy in the name of "Freedom".
People are willing to go to extreme limits for their beliefs. It is evidenced by the pro-lifers, extremist Muslims, extremist Christians, overzealous ATF agent etc.
While I believe this to be nothing more then hearsay as I read a lot of things on all the chat boards I go to that seem possible but improbable. A link to an article would help a lot. I can tell you about things I have heard but the fact is that until we have a verifieable source its simply a story.
I heard that pop rocks and coke will foam up in your mouth and choke you to death. It happened to this guy I know who knew this chick who worked at the morgue.
I give that story as much credence as the anti's loading guns in CCW class.
Possible, plausible, but it's probably nothing but a story.
I give that story as much credence as the anti's loading guns in CCW class.
Possible, plausible, but it's probably nothing but a story.
V4Vendetta
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"Why wouldn't they say what group?"
Because if the media did pickup on what they attempted to do, it would reflect badly on them. I think this story is true & the women involved should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment at the least.
Because if the media did pickup on what they attempted to do, it would reflect badly on them. I think this story is true & the women involved should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment at the least.
AirForceShooter
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here's my silly thought for the day.
We all join the brady bunch and then vote to disband it.
AFS
We all join the brady bunch and then vote to disband it.
AFS
GhostRider66
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Is it just me, or did this sound way funnier than it was intended to?
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